Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

[DiegoFrancisco]

Wouldn't an upgrade to an IGZO display have a much more noticeable effect on day-to-day functionality than Broadwell or Skylake? There are already IGZO displays that would work with MBP's: http://www.sharp-world.com/corporate/news/130927.html. Why doesn't Apple use them?

The effect IGZO had on iPads was crazy - going from the first retina iPad to an iPad Air was night-and day, all due to the display. Lower power draw meant a smaller battery and thus a more compact and lighter design, and the same battery life even with a much faster processor. They run way cooler, but I don't know if that has anything to do with the display.

For the MBP, Broadwell is going to consume much less power as well, so if they went with an IGZO display they could move to a smaller battery, more compact and lighter design, and much more powerful processors without sacrificing battery life. A 4k display seems like overkill, but I'd still probably buy it

 

[0983275]

It's probably about 50/50 that there will be any discrete GPU at all in any Broadwell MacBook Pro.

With how Apple do things, that seems likely, upgraded Iris Pro in Broadwell CPU should be enough for me though, but I can still hope but when you consider the performance/power draw of Maxwell GPUs, there's no reason not to include it.

 

[mcarling]

With how Apple do things, that seems likely, upgraded Iris Pro in Broadwell CPU should be enough for me though, but I can still hope but when you consider the performance/power draw of Maxwell GPUs, there's no reason not to include it.

There are several good reasons, from Apple's perspective, to entirely eliminate the discrete GPU from the MacBook Pro line: cost, reliability, risk, battery life, and the relatively minor reasons of weight and size.

 

[augustya]

I have never posted any secret information, so please refrain from asking for "more" secret information.

Easy My Friend ! what moral or legal bindings would you have, now that you have left the organisation...Everyone lets it go...Even Ex Marines/Seals agents give it away...read the Book "I shot O***A" so what is Holding you back ! You can just give some useful hints to some potential buyers like me waiting for the Broadwell chip to appear in rMBP 15 inch ! What's so sinful or any harm in it

 

[augustya]

My best guess is summer 2015. I doubt Broadwell CPUs suitable for the 15" MacBook Pro will be available in large quantities before June.

How likely is this going to happen ? Can it even get delayed than summer and August of 2015 ?

 

[Vanilla35]

Easy My Friend ! what moral or legal bindings would you have, now that you have left the organisation...Everyone lets it go...Even Ex Marines/Seals agents give it away...read the Book "I shot O***A" so what is Holding you back ! You can just give some useful hints to some potential buyers like me waiting for the Broadwell chip to appear in rMBP 15 inch ! What's so sinful or any harm in it

Lol you are a terrible person.

 

[augustya]

Lol you are a terrible person.

I am just saying lets have the information flowing ! Let's not hide anything !

 

[FrozenDarkness]

There are several good reasons, from Apple's perspective, to entirely eliminate the discrete GPU from the MacBook Pro line: cost, reliability, risk, battery life, and the relatively minor reasons of weight and size.

Oh, I can think of maybe $3000 reasons why they wouldn't. My guess is unless Apple redesigns the 15 rmbp to be thinner, they would have no reason not to utilize the TDP and the huge space left over in its current design to make more money.

Either thinner and lighter, or keep the same power. or else it's just a useless design and I think that should drive Ive wild.

 

[mcarling]

How likely is this going to happen ? Can it even get delayed than summer and August of 2015 ?

Let's just say it would be reasonable to expect availability of a Broadwell MacBook Pro before the 2015 holiday shopping season.

Oh, I can think of maybe $3000 reasons why they wouldn't. My guess is unless Apple redesigns the 15 rmbp to be thinner, they would have no reason not to utilize the TDP and the huge space left over in its current design to make more money.

Either thinner and lighter, or keep the same power. or else it's just a useless design and I think that should drive Ive wild.

Apple can utilize the TDP capacity of the current MacBook Pro design by offering faster CPUs with faster iGPUs. That is the way forward.

If I were running Apple, I would offer a 17" MacBook Pro with 3840x2160 driven by a discrete GPU, 16GB or 32GB of DRAM, and two SSD slots. Then I would make the 15" models iGPU-only.

 

[augustya]

Let's just say it would be reasonable to expect availability of a Broadwell MacBook Pro before the 2015 holiday shopping season.

C'mon dude that's not like saying much ! Evyone knows that it would be in 2015 and when Say before holiday season you have kept safe margin for yourself to be predicting it to be coming out anytime after August ! C'mon a kid would know that !!

 

[mcarling]

C'mon dude that's not like saying much ! Evyone knows that it would be in 2015 and when Say before holiday season you have kept safe margin for yourself to be predicting it to be coming out anytime after August ! C'mon a kid would know that !!

When you ask a question like:

How likely is this going to happen ? Can it even get delayed than summer and August of 2015 ?

... my answer was appropriate to the question.

 

[CJM]

As we're waiting for mid-2015, for Intel to have suitable Broadwell processors available, we can pretty much assume the usual yearly update is about on schedule.

 

[mcarling]

As we're waiting for mid-2015, for Intel to have suitable Broadwell processors available, we can pretty much assume the usual yearly update is about on schedule.

The last MacBook Pro update was 29 July 2014. I do not expect any more updates before Broadwell.

 

[Questtt3]

I don't know, but because there have been so many delays and seemingly false promises from Intel as to when Broadwell will be released, I am beginning to wonder if there might be performance or stability issues with this processor. I mean, this chip has been delayed so long that it's potential release date is now close to Skylake's originally projected release date.

Since last spring I've been waiting for Broadwell, but now I am thinking maybe it's better to go with the Haswell mid-2014 MBP as it is part of a MBP system that has been refreshed and refined over a period of years and is now very stable. While the potential upgrades to the the next generation MBPs sound enticing, I am reminded of all the screen and logic board/mother board issues that existed in the earlier years version of the current iteration and I think, who needs that (potentially) when the current mid-2014 MBP was designed for Yosemite and appears to function so well.

Thoughts?

 

[mcarling]

I don't know, but because there have been so many delays and seemingly false promises from Intel as to when Broadwell will be released, I am beginning to wonder if there might be performance or stability issues with this processor. I mean, this chip has been delayed so long that it's potential release date is now close to Skylake's originally projected release date.

Since last spring I've been waiting for Broadwell, but now I am thinking maybe it's better to go with the Haswell mid-2014 MBP as it is part of a MBP system that has been refreshed and refined over a period of years and is now very stable. While the potential upgrades to the the next generation MBPs sound enticing, I am reminded of all the screen and logic board/mother board issues that existed in the earlier years version of the current iteration and I think, who needs that (potentially) when the current mid-2014 MBP was designed for Yosemite and appears to function so well.

Thoughts?

Generally, Intel's Tick processors have worked out all the bugs (Intel call them Errata) that get introduced with the Tock processors so, in theory, Broadwell should be more stable than Haswell. However, the mid-2014 MacBook Pro models have 2nd gen Haswell parts with all the bugs worked out. The mid-2014 MacBook Pro should be rock solid. In my opinion, now is an excellent time to buy a new MacBook Pro.

 

[thebrobrah]

i think mbp will skip broadwell now

which is good.

 

[Jayayess1190]

i think mbp will skip broadwell now

which is good.

You really think for at least 10 more months the MBP's will be sold with Haswell while its competitors get Broadwell?

 

[mcarling]

You really think for at least 10 more months the MBP's will be sold with Haswell while its competitors get Broadwell?

Why do you think it will be 10 months between Intel's introduction of 28W and 37-47W Broadwell parts and the introduction of 28W and 37-47W Skylake parts?

 

[andeify]

Not good news for the waiters

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014120801_Intel_prepares_Core_i7-4720HQ_and_i7-4722HQ_CPUs.html

 

[Jayayess1190]

Why do you think it will be 10 months between Intel's introduction of 28W and 37-47W Broadwell parts and the introduction of 28W and 37-47W Skylake parts?

It won't be that long. It would be that long from the CES introduction of Broadwell in January to the October announcement of the Skylake MBP's.

 

[domenicop]

Subscribing. I want a MBP and I m still undecided between getting it now and waiting form the next gen.
Next year I will need a laptop, while this year it would be just a replacement to my actual really slow laptop, but I don't really need it anyway.

Can you tell me why Broadwells for the MBP are not yet available?
Wikipedia says that laptops with Broadwell are selling from October 2014.

Will the MBPs mount custom Broadwell?
Customized in what way?

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Not good news for the waiters

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014120801_Intel_prepares_Core_i7-4720HQ_and_i7-4722HQ_CPUs.html

Why is this bad news?

 

[andeify]

The line of high-performance mobile processors, identified by "H" suffix in the model number, will be transitioned to Broadwell microarchitecture in the third quarter of 2015.

It's not good news for people hoping for a rMBP update in q1 this year

 

[domenicop]

It's not good news for people hoping for a rMBP update in q1 this year

;( I see.
Let's hope this is just a rumor, because Q3 seems a really long time.
I don't think Apple is gonna ship the laptops as soon as the processors arrives. I am sure there is testing and things like that to do.
That would set the new MBP line release to Q4...

 

[mcarling]

Subscribing. I want a MBP and I m still undecided between getting it now and waiting form the next gen.
Next year I will need a laptop, while this year it would be just a replacement to my actual really slow laptop, but I don't really need it anyway.

Can you tell me why Broadwells for the MBP are not yet available?
Wikipedia says that laptops with Broadwell are selling from October 2014.

Will the MBPs mount custom Broadwell?
Customized in what way?

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Why is this bad news?

All of your questions are answered in the link you quoted.

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;( I see.
Let's hope this is just a rumor, because Q3 seems a really long time.
I don't think Apple is gonna ship the laptops as soon as the processors arrives. I am sure there is testing and things like that to do.
That would set the new MBP line release to Q4...

Not necessarily. Apple receive samples many months before the parts start shipping in quantity. Apple's release dates are constrained by availability of large quantities (hundreds of thousands per month), not by engineering, testing, and validation.

 

[m.bico]

Hi guys..I'm just afraid to spend so much money on an outdated model if there's an update soon..I kinda have to decide quickly as i suffer from my 2011 model with those GPU failures which i keep fixing and want to save the money for buying a new one..but should i wait?

What really really makes it confusing is that i have the chance of buying it now from USA which is much cheaper than it is in my country as the price of the high end 15" model in the US is cheaper by 377 US dollars than the lower end 15" in my country!

Any advice?