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A lot of you guys have suggested me why dont I buy a rMBP right now so I have decided to go ahead and explain you guys why I dont wanna buy it right now.

Firstly I am not in the U.S and buying a rMBP is a huge investment for me. Unlike in the U.S where if you own a Gadget that too a Apple Product the resale value is pretty good, so one can just buy the current Haswell rMBP now and sell it once the new Broadwell Machines come in the Market and your current Haswell Machine might fetch you some reasonable returns. That is not the case here, So what even if it is Apple, If I were to buy now a Haswell rMBP just to sell it when Broadwell comes, it will fetch me peanuts and mark my words peanuts. Would atleast be a $1500 USD Depreciation for me ! That is F***in Huge !! So whenever I have to buy a rMBP I plan to use it atleast for 4-5 Years a minimum. I cannot (Doesn't work out cost effective in this part of the world) Where There is no real Apple Cult Following !! I cannot just use it now and sell it later, Nope can break you financially. :rolleyes:

Second I am not in any real Hurry, I right now use a Windows Machine, which kind of does the job for me, But I wanna sooner or later migrate to the Mac Environment, having said that as of now it is an intention, I am not sitting on a Burning Furnace to do it ASAP ! :D

Third is since I wanna use the rMBP for atleast a period of 4-5 year I wanna buy the most latest Tech Machine available at that point of time, to future proof myself (Again I know one cant) but how much and whatever I can ! To be able to cope with the technological advancements for the coming 4-5 years.

So what makes most important to me in that sense, Having a Bigger Space SSD OR RAM, NO !! what matters to me is, the Battery and GPU Performance ! That would matter/hurt me the most. I know, all of you guys would say even the current Iris Pro rMBP is good enough for a normal, layman use. But Like I said I plan to use the rMBP that I buy for 4-5 years so I would as much as I can, try and buy the...the...most latest, technologically advanced machine available in the Market !! And Having burnt my fingers of having a Sony Vaio Laptop which had a dedicated GPU which failed (Though After 5 Years) and by failing also shot dead my entire machine. I dont wanna buy a Dedicated GPU ever in my life ! Never Ever ! And so I would look to buy a Integrated GPU Machine which is the most latest, most recent. I have had umpteen number of discussion with so called Tech Gurus and Wizrads who have maintained this point, if you want to use your rMBP for 4-5 years as you say, never...never...ever..go for a dedicated GPU Machine !! Period !! You will Thank yourself !! And a lot of Gurus have also told me even right now the Iris Pro IGPU performance in the rMBP has taken the IGPU in rMBP to all new fantastic level ! and the birth of Broadwell will make it one heck of lean, mean F***in Machine It will go there and join a different league in terms of what out of the world Tasks can a IGPU Machine start doing ! Hence even though it is a difficult and very agonizing wait. I am forced to wait. Damn You Intel ! :D I hate You for making me Wait !!


If $1500 USD depreciation is "F***in Huge !!" then maybe buying a $4000 laptop isn't a good idea? I'm pretty sure that Broadwell rMBP won't be a perfect laptop just like the current one isn't – if there's one thing we learned from Apple it's their "give 1, take 2 away" strategy. For example, if Broadwell real TDP ends up much lower, I can see them making rMBP thinner and dropping the 2nd heatsink, so it may overheat even more (or decreasing the battery capacity like in iPad Air / Air 2)
 
If $1500 USD depreciation is "F***in Huge !!" then maybe buying a $4000 laptop isn't a good idea? I'm pretty sure that Broadwell rMBP won't be a perfect laptop just like the current one isn't – if there's one thing we learned from Apple it's their "give 1, take 2 away" strategy. For example, if Broadwell real TDP ends up much lower, I can see them making rMBP thinner and dropping the 2nd heatsink, so it may overheat even more (or decreasing the battery capacity like in iPad Air / Air 2)

Uh ? who is buying a $4000 USD Laptop ? Do you know the pricing of 15" IGPU Apple Retina Macbook Laptops ? How did you calculate it to $4000 USD ? The IGPU 15" Macbook Cost roughly around $2000-$2300 USD !! Depending on USD Conversion Rate. :rolleyes:

So in a $2000-$2300 USD Laptop if you were to lose $1500 in just say 9-10 months of use would that be not a "F***in Huge !!" depreciation ??

For example, if Broadwell real TDP ends up much lower, I can see them making rMBP thinner and dropping the 2nd heatsink, so it may overheat even more (or decreasing the battery capacity like in iPad Air / Air 2)

Are you sure you are not from one of the Main Business Competitor of Apple, Samsung Funded online Community ? lol !
 
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Uh ? who is buying a $4000 USD Laptop ? Do you know the pricing of 15" IGPU Apple Retina Macbook Laptops ? How did you calculate it to $4000 USD ? The IGPU 15" Macbook Cost roughly around $2000-$2300 USD !! Depending on USD Conversion Rate. :rolleyes:

So in a $2000-$2300 USD Laptop if you were to lose $1500 in just say 9-10 months of use would that be not a "F***in Huge !!" depreciation ??



Are you sure you are not from one of the Main Business Competitor of Apple, Samsung Funded online Community ? lol !
In Italy the top model of MacBook Pro retina with 1 tb of ssd and 2,8 ghz processor costs 3400 euros which are 4169 $ only in USA it costs as it should cost... The same thing can be applied to the iphone 6 ..,here the iphone 6 128 gb costs 950€ Which are 1160 $ ..the prices of the apple's product are insane in Europe ...
 
In Italy the top model of MacBook Pro retina with 1 tb of ssd and 2,8 ghz processor costs 3400 euros which are 4169 $ only in USA it costs as it should cost... The same thing can be applied to the iphone 6 ..,here the iphone 6 128 gb costs 950€ Which are 1160 $ ..the prices of the apple's product are insane in Europe ...

Ok so I am not talking about one of those customised rMBP I am talking about only the base version of rMBP 15 Inch which comes with it's default specs of 2.2 gHZ, 250 GB SDD and 8MB of RAM ! That works out to just $2000 USD !
 
Ok so I am not talking about one of those customised rMBP I am talking about only the base version of rMBP 15 Inch which comes with it's default specs of 2.2 gHZ, 250 GB SDD and 8MB of RAM ! That works out to just $2000 USD !

No..the base model costs 2450€ :(
 
In Italy the top model of MacBook Pro retina with 1 tb of ssd and 2,8 ghz processor costs 3400 euros which are 4169 $ only in USA it costs as it should cost... The same thing can be applied to the iphone 6 ..,here the iphone 6 128 gb costs 950€ Which are 1160 $ ..the prices of the apple's product are insane in Europe ...

The reason why Apple (and other) products are so expensive in the EU compared to the US are: higher tax burden, higher regulatory burden, and less competition. It's generally cheaper to buy French wine in the States than to buy the same bottle in France. This is not Apple's fault.
 
Yes exactly, if they atleast decide to put a GT 950m in the 2015 MBP I would be really happy. In my company basically 90% of the people use Imac's at the office and Macbook pro's "on the go". We are really happy with the desktops but still find the current iteration MBP:s on the graphically weaker side.

Since the 9xxm series graphics cards are significantly better in both performance and thermally(heat generation) it would be an excellent upgrade. Then add a Broadwell/Skylake CPU into the mix that in theory should run substantially cooler than the current haswell CPU:s, suddenly you realise that you have the perfect laptop:=)

I definitely see the positives and negatives of getting an rMBP now. The question is, would there be a substantial performance increase from the custom top mid-2012 rMBP and the current custom top rMBP, and, if I were to buy it now, that rMBP and the hypothetical top Broadwell rMBP?
 
I've just sold my MBP 17-inch early 2009 and hesitant at buying a rMBP replacement now. The speed difference coming from Broadwell or the lower TDP wouldn't bother me that much, I'm much more interested in a decent screen upgrade. The current 'retina' resolution of 1440x900 is a joke to me and should really be at least 1680x1050 or even higher at 1900x1200. YMMV obviously but that's my decision maker (and I probably have to wait another 3 years or so due to it :rolleyes: )
 
I definitely see the positives and negatives of getting an rMBP now. The question is, would there be a substantial performance increase from the custom top mid-2012 rMBP and the current custom top rMBP, and, if I were to buy it now, that rMBP and the hypothetical top Broadwell rMBP?

If I were you I would have waited for the Broadwell version as you have the 2012 MBP. You might not see that much of an performance gain CPU wise, but it should run cooler than the current MBP and boost the iGPU by around 20-30%.

And hopefully they put a 9xx dGPU in the next iteration 15 rMBP:s aswell, it should be several times faster than the antiquated GT 750m.

This is a test with the new Broadwell 15W TDP ultra low voltage CPU. Although it doesn't really reflect the 28W, 37W or 47W TDP versions used in the MBP:s, it still gives a small hint on what kind of performance gains one can expect over Haswell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTgubV1cwfo&feature=youtu.be

If you need the computer now, then you should buy. But like myself, I'm not really in need of a new laptop at home, so Im probably going to wait until the release of Skylake before I do any purchase.
 
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I am totally shocked and stoned by this ghastly news, Broadwell has found its way in to MacBook Air's but why still no news, no mention of Broadwell in to 15" Macbook Pro ? Why ? Why ?Why ? Can someone explain me ? why ? :mad:

This News has totally made me more anxious and impatient on whether and will at all there be a Broadwell powered rMBP in 2015. :confused:
 

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I am totally shocked and stoned by this ghastly news, Broadwell has found its way in to MacBook Air's but why still no news, no mention of Broadwell in to 15" Macbook Pro ? Why ? Why ?Why ? Can someone explain me ? why ? :mad:

This News has totally made me more anxious and impatient on whether and will at all there be a Broadwell powered rMBP in 2015. :confused:

This bothers me as well, there has been a lot more news about the Macbook Air than the Macbook Pro. There hasn't been any news about the Macbook Pro after the specs update last year. Really hope for a Q1 release above anything else. :(
 
It remains to be seen if Apple more on a silent note still does go ahead and bring Broadwell in to the rMBP ? I wonder if there was any hue and cry or any spotlight during when Haswell was about to feature in rMBP !
 
Ok so I am not talking about one of those customised rMBP I am talking about only the base version of rMBP 15 Inch which comes with it's default specs of 2.2 gHZ, 250 GB SDD and 8MB of RAM ! That works out to just $2000 USD !

No..the base model costs 2450€ :(

In Italy the base mode costs 2029 € not 2450...

15" con display Retina: 2,2GHz
Specifiche
Intel Core i7 quad-core a 2,2GHz
Turbo Boost fino a 3,4GHz
16GB di memoria a 1600MHz
Unità flash PCIe da 256GB1
Intel Iris Pro Graphics
—
Batteria integrata (8 ore di autonomia)2
Spedizione pronta:
1-3 giorni lavorativi
Consegna gratuita
€ 2.029,00
 
In my opinion it's still way too early to expect the dGPU to completely disappear from the 15 rMBP models.

The main reason behind the 2011 MBP dGPU failures, is really bad quality graphic chips from ATI themself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AcEt073Uds

Love the dudes approach, and agree that re-balling the gpu is probably BS, but he does lose some credibility by claiming as 'fact' that all Apple computers have a built in timer in them to fail shortly after the warranty expires.
That's a hell of a claim to make without backing it up, and were it true, then some tech genius would have discovered that 'timer' and there'd be a HUGE class-action lawsuit against Apple by now. Just sayin'.
 
This bothers me as well, there has been a lot more news about the Macbook Air than the Macbook Pro. There hasn't been any news about the Macbook Pro after the specs update last year. Really hope for a Q1 release above anything else. :(

If Broadwell-H and Skylake get released around the same time, it makes very little sense for Apple to put Broadwell into their laptops instead of Skylake.

Intel themself might even skip Broadwell-H and release Skylake directly as that would also allow them to return to the "Tick-tock" cycle, with Cannonlake 10nm being back on track for 2016. Nevertheless it will be very intresting to see their approach. http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/12/08/did-intel-corporation-just-cancel-broadwell-h-and.aspx
I for one would actually greatly prefer if they went for Skylake directly:)
 
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Love the dudes approach, and agree that re-balling the gpu is probably BS, but he does lose some credibility by claiming as 'fact' that all Apple computers have a built in timer in them to fail shortly after the warranty expires.
That's a hell of a claim to make without backing it up, and were it true, then some tech genius would have discovered that 'timer' and there'd be a HUGE class-action lawsuit against Apple by now. Just sayin'.

Haha, it was pure sarcasm, I like this dude because he has a sarcastic sense of humor:)
He is speaking the truth though, the main reason for the 2011 MBP GPU failures is really bad grahics chips from ATI, actually not that much diffrent from the crappy graphic chips Nvidia produced 2008 (8600m).
 
Haha, it was pure sarcasm, I like this dude because he has a sarcastic sense of humor:)
He is speaking the truth though, the main reason for the 2011 MBP GPU failures is really bad grahics chips from ATI, actually not that much diffrent from the crappy graphic chips Nvidia produced 2008 (8600m).

I don't know ... I sure didn't catch the 'sarcasm'. But maybe my autism was acting up a bit when I watched it.
 
In Italy the base mode costs 2029 € not 2450...

15" con display Retina: 2,2GHz
Specifiche
Intel Core i7 quad-core a 2,2GHz
Turbo Boost fino a 3,4GHz
16GB di memoria a 1600MHz
Unità flash PCIe da 256GB1
Intel Iris Pro Graphics
—
Batteria integrata (8 ore di autonomia)2
Spedizione pronta:
1-3 giorni lavorativi
Consegna gratuita
€ 2.029,00
Sorry I've made the conversion from euros to dollars but i forgot to change the final symbol ..I mean 2450$ not euros
 
In Italy the base mode costs 2029 € not 2450...

15" con display Retina: 2,2GHz
Specifiche
Intel Core i7 quad-core a 2,2GHz
Turbo Boost fino a 3,4GHz
16GB di memoria a 1600MHz
Unità flash PCIe da 256GB1
Intel Iris Pro Graphics
—
Batteria integrata (8 ore di autonomia)2
Spedizione pronta:
1-3 giorni lavorativi
Consegna gratuita
€ 2.029,00

Same here I was not talking about the Price of rMBP in the European Union or in Italy !
 
If Broadwell-H and Skylake get released around the same time, it makes very little sense for Apple to put Broadwell into their laptops instead of Skylake.

Intel themself might even skip Broadwell-H and release Skylake directly as that would also allow them to return to the "Tick-tock" cycle, with Cannonlake 10nm being back on track for 2016. Nevertheless it will be very intresting to see their approach. http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/12/08/did-intel-corporation-just-cancel-broadwell-h-and.aspx
I for one would actually greatly prefer if they went for Skylake directly:)

Good news for 15" fans, bad news for 13" fans. 15" will be getting the latest tech, 13" will be getting yesterday's generation. The same happened in 2010, when Apple was forced to use a two year old cpu in the 13" because the latest chips (1st gen i5 and i7) weren't available in the right TDP yet.

Once again, thanks a lot Intel.
 
Good news for 15" fans, bad news for 13" fans. 15" will be getting the latest tech, 13" will be getting yesterday's generation.

What makes you think so ? Which link, rumour makes you say this, Do you have any link to this information ?
 
What makes you think so ? Which link, rumour makes you say this, Do you have any link to this information ?

Read the link that I quoted.

It is just a rumour of course, but it makes sense. If Broawell-H is scrapped in favour of Skylake-H, we will be seeing a Skylake MBP15 in 2015. However, since Broadwell-U is scheduled for spring then it's likely we will not see Skylake-U in 2015 but 2016.

If this scenario turns out to be correct, the 2015 MBP lineup will be Broadwell for the 13" and Skylake for the 15". That's not only a difference between 2 and 4 cores but between two completely different architectures.

which is basically the same scenario as in 2010 between the Core 2 Duo 13" and the i5/i7 15". In other words, 13" fans would have to wait another year to get Skylake. By which time Cannonlake is already knocking on the door.
 
Read the link that I quoted.

It is just a rumour of course, but it makes sense. If Broawell-H is scrapped in favour of Skylake-H, we will be seeing a Skylake MBP15 in 2015. However, since Broadwell-U is scheduled for spring then it's likely we will not see Skylake-U in 2015 but 2016.

If this scenario turns out to be correct, the 2015 MBP lineup will be Broadwell for the 13" and Skylake for the 15". That's not only a difference between 2 and 4 cores but between two completely different architectures.

which is basically the same scenario as in 2010 between the Core 2 Duo 13" and the i5/i7 15". In other words, 13" fans would have to wait another year to get Skylake. By which time Cannonlake is already knocking on the door.


All I want is Apple should add some advanced iGPU to the rMBP 15" in 2015, be it Broadwell or Skylake I don't care !! As long there is something added to the rMBP in 2015 ! So will there be any at all advancement that will happen to the rMBP 15" in 2015 ?
 
Good news for 15" fans, bad news for 13" fans. 15" will be getting the latest tech, 13" will be getting yesterday's generation. The same happened in 2010, when Apple was forced to use a two year old cpu in the 13" because the latest chips (1st gen i5 and i7) weren't available in the right TDP yet.

Once again, thanks a lot Intel.

It might be that my memory is playing tricks on me, but as far as I remember, the CPUs were available, and Apple chose to keep the old ones because they could use the 320m, which was head and shoulders above any integrated graphics solution on the market at that time.
 
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