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Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

Do you think Intel is not wanting to Osborne Broadwell, and will get Skylake out faster than many think?

Guess we might find out a tiny bit more come intel earnings call next week. Strange that sometimes Apple leads the way in terms of adoption of Intel chips, sometimes dragging it's feet (e.g. Mac Pro updates - are they skipping a Xeon version?).
 
t0mat0 said:
Do you think Intel is not wanting to Osborne Broadwell, and will get Skylake out faster than many think?
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No, the typical consumer has no idea what a CPU is, let alone which one is inside a computer he might buy. Intel will release Skylake CPUs when they are ready. There are no marketing considerations involved.
 
I'm not talking at the consumer level - more at a shareholder level, or at a big corp that's buying CPU level. Haven't we seen Apple get affected by Intel's CPU release dates before?
I'd imagine some shareholders, big corps that buy Intel chips at large quantities would be interested far more than a tiny consumer number that might follow things. How does Apple implement putting Broadwell and Skylake into MBAs, MBPs, iMacs?
 
Cnet is now reporting that HP said their Pro and Elitebooks will have Skylake-H CPUs in the 2nd half of 2015. They are going to skip Broadwell. Supposedly, Asus has said the same thing about their gaming notebooks in their forums (I didn't read this but many people have posted about it).

Dell was the first to announce Skylake-H CPUs in their XPS notebooks for the 2nd half of 2015.

My guess is that Apple will do the same.

-P
 
Pentad said:
Cnet is now reporting that HP said their Pro and Elitebooks will have Skylake-H CPUs in the 2nd half of 2015. They are going to skip Broadwell. Supposedly, Asus has said the same thing about their gaming notebooks in their forums (I didn't read this but many people have posted about it).

Dell was the first to announce Skylake-H CPUs in their XPS notebooks for the 2nd half of 2015.

My guess is that Apple will do the same.

-P
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That would be a blessing in disguise !! That would be great news !!
 
There is a chance that apple is going to update its 13" macbook pro with a broadwell chip and at the same time they are going to increase the Ghz speed of the 15" haswell rMBP and they even might put a better graphics card in there
that would make everybody happy .. and later on when the broadwell or skylake chips are available they will update the whole line up...

that sound (at least to me ) much more reasonable than being the whole year without an update
 
ygys said:
There is a chance that apple is going to update its 13" macbook pro with a broadwell chip and at the same time they are going to increase the Ghz speed of the 15" haswell rMBP and they even might put a better graphics card in there

that would make everybody happy .. and later on when the broadwell or skylake chips are available they will update the whole line up...



that sound (at least to me ) much more reasonable than being the whole year without an update
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I think the same as you. And if the update arrive, it will arrive in February, like 2013 and 2011..
 
ygys said:
There is a chance that apple is going to update its 13" macbook pro with a broadwell chip and at the same time they are going to increase the Ghz speed of the 15" haswell rMBP and they even might put a better graphics card in there
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If there will be an update to the 13" MacBook Pro in or around March (which I don't expect) then don't expect faster CPUs in the 15" model at the same time, for two reasons: 1) Apple have never done this before, and 2) Intel have already speed bumped the Haswell CPUs and will not do so again. The chances that Apple will replace the discrete GPU in the 15" MacBook Pro before Broadwell are about zero. If Apple had been at all inclined to do that, it would have been with the mid-2014 update. In short, there will be no more new Haswell MacBook Pro updates.

If anyone thinks Apple will release an updated MacBook Pro before June, I have a Brooklyn Bridge edition Cannonlake MacBook Pro prototype, 6-core 5.0GHz, with 64GB of DDR6 DRAM, a 16TB SSD, with 48 hour battery life for sale. Send me an envelope full of cash and then I'll send you the computer. :D
 
mcarling said:
No, the typical consumer has no idea what a CPU is, let alone which one is inside a computer he might buy. Intel will release Skylake CPUs when they are ready. There are no marketing considerations involved.
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Yeah, seem like Apple tends to lag a bit on hardware updates so even if other manufacturers get to Skylake in 2015 Apple may still go with Broadwell.
 
I wonder if we can draw any conclusions on past trends and the duration that Apple took to update between two Haswell updates in the 15 inch rMBP if that can serve as any guideline for us. For e.g. Between the last two haswell updates what was the time interval between them ! So keeping that in mind can we also apply the same time duration between current Broadwell and Skylake updates in the rMBP ? I don't know ! What do you guys think ??
 
augustya said:
I wonder if we can draw any conclusions on past trends and the duration that Apple took to update between two Haswell updates in the 15 inch rMBP if that can serve as any guideline for us. For e.g. Between the last two haswell updates what was the time interval between them ! So keeping that in mind can we also apply the same time duration between current Broadwell and Skylake updates in the rMBP ? I don't know ! What do you guys think ??
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I think you are looking for a pattern in data which is driven by external events.
 
I have an acer computer that takes a few minutes to boot and can just barely load up google chrome and office. I start school at the end if January should I wait for the new MacBook Pro or just get the current model? Whatever model I get will have to last me at least 3 years
 
Shadwmaster said:
I have an acer computer that takes a few minutes to boot and can just barely load up google chrome and office. I start school at the end if January should I wait for the new MacBook Pro or just get the current model? Whatever model I get will have to last me at least 3 years
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Only you can decide if you want to wait or not. If that were me though I would do a simple reformat (which will surely speed up your computer) and wait.
 
Shadwmaster said:
I have an acer computer that takes a few minutes to boot and can just barely load up google chrome and office. I start school at the end if January should I wait for the new MacBook Pro or just get the current model? Whatever model I get will have to last me at least 3 years
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Buy one now. There will not be a new MacBook Pro before summer -- unless Apple do something unusual, which would be to release the 13" MacBook Pro before the 15" MacBook Pro. In that exceptional case, there still will not be a new MacBook Pro when you need it.
 
mcarling said:
Buy one now. There will not be a new MacBook Pro before summer -- unless Apple do something unusual, which would be to release the 13" MacBook Pro before the 15" MacBook Pro. In that exceptional case, there still will not be a new MacBook Pro when you need it.
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In 2012, Apple did release the 15" before the 13", so it is not unprecedented
 
thunng8 said:
In 2012, Apple did release the 15" before the 13", so it is not unprecedented
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I think he says that Apple releasing the 15" before the 13" is as what they accustom us so far or at least simultaneous release. The unusual thing would be updating the 13" before the 15".

Personally I don't think it's gonna happen. However given the circumstances they could update the 13" model in february and wait till summer to update the 15" model when broadwell chips will supposedly be ready.
 
vbedia said:
I think he says that Apple releasing the 15" before the 13" is as what they accustom us so far or at least simultaneous release. The unusual thing would be updating the 13" before the 15".
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The usual releases are simultaneous. I counted 3 split releases (2 of which were involved release of the 17" MBP at a different time) out of a total of 18 MacBook Pro releases.

vbedia said:
Personally I don't think it's gonna happen. However given the circumstances they could update the 13" model in february and wait till summer to update the 15" model when broadwell chips will supposedly be ready.
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A split release is possible, but the historical record does not indicate that we should expect one.
 
mcarling said:
A split release is possible, but the historical record does not indicate that we should expect one.
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we haven't seen a processor architecture from Intel to be so delayed from the original schedule ever since we have intel macs ... so everything is possible
 
ygys said:
we haven't seen a processor architecture from Intel to be so delayed from the original schedule ever since we have intel macs ... so everything is possible
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It's not so much a question of what is or is not possible. It's more a question of what makes business sense for Apple. In general, we have not seen a rush by Apple to always have the latest Intel CPU in every Mac. I don't believe we've ever seen Apple update the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro at the same time. It is my expectation that Apple will first focus on updating the MacBook Air to Broadwell and only then turn their attention to the MacBook Pro. I continue to believe that the most likely time frame for a Broadwell MacBook Pro introduction is June to October.
 
mcarling said:
It is my expectation that Apple will first focus on updating the MacBook Air to Broadwell
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Because I agree we can't omit to consider the whole lineup when talking about potential release dates, what do you then think Apple will do on the Air front with Broadwell?
 
nanogirl21 said:
What is the difference between Skylike and Broadwell?
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Skylake is the generation of processor that follows Broadwell. Broadwell is a 'tick' meaning it is a die shrink improvement over Haswell which results in better power efficiency. Skylake is a 'tock' meaning there is will have new architecture resulting in better performance than Broadwell.

Skylake is supposed to support things like wireless charging and wireless data transfer such wirelessly feeding a display.
 
Vanilla Face said:
Skylake is the generation of processor that follows Broadwell. Broadwell is a 'tick' meaning it is a die shrink improvement over Haswell which results in better power efficiency. Skylake is a 'tock' meaning there is will have new architecture resulting in better performance than Broadwell.

Skylake is supposed to support things like wireless charging and wireless data transfer such wirelessly feeding a display.
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Thanks for the info. I don’t know much about these things. I am looking into purchasing a rMBP for my father within a few months so trying to figure these things out. I always feel like I’m in a “buy now or wait another year even though you don’t know for sure if a new model is coming” situation.
 
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