The human FOV is huge. I wouldn't expect any tech being able to fill this within the next 10–20 years.
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Vision Pro Reviews: Surprising Battery Life, 'Weird' Personas, and More
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For some people it’s a not a question of being able to afford it. The original iPhone may have been limited like any first generation product, but at least it didn’t bring on fatigue when using it.
So true. I also keep reading about VR revolution since 1990. Probably in 30 years we will still be hearing about it. The same as about AI revolution we keep hearing now😂
There should be plenty of other reviews coming out over the next few days. Some of them should be trustworthy.
Sure it is. Don't buy it if you cant afford it.
So use the VP until you feel fatigued, take a break, and use it again; for some people that may be right around the battery life. That fatigue time may be a hard limit, or it may take longer to get there as you become accustomed to it.
have you seen the iJustine review? this is the resolution you are working with
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Oh no... your hair might get messed up at home. I mean, people are always 100% groomed while at home.
And yet the seven times cheaper oculus quest 3 does a bette job than Apple at this.
I suspect at WWDC 2024 there will be a huge software update for AVP that will resolve many of these complaints. That's 4 solid months from now, that's a lot of developer time (AVP probably has its own dev team separate from the AI dev team, different skill sets).
I'm sure no one will read this part but — I wish I knew a VR engineer or someone involved in the optical part of VR. To my understanding, the engineering problem to solve is that each pixel currently emits its light rays in a range of directions. What you want is for each pixel to emit light in an instructed direction. With this, you could orchestrate the pixels to reconstruct the 3D light field that the real/virtual scene would emit, skipping the rays that would not enter your eyes. Such a display could easily curve around your face to cover the full FOV. I'll be surprised if such tech does not exist; i know similar tech exists for optical computing (controlled light bending). This approach seems vastly superior to me than stereo tricks with lens that have huge compromises. An easy way to visualize this is to imagine a real scene and its light rays which enter your eyes; coming from various spots in your field of vision at various angles, producing the left/right views. Now imagine a curved display around your head. If the display can put out the same rays as the scene, then the experience should be the same by definition. If you draw this out you'll see that it requires the display pixels to be able to send their light out at a specific angle in order to match the light field of the original scene. That is the 'new tech' part.
I'm sure no one will read this part but — I wish I knew a VR engineer or someone involved in the optical part of VR. To my understanding, the engineering problem to solve is that each pixel currently emits its light rays in a range of directions. What you want is for each pixel to emit light in an instructed direction. With this, you could orchestrate the pixels to reconstruct the 3D light field that the real/virtual scene would emit, skipping the rays that would not enter your eyes. Such a display could easily curve around your face to cover the full FOV. I'll be surprised if such tech does not exist; i know similar tech exists for optical computing (controlled light bending). This approach seems vastly superior to me than stereo tricks with lens that have huge compromises. An easy way to visualize this is to imagine a real scene and its light rays which enter your eyes; coming from various spots in your field of vision at various angles, producing the left/right views. Now imagine a curved display around your head. If the display can put out the same rays as the scene, then the experience should be the same by definition. If you draw this out you'll see that it requires the display pixels to be able to send their light out at a specific angle in order to match the light field of the original scene. That is the 'new tech' part.
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It's a mirroring a 4K screen so has anyone actually commented that the resolution is low or bad while mirroring a Mac? Patel at the Verge said he spent a lot of time editing LR with it and he said the experience was good instead of low-res and bad.
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Surprising battery life but still not good. They really need to try aim for 8-12 hours but it's going to take time. I'm curious how the 2nd gen model will be in terms of battery life if they are going to ditch M series chips. So instead of an M3 we could get an A18. Apple should design the A series chips primarily for Vision headsets and then trickle down to iPhone Pro models.
I thought the headset was coming with a wall adapter. I know it does but you have to plug it into the battery then battery into headset. They should put out an adapter with a USB C to whatever the headset connection is called so you can bypass the battery completely.
The headset has potential but we're going to need Apple to put out a few hardware revisions to focus on battery life and weight reduction. Software still has a long way to go. We might be on Vision OS 3 or 4 before it really becomes a solid OS.
I'd like to buy one but maybe in ~5 years time. I think the line up will be something like:
Vision SE - $700-900 - this would compete with Meta's Quest and PSVR
Vision (standard numbered version) - $1,500 - this would be competition for headsets like the Meta Quest Pro and Valve Index
Vision Plus - $2,500
Vision Pro - $3,500
So yeah I'd wait until we get a standard Vision or SE model before jumping in.
I thought the headset was coming with a wall adapter. I know it does but you have to plug it into the battery then battery into headset. They should put out an adapter with a USB C to whatever the headset connection is called so you can bypass the battery completely.
The headset has potential but we're going to need Apple to put out a few hardware revisions to focus on battery life and weight reduction. Software still has a long way to go. We might be on Vision OS 3 or 4 before it really becomes a solid OS.
I'd like to buy one but maybe in ~5 years time. I think the line up will be something like:
Vision SE - $700-900 - this would compete with Meta's Quest and PSVR
Vision (standard numbered version) - $1,500 - this would be competition for headsets like the Meta Quest Pro and Valve Index
Vision Plus - $2,500
Vision Pro - $3,500
So yeah I'd wait until we get a standard Vision or SE model before jumping in.
Over on daringfireball there is an detailed and interesting review from John Gruber. He explains the thing and how everything works. When finished reading i know how he used that thing for a week, but still, and this is my problem, I don’t know WHAT exactly this device is for and WHY I should use it instead of my Mac and iDevices. I can’t see any use case and no advantage, no problem this device solves.
I think the end goal is for it to replace those devices. Instead of buying a Mac or iPhone you get a headset. Still a long way to go before it can do that though.
iPhone replaced the iPod, dumb phone, and in a way laptops/desktops for majority of people. I'm not saying Macs or iPhones will disappear but the headset could replace them for most people.
Despite having a nice MacBook Pro I find my self using my iPad Pro more frequently because I enjoy using it more.
I also enjoyed my first Powerbook 140 — because it was just so much better than anything I had before. And hell yes! I could go travelling with it. Work in a hotel. All those things made my life better and I was more productive.
I loved my 1st gen iPod because it allowed me to ditch my mini discs and gave me — what was it? — 5,000 songs in my pocket. It was ace!
1st Gen iPhone? I queued up for it on its UK release. Excited like a teenage school boy. Loved it and squeezed every possible use out of its not very capable 1st iteration… but it was brilliant.
So, 1st gen AVP?
No. I don't get it and I don't see how it is going to improve any part of my life or work.
Affordability has zero to do with this, so you're barking up the wrong tree there.
100% Agree.
Uh there’s a massive difference between having something small stuck in your ears and wearing a massive screen over your face that protects creepy looking digital eyes.
That comparison just doesn’t hold water.
Some people will find value in it, or simply enjoy using it, others wont.
I'm not barking up any tree, let alone the one you think I am.
I agree. This is a good stake in the ground for Apple. No - it's not perfect, but what first-gen product is?
The Personas will be sharpened up and appear more lifelike in the visionOS 2 at WWDC. We'll also see a host of other software improvements there, too. Who knows, maybe even folders on the home screen lol.
Hardware-wise, this product is a technological marvel. But it's obviously a little too bulky based on the feedback we've seen so far, so Apple will want to slim it down quickly. I suspect they're pulling out all the stops to iterate and have a second-gen Vision Pro (or Vision Air - without the EyeSight tech) on sale in 2025. I'm aiming to be a Vision owner at that point!
The AI on Android handsets is really useful, screen calling calling shops and restaurants from Google maps, hell call screening is more than Siri can do and will ever do at this rate. Apple got left in the dust so yes Pixel 8 and Samsung 24 make the current iPhone look dull, who needs all that compute power when its not used for anything useful, phones are not just about cameras which bores me as I want a phone not a camera with a phone on it, although Samsung cameras are good ironically after hating on cameras. Sadly thats all that changes year to year, but the good ship AI has taken off without Apple.
Now with Apple crying that the EU store will leave iPhones 'vulnerable' it shows iOS and iPhones are no more secure out of Apples walled garden than any other phone out there, sad but true. May as well go by an android phone that does useful things because I'm fed up of having a tablet that cant run real Firefox or uBlock origin, same with iPhones I want more than webkit skins, give me what I have on my mac. <sigh>
He was eluding to watching porn and how Apple vision still needs to see your hands to function. The potential hand action could cause incorrect inputs.
Is everyone following this major miss by Apple? Similar to airplane mode there needs to be porn mode for certain users.
Information can only be presented to a person. If they choose to ignore it, who are we to try and force them to take notice?
Other people's eyes and necks are not my problem. Frankly, they can knock themselves out!
Its already easy read mails and browse with your ipad. Strapping a headset on first, to do that, doesn’t make it better. Strap on, read mails, strap off. Strap on, read news, strap off. Most people forget HOW we use our devices. We take them hundreds of times during the day to do small things. You don’t run around with the Vision on your head all day.