Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

[mcarling]

I am hanging onto my Early 2011 MBP until I get a screen resolution of at least that much.

All the Retina MBPs have higher screen resolution than the highest resolution Early 2011 MBP.

I also don't like Apple's abandonment of matte glare-reducing screens. I hope those will come back at the same time.

The current MBP screens are much better than the "glossy" screens were back when the "matte" option was available. I find the current screens nearly as good as the "matte" screen I had. I hated the "glossy" version, but that was a question of taste.

 

[DominikHoffmann]

All the Retina MBPs have higher screen resolution than the highest resolution Early 2011 MBP.

The point I am trying to make is that, at a standard size of being displayed, my Finder Desktop can display 15 x 9 file or folder icons. It would require precisely a 3360 x 2100 display at the same 15.4-in size to display that many icons at twice the linear resolution.

The current MBP screens are much better than the "glossy" screens were back when the "matte" option was available. I find the current screens nearly as good as the "matte" screen I had. I hated the "glossy" version, but that was a question of taste.

I think your operative word is “nearly.”

 

[mcarling]

The point I am trying to make is that, at a standard size of being displayed, my Finder Desktop can display 15 x 9 file or folder icons. It would require precisely a 3360 x 2100 display at the same 15.4-in size to display that many icons at twice the linear resolution.

Scaling factors other than exactly 2x work very well. I don't use a 2x scaling factor with my MBP. Mine is a 15" model, so it has a raw resolution of 2880x1800. I have it set to scale at 1920x1200 which is a 1.5x scaling factor.

 

[DominikHoffmann]

Scaling factors other than exactly 2x work very well. I don't use a 2x scaling factor with my MBP. Mine is a 15" model, so it has a raw resolution of 2880x1800. I have it set to scale at 1920x1200 which is a 1.5x scaling factor.

I guess, I’ll have to check it out on my next visit to the local Apple Store.

 

[MrGimper]

Scaling factors other than exactly 2x work very well. I don't use a 2x scaling factor with my MBP. Mine is a 15" model, so it has a raw resolution of 2880x1800. I have it set to scale at 1920x1200 which is a 1.5x scaling factor.

I have a 13" and I run it at 1920x1200 HiDPI which is a scaling of 1.3333

Works well.

 

[Sukach]

Man, I would love to wait for the Skylake, but I don't think I can do it. I'm working on a 5 year old Dell laptop that, up until last week, only operated about 10 minutes on battery. But, as of last week, doesn't run off the battery at all anymore. March is the earliest I can buy a laptop, so early 2Q for the Broadwell in the 13" rMBP would be perfect for me. Not to mention I'm just excited to make the switch to Mac.

 

[augustya]

The Broadwell CPUs announced today are suitable for the MacBook Air and for the 13" MacBook Pro. Broadwell CPUs suitable for the 15" MacBook Pro have not yet been announced.

isn't that a shocker !! So what does it mean for future people were speculating even the Broadwell chips to be used in rMBP 15 inch will be announced in the CES 2015 which did not happen ? What does that mean and hold for us in future ? Will there be no Broadwell Chips for rMBP 15 and they will directly go on for Skylake ? is this already a signal ?

What are the Broadwell Chips to be use in rMBP in 15 inch to be called?

 

[mcarling]

Man, I would love to wait for the Skylake, but I don't think I can do it. I'm working on a 5 year old Dell laptop that, up until last week, only operated about 10 minutes on battery. But, as of last week, doesn't run off the battery at all anymore. March is the earliest I can buy a laptop, so early 2Q for the Broadwell in the 13" rMBP would be perfect for me. Not to mention I'm just excited to make the switch to Mac.

Now is a good time to buy a MacBook Pro. It is possible that Apple might release the 13" Broadwell Macbook Pro before the 15" Broadwell MacBook Pro but, if history is any indication, it seems more likely that they would be released together sometime in the June to October timeframe.

isn't that a shocker !! So what does it mean for future people were speculating even the Broadwell chips to be used in rMBP 15 inch will be announced in the CES 2015 which did not happen ? What does that mean and hold for us in future ? Will there be no Broadwell Chips for rMBP 15 and they will directly go on for Skylake ? is this already a signal ?

The Broadwell chips suitable for the 15" MacBook Pro are still slated for release in Q2 2015. Apple have not given any indication whether or not they would skip Broadwell, but I expect to see a Broadwell MacBook Pro release, probably in the June to October timeframe.

What are the Broadwell Chips to be use in rMBP in 15 inch to be called?

Broadwell-H

 

[thebrobrah]

intel said broadwell u has been shipping to oems since ending of 14, should be for sale end of jan

mbp 13..for sale on april then? seems reasonable

 

[magicMac]

TouchID built into the trackpad?

 

[augustya]

Everone has its own Theory Predicting Broadwell-H Chips release dates !

Everyone has its own theory of predicting when will the Broadwell Chips Suitable of rMBP 15 Inch will be released and Macrumors Guys predict this. Who knows which one is more accurate lol !

 

[ygys]

the 13" rMPB can handle only 2 external monitors in comperison with its 15" brother which can handle 3 screens thanks to the superior graphics card. So do you think that the improved igpu in broadwell processor can handle those 3 sreens even in the 13" formfactor ?

 

[mcarling]

the 13" rMPB can handle only 2 external monitors in comperison with its 15" brother which can handle 3 screens thanks to the superior graphics card. So do you think that the improved igpu in broadwell processor can handle those 3 sreens even in the 13" formfactor ?

From http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs-retina/ the current Haswell 13" rMBP supports two external displays:
"Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on up to two external displays, both at millions of colors"

 

[Sukach]

intel said broadwell u has been shipping to oems since ending of 14, should be for sale end of jan

mbp 13..for sale on april then? seems reasonable

The new processor is already available for purchase in some Dell laptops. I've also been waiting for Broadwell to update my work laptop and sure enough, the Dell Latitude has the 5th gen i7 available in multiple configurations.

 

[mcarling]

The new processor is already available for purchase in some Dell laptops. I've also been waiting for Broadwell to update my work laptop and sure enough, the Dell Latitude has the 5th gen i7 available in multiple configurations.

Only up to 28W Broadwell CPUs are shipping now. These are only suitable for the 13" MBP. Apple usually (but not always) releases the 13" and 15" models at the same time. Broadwell CPUs suitable for the 15" MBP will not ship before Q2 2015. We could see the Broadwell MBP introduced in the summer. My guess is probably in the June to October time range.

 

[koyoot]

Only up to 28W Broadwell CPUs are shipping now. These are only suitable for the 13" MBP. Apple usually (but not always) releases the 13" and 15" models at the same time. Broadwell CPUs suitable for the 15" MBP will not ship before Q2 2015. We could see the Broadwell MBP introduced in the summer. My guess is probably in the June to October time range.

And in late Q3 we will get Quad Core Skylake.

Lots of companies are skipping Broadwell right now...

 

[mcarling]

And in late Q3 we will get Quad Core Skylake.

We'll see.

Lots of companies are skipping Broadwell right now...

Apple's volumes are large enough to release Skylake MBPs three months after Broadwell MBPs, if that's when the parts will become available.

 

[ygys]

We'll see.


Apple's volumes are large enough to release Skylake MBPs three months after Broadwell MBPs, if that's when the parts will become available.

some skylake chips might be out at the time of release 15" Broadwell rMBP, but they won't be suitable.... those chips will be low power only suitable for chrome books, cheap ultrabooks and tablets,

We definitely won't see skylake macbook pros until spring of 2016 at the earliest

 

[thundersteele]

some skylake chips might be out at the time of release 15" Broadwell rMBP, but they won't be suitable.... those chips will be low power only suitable for chrome books, cheap ultrabooks and tablets,

We definitely won't see skylake macbook pros until spring of 2016 at the earliest

I don't think this is true. There is no indication so far that Skylake will have a similarly staggered launch as Broadwell. I think that Apple skipping Broadwell on the 15'' MBPs is on the table!

 

[Lounge Deluxe]

I largely agree. I wouldn't mind an increase, however the scaled resolutions are in no way blurry.

YMMV of course but I had my MBP 17" (early 2009) with native 1900x1200 next to a mid-2014 MBP in the same scaled resolution and the picture of the 2009 MBP looked sharper then the 2014 one. I'm not just saying, I actually compared them. I did the same with a MBP 2011 with native 1650x1080 and again it looked sharper then the MBP 2014 in that same scaled resolution. This could be a personal thing though, as I said YMMV.

On a side note, a better screen in terms of a higher resolution doesn't mean a bad thing for you as an Apple shareholder, at least not by definition. Where did you get that idea?

 

[mcarling]

There is no indication so far that Skylake will have a similarly staggered launch as Broadwell.

All Intel CPU releases have been staggered for at least the last 35 years. However, Tick releases are more staggered than Tock releases because only Tick releases require replacing virtually all the equipment in the fabs, which obviously would not be done simultaneously with all the fabs.

 

[Pentad]

some skylake chips might be out at the time of release 15" Broadwell rMBP, but they won't be suitable.... those chips will be low power only suitable for chrome books, cheap ultrabooks and tablets,

We definitely won't see skylake macbook pros until spring of 2016 at the earliest

I don't think this is true. Dell has said that they plan to skip Broadwell and move to Skylake for the pro notebooks. You can see a great article here about it.

Cnet also stated at CES that they believe Skylake-H chips will be available in the 2nd half of the year just in time for the back to school/Xmas season. I think it was Dan Ackerman that said Intel engineers told him you'll have Windows 10 notebooks riding Skylake-H CPUs under the tree this year.

Finally, Intel admitted that with Skylake coming so soon that many manufacturers will skip Broadwell. You can read that article here.

Personally, I'm hoping this is true. I would love a Skylake based notebook under the tree this year with a Cannonlake update in the summer of 2016.

-P

 

[mcarling]

I would love a Skylake based notebook under the tree this year with a Cannonlake update in the summer of 2016.

The first half of your wish might or might not come true; the second half definitely won't. Intel might or might not ship Skylake-H CPUs in quantity in time for the 2015 peak holiday shoplifting season, but there is virtually zero chance that Intel will be able to ship Cannonlake-H CPUs in time for the 2016 peak holiday shoplifting season. I'm skeptical that Intel will be able to ship any Cannonlake CPUs in time for the 2016 peak holiday shoplifting season. It will be a challenge for Intel to ship Cannonlake twenty four months after Broadwell. The 10nm process is likely to be at least as difficult to achieve as the 14nm process. I'm hoping to see Cannonlake-H Apple products in time for the 2017 peak holiday shoplifting season.

 

[Macaman]

The first half of your wish might or might not come true; the second half definitely won't. Intel might or might not ship Skylake-H CPUs in quantity in time for the 2015 peak holiday shoplifting season, but there is virtually zero chance that Intel will be able to ship Cannonlake-H CPUs in time for the 2016 peak holiday shoplifting season. I'm skeptical that Intel will be able to ship any Cannonlake CPUs in time for the 2016 peak holiday shoplifting season. It will be a challenge for Intel to ship Cannonlake twenty four months after Broadwell. The 10nm process is likely to be at least as difficult to achieve as the 14nm process. I'm hoping to see Cannonlake-H Apple products in time for the 2017 peak holiday shoplifting season.

I guess a realease of Skylake in 2015 is not as unbelievable as you previously stated

 

[mcarling]

I guess a realease of Skylake in 2015 is not as unbelievable as you previously stated

Certainly some Skylake CPUs will be released by Intel in 2015. That does not necessarily mean that Skylake Macs will be released by Apple in 2015. The Mac most likely to be the first with a Skylake CPU is the same Mac most likely to be the first with a Broadwell CPU: the MacBook Air.