Vivo Unveils Screen-Embedded Fingerprint Sensor Technology at MWC2017 Shanghai

[sunapple]

Even though Apple have done nothing to encourage the talk of under screen fingerprint sensing in the next iPhone I still think, given this announcement, that it would be of significant embarrassment to Apple if they did not include this in the next model.

There are a few questions for Apple here though and I suspect there are high level meetings going on about this at the moment.

Do they continue to struggle along to produce their own in house technology to achieve this?

Or, alternatively, do they very quickly kiss and make up with Qualcomm to use these sensors?

Finally, whichever approach they take, are they prepared to delay the release of the new iPhone to perfect this technology?

No matter the route they choose for implementation, I hope the answer to that final question is, "Yes", they will delay.

Maybe it's less embarrassing to develop it in-house for 2018 instead of asking Qualcomm for help. But you're asking valid questions. It's all based on speculation, so of course it won't matter a whole lot until we actually see the final product.

Fingerprint readers are a key technology for authentication, but there are also some great leaps in facial recognition which could alternatively be included with the new iPhone. If the future is VR/AR interfaces on glasses and the like, face recognition makes more sense than fingerprint readers. I still like both on my phone for now though.

 

[HappyMBAowner]

i still believe these are not as safe to protect your personal info as a 4 or 6 digit code. If a thief wants to access your info. all they'll have to do is knock you out, put your finger on the device and here we go. They'll be able to steal all your information, empty your bank account, etc...

 

[Jsameds]

i still believe these are not as safe to protect your personal info as a 4 or 6 digit code. If a thief wants to access your info. all they'll have to do is knock you out, put your finger on the device and here we go. They'll be able to steal all your information, empty your bank account, etc...

There are two types of criminals in this case. Those who will mug you for your property and those who want to steal your information.

Rarely do these demographics overlap.

Think of it like putting your passwords on a Post-It on your monitor. It's not as insecure as you may first think. A thief breaking into your house is after gear to flog for a bit of cash and has no interest in hacking email or bank accounts, and the hacker that is after your bank account will never enter your house and therefore will never even see the Post It.

 

[Jimmy Bubbles]

It may create a challenge for the companies making screen protectors....

I honestly hope that screen protectors die. They don’t give the best experience, that’s for sure.

 

[joueboy]

So there's no iPhone 8 but rather iPhone 7S on September. However, Apple will have another chance to prove that they can include this technology on iPhone 8 on September 2018. There's no way Apple can have an easy pass to Qualcomm considering their current relationship, unless their battle is staged. If Apple will actually announce this on September I would be surprised. But if they don't deliver until 2018 it's a game over unless they have something else.

 

[RobQuads]

i still believe these are not as safe to protect your personal info as a 4 or 6 digit code. If a thief wants to access your info. all they'll have to do is knock you out, put your finger on the device and here we go. They'll be able to steal all your information, empty your bank account, etc...

But equally all they have to do to someone with a 4 digit code is walk behind you and watch you put in the code which is so easy it's unreal. Then grab phone and away you go, much easier than knocking you out

 

[bobenhaus]

I think This is a Strong Sign that iPhone 8 will have touch id embedded in the display.Thanks No Rear FPS.

Yeah the problem is if Qualcomm wants to license it to Apple after all the legal stuff going on with both comapanies at the moment.

 

[GadgetBen]

Wet finger detection?!

Apple you better be on the same page, with all that money in the bank I hope so.

 

[joueboy]

Are some of those icons lifted from iOS in these mockups, or are they actually that slavishly copied in this version of Android?

Early version of Android is obviously copied from iOS. But Android started adopting flat design first then Apple followed when iOS 7 was released. FYI.
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i still believe these are not as safe to protect your personal info as a 4 or 6 digit code. If a thief wants to access your info. all they'll have to do is knock you out, put your finger on the device and here we go. They'll be able to steal all your information, empty your bank account, etc...

Yes and No. You have doors and locks in your house but a criminal always commits a crime. You can put so many laws and put more law enforcements everywhere, the thing is criminals will be criminals. The keyword there as you mentioned "if the theif wants to"...break your house, rob a bank, steal your car, hack your computer. The good news is that Apple put some extra layer of protection. But then again if you're a targeted individual there's nothing much you can do about it.

 

[Urban Joe]

Cool as this is it is still just an incremental technological improvement for a feature that many, many people could just as easily live without. Its main value, as I see it, is to provide a gimmick to push up the price on the flagships.

 

[69Mustang]

Agreed.

I think this is why some people think Apple isn't innovative. They judge these kind of prototypes against what you can go and buy from an Apple Store.

Imagine if we could see what Apple is working on.

Although I agree that debuting prototype hardware can be annoying, let's not 'misremember' history and forget this particular item was debuted as a prototype that didn't really work and had a scripted operation that made it look as if it worked.

And this particular item that was debuted before it was ready for prime time. I'd even argue this particular item still isn't ready for mass production.

Then you get to the brand new (and I am excited about) modular Mac Pro which we won't see for a long time. Point being, all companies are guilty of this, including Apple.

 

[78Bandit]

Yeah the problem is if Qualcomm wants to license it to Apple after all the legal stuff going on with both comapanies at the moment.

I don't think Apple is using Qualcomm sensors. The company they are using (I think it is LG subsidiary Innotek) likely has different tech that was developed independently from Qualcomm's solution.

 

[StevieD100]

Vivo can be the first since they need to build 50.000 products

Why Only 50,000? Why not 5,000,000? or 50,000,000?

 

[Pilgrim1099]

should arrive in commercial devices in the first half of 2018

It's vaporware.

When Apple is widely expected to announce something, competitors scramble to make it look obvious or frivolous:

You should take off your DJ 'horseblinder' headphones and get real. Something tells me that you're AFRAID of reality that Vivo is NOT vaporware. How do you know it's vaporware? Got proof? Spill it.

What you're doing is deflecting the reality of Vivo's product. Vaporware never gets to the video announcement phase. If the product is real and does exist, then they can show it off on video.

 

[MacBH928]

If you are an 80s kid like me, this stuff you only saw in movies that take place in the future...

 

[BriSpe]

Soooo....this is what they call "first". Let's do a presentation before Apple September Keynote....fast fast now.
But technology is maybe available next year....Pathetic.

I don't know why people here think that Apple have to buy this from Qualcom. You do know that Apple owns the company that developed the FPS in current iPhones, don't you? And that they are developing new FP sensors. They don't need a third party technology.

Like someone else here said: Apple would leak information by now that this in-screen FPS wouldn't happen. And instead we see part leaks with no FP on the back.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Are some of those icons lifted from iOS in these mockups, or are they actually that slavishly copied in this version of Android?

Yes. And Yes.

 

[ani4ani]

There is a difference "in first to announce" vs "first to conceptualize".

which neither word means first to commercialize? which is the one that is needed. To "conceptualize" doesn't even need anything physical to look at!

 

[mistafro]

i still believe these are not as safe to protect your personal info as a 4 or 6 digit code. If a thief wants to access your info. all they'll have to do is knock you out, put your finger on the device and here we go. They'll be able to steal all your information, empty your bank account, etc...

Or hold a gun to your head and tell you to enter the 4/6 digit password...

 

[oliversl]

Thats a really nice design!

 

[LordQ]

We all know what happens when you rush a product to beat an unreleased iPhone.

 

[JosephAW]

1 year later... Breaking news: Vivo phones are experiencing screen cracks due to high frequency bombardments. In other news users are experiencing nerve & cell damage in their fingers from an unknown radiation source.

 

[DNichter]

Yeah the problem is if Qualcomm wants to license it to Apple after all the legal stuff going on with both comapanies at the moment.

Why would they have to license it? Apple has a patent on this from a couple years ago.
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So there's no iPhone 8 but rather iPhone 7S on September. However, Apple will have another chance to prove that they can include this technology on iPhone 8 on September 2018. There's no way Apple can have an easy pass to Qualcomm considering their current relationship, unless their battle is staged. If Apple will actually announce this on September I would be surprised. But if they don't deliver until 2018 it's a game over unless they have something else.

Not sure what you're trying to say here exactly, but there will be an iPhone 8 or X or whatever it is called in September 2017. There have been all kinds of leaks with this info, we wouldn't see leaks for a product a year or more out. They also don't need anything from Qualcomm as Apple has a patent on this utility from a couple years ago. They have been working on it for some time now. And lastly, what is game over? Game over for Apple? I am not sure I understand.

 

[Zirel]

"Qualcomm Fingerprint Sensor for Display is expected to be available for OEMs to evaluate in the fourth quarter of 2017."

So, they only have evaluation units...

So either:

A) Apple has it, and they are announcing they can “do it too, just wait a couple of months”

B) Apple doesn’t has it, and they are taunting with vaporware

 

[dannyyankou]

Apple filed a patent on this a couple years ago. Hmm.