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Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

mikeo007 said:
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Not a snowballs chance in hell unless they come up with some propriety breakthrough in computing. Desktops don't suffer from the same thermal issues as laptops, so there's very little advantage to going without a dGPU. Especially with the PC gaming market ramping up.
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Sorry but you would have to state both are false, their is and will always be a market for powerful laptops with dedicated GPU's, gamers and professionals alike, they wouldn't make them if they didn't buy them. I cannot see Apple dropping the dGPU for a very long time as iGPU's are still way behind the power of dGPU's, plus they don't have any heat problems currently so I don't see the point in that comment?

Regardless I can see next years MacBook Pro's being of the same design, they seriously do NOT need to make then any thinner and drop battery performance! But they will get the new CPU's and new GPU's but who from is anyones guess, they may be the Nvidia 950m or they may be whatever AMD have out at the time, I can see memory sizes remaining the same at 16gb max, the same retina screens.

I can also see me buying one :)
 
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apolloa said:
Sorry but you would have to state both are false, their is and will always be a market for powerful laptops with dedicated GPU's, gamers and professionals alike, they wouldn't make them if they didn't buy them. I cannot see Apple dropping the dGPU for a very long time as they are still way behind the power of dGPU's, plus they don't have any heat problems currently so I don't see the point in that comment?

Regardless I can see next years MacBook Pro's being of the same design, they seriously do NOT need to make then any thinner and drop battery performance! But they will get the new CPU's and new GPU's but who from is anyones guess, they may be the Nvidia 950m or they may be whatever AMD have out at the time, I can see memory sizes remaining the same at 16gb max, the same retina screens.

I can also see me buying one :)
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They need to make them wider...as in, bring back 17"!
 
apolloa said:
Absolutely, although I am a 15" fan, I personally never understood why they dropped the 17" as plenty of poeple bought and used them, very strange decision, they could give a new 17" laptop an even more powerful dGPU and a higher res retina screen
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I think they axed it because in 2012 and even in 2013 they couldn't get a 17" 4K IPS display. They can get TN ones but IPS is more difficult. And they would need to use a 4K panel to pixel double 1920x1200 which was the 17" native resolution.

So they probably looked at it like we can't sell the same 17" notebook for 2-3 years as the high end proposition in our line up when the 15" model has a Retina display. It wouldn't make enough sense and would confuse the lineups progression.

I'm really really hoping that Apple bring the 17" back but if you look around these forums you'll see post after post where previous 17" purchasers bought the rMBP 15" and compromised because they needed a more up to date Mac. I did the same thing, sadly my experience with the rMBP wasn't so good so I'm still on my 17" after returning several rMBP 15" for various screen faults but I am intending to buy another 15" rMBP when they refresh them unless the 17" does make a surprise comeback.
 
Quu said:
I think they axed it because in 2012 and even in 2013 they couldn't get a 17" 4K IPS display. They can get TN ones but IPS is more difficult. And they would need to use a 4K panel to pixel double 1920x1200 which was the 17" native resolution.

So they probably looked at it like we can't sell the same 17" notebook for 2-3 years as the high end proposition in our line up when the 15" model has a Retina display. It wouldn't make enough sense and would confuse the lineups progression.

I'm really really hoping that Apple bring the 17" back but if you look around these forums you'll see post after post where previous 17" purchasers bought the rMBP 15" and compromised because they needed a more up to date Mac. I did the same thing, sadly my experience with the rMBP wasn't so good so I'm still on my 17" after returning several rMBP 15" for various screen faults but I am intending to buy another 15" rMBP when they refresh them unless the 17" does make a surprise comeback.
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Well considering the rumours of a 5k 27" iMac screen then I think 4k 17" screens will be a reality one day soon, they have got them down to around 24" currently.
The current 15" is more or less 3k, then we could have more or less 4k for the 17" and more or less 5k for the 27" iMac?
 
apolloa said:
Well considering the rumours of a 5k 27" iMac screen then I think 4k 17" screens will be a reality one day soon, they have got them down to around 24" currently.
The current 15" is more or less 3k, then we could have more or less 4k for the 17" and more or less 5k for the 27" iMac?
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This is what I'm hoping for. Today I think they could get a 4K IPS panel made for the 17" form factor.

The question is, if Apple saw the rMBP 15" sales increase by the same amount that the 17" MacBook Pro used to sell through then they may not bother because the rMBP 15" may have cannibalized the 17" sales negating their need to spend the man hours and money developing another 17" portable.

I'm just hoping Apple does it even for a dick wagging contest. If they came out and said this is the first 4K IPS panel in a portable (which it may well be as all their competitors are TN) that could be a way to differentiate from the other OEM's who've already got there first.

I would be willing to spend like £3,000 on a 17" rMBP. I really would.
 
Thoughts on this???

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/macbook.air.pro.2014.release.date.october.alongside.os.x.yosemite/41331.htm
 
There are a couple sites like that one that always show up as "news" when you search for macbook info, can't recall the other names at the moment.

They're all massively overloaded with ads and seem to repost the same (or slightly scrambled) info at least once a week. I believe it's an attempt to game Google's "news about ____" system.

That said I wouldn't be shocked if we hear something about the MBA next week. The Core-M CPUs are essentially released so it would be the right time if that's the direction Apple wants to go. It's possible that the article is built from mixed up rumors and that the MBA is getting all of those things: QHD screen, better battery life from Core-M, and a touchscreen. Throw in a Yoga-like folding design and a Wacom digitizer and I'm actually sold, but that sounds incredibly unlikely and not-Apple.

The MBP line CPUs are probably still several months out so any announcement there would be more than a little premature.
 
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My current MBPR is exemplary, I'm very happy. It gets pushed hard via resource intense software, maxed out with RAM and a large SSD its a rocket. I've been using new fully loaded Macs long before iPhones existed.

Waiting is overrated.
 
its looking like its gonna be updated almost 2 years from the initial haswell launch (mba)...slightly depressing ---haswell refresh doesnt count..
 
I'm just hoping for cooler thermals and a thinner design. I love the 13" mbp but I'm missing the 15" screen real estate. I just don't miss the 15" size. I think the rumored 14" rmba would be perfect.
 
mikeo007 said:
Why will it be dead? Even low end dGPUs are exceptionally more powerful than top end integrated. So what will change now that hasn't already changed years ago? Intel got serious about graphics in the sandy bridge era, but all that did was remove nvidias ability to create their own integrated solutions and rely on dedicated cards for their GPU division.
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What you seem to be missing is that Intel are doubling the number of transistors with each Tick and that, recently, Intel have been allocating most of those new transistors to the iGPU. As long as Intel continue to grow the number of transistors in the iGPU faster than the number of transistors on the die (at the expense of slower growth for the rest of the CPU), Intel can continue to close the gap between iGPU and dGPU performance. Once it's close enough, price kills the dGPU market. We saw the same thing with FPUs about 25 years ago, first in laptops, then desktops, and finally the workstation market. If you think that Intel do not have the market power to kill the dGPU market, then short Intel and go long on Nvidia.

mikeo007 said:
What do you propose those companies do? Close up shop because Intel keeps doing the same thing they've been doing for years?
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Nothing lasts forever. Technology companies often fold when their niche dries up.
 
augustya said:
Ok ! Someone please explain me what does this mean ? :rolleyes:
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He misses having a 15" screen to use. There is more space to work on which is inherently better for productivity. What he doesn't miss is having to carry around a 15" computer. It is much larger and heavier than a 13"
 
There wont be a CPU to warrant an upgrade I'd call substantial until the middle of next year and really... That's 4 fricken years :mad: But really that's Intels situation and nothing to do with Apple.
 
The 2014 Mac mini (like the 2012 model, but unlike the 2011 model) does not include a discrete GPU. The low-end model includes Intel HD 5000 graphics and the mid and high-end models include Intel Iris 5100 graphics. Apple evidently considered the Intel Iris Pro 5200 to be overkill for the Mac mini.

This supports my contention that Apple want integrated graphics that are good enough and that the availability of higher performance discrete graphics becomes irrelevant once the integrated graphics are good enough.

The new Retina iMac, with the 5K display, requires more performance than Intel Iris Pro 5200 integrated graphics provides in order to drive 14.7 megapixels. That may change with Broadwell or Skylake.

The idea that Apple might ever put a discrete GPU back into the 13" rMBP should be abandoned. Even the high-end 15" rMBP will lose the discrete GPU within a year or two.
 
I currently own a 2011 13" Macbook Pro and I am planning on upgrading to a new Macbook Pro. The dilemma that I am facing is whether I should upgrade to the current 15" Retina Macbook Pro (the highest end one with a 750M and 512GB SSD) or wait for the Broadwell models to launch. The main reason I am holding out on just purchasing right now is that I am afraid there will be a redesign which I do not want to miss out on. The same is the case with the inclusion of a 9XX GPU.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do and how likely it is that the next model will have a new design and a 9XX GPU (There are some rumours that the next model will have an AMD GPU which I would rather avoid)? Also I'm guessing that the new model will be launched sometime around February right?

Thanks!
 
modstorm said:
I currently own a 2011 13" Macbook Pro and I am planning on upgrading to a new Macbook Pro. The dilemma that I am facing is whether I should upgrade to the current 15" Retina Macbook Pro (the highest end one with a 750M and 512GB SSD) or wait for the Broadwell models to launch. The main reason I am holding out on just purchasing right now is that I am afraid there will be a redesign which I do not want to miss out on. The same is the case with the inclusion of a 9XX GPU.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do and how likely it is that the next model will have a new design and a 9XX GPU (There are some rumours that the next model will have an AMD GPU which I would rather avoid)? Also I'm guessing that the new model will be launched sometime around February right?
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First, the next MBPs (with Broadwell) will not be launched before summer 2015 because that is when Intel will release the CPUs. It seems unlikely that the 2015 MBPs will feature an external redesign. The high-end Broadwell MBPs might include a discrete GPU or they might not include one. It will probably depend on whether or not the Intel integrated GPU can handle an external 5K display.
 
mcarling said:
First, the next MBPs (with Broadwell) will not be launched before summer 2015 because that is when Intel will release the CPUs. It seems unlikely that the 2015 MBPs will feature an external redesign. The high-end Broadwell MBPs might include a discrete GPU or they might not include one. It will probably depend on whether or not the Intel integrated GPU can handle an external 5K display.
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Thanks! Guess I'll get the current high end 15" then, should be quite an upgrade from my current 2011 13" one :)
 
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