I missed the event, why is the update so bad for the 15-inch? I thought everyone would be happy with the dgpu BTO option, and the increased battery life (1 hour boost is nothing to laugh at). What were you expecting?
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Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread
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I missed the event, why is the update so bad for the 15-inch? I thought everyone would be happy with the dgpu BTO option, and the increased battery life (1 hour boost is nothing to laugh at). What were you expecting?
Given that the entire point of the Haswell architecture is battery life, 1 hour in marketing—which for many is less than an hour in real world—is kind of lousy. Yesterday, you could buy an Ivy Bridge with a dGPU for $1999 from Amazon. Today, you can get a Haswell without a dGPU for the same money. CPU performance will be comparable. Given all that, I'd prefer the dGPU (even if it's the outdated 650M) in lieu of the <1 hour battery life, and I don't care about TB2.
Just to be clear, this update met my expectations in all regards other than the paltry battery life. Had we seen 9-10 hours, I would have felt pretty differently. The dGPU option is a good thing, for sure, and a pleasant surprise..but I've never bought the high-end configurations because I sell-and-rebuy every year.
Checking in here. So satisfied with my 2012 rMBP. I've had it since launch day and I still love it with the same passion. Since I do a lot of gaming (bootcamp), the 750m is barely an upgrade to mine. Haswell's battery is nice, but next year's model (high end with discrete graphics) is going to be my new baby. Apparently nVIDIA's new mobile gpu's are due for March 2014 and are going to bring extreme performance upgrades for mobile platforms. I'm pumped.
I'm waiting for broadwell, found today's update very mediocre. no display update, no decent dGPU, poor battery life increase. even the dell xps has 11.5hr battery at a lower price point. guess next year has to be a bigger update with broadwell, 4k igzo, nvidia maxwell.
I hope you are trolling... Display update? Wtf did you expect? Poor battery life increase? The battery is amazing on the 2012 and will be amazing on the new models. The 750m is a very capable gpu along with Iris Pro 5200. You must be out of your mind
I'm waiting for Benchmarks before deciding about todays announcement. If the new machines turn out to be fast I might think about one
next years upgrade will be way better, even if it only included maxwell and broadwell. That means some serious performance gains, none of this haswell nonsense.
Yea definitely. Haswell is great for the battery upgrades, but my battery is fine as is. I'm more excited for performance/gpu upgrades on the 2014 model next year.
There is nothing amazing about the 2012 model battery life. The 750m is crap, it's a low end gpu, with igzo screens going into dell, asus and other upcoming laptops, the current retina ips display is a giant battery hog.
I find it pathetic that you think a 4k display was supposed to be in this generation of Macbook Pro's.
I never said I expected this year, I said next year. The current igzo model is 3200x1800 with half the power consumption of the ips retina, there is no reason why they couldn't have used that.
First you say a Retina display is giant battery hog, then you go to express dismay that a 4K display wasn't put in. What battery are you going to use to drive those pixels exactly?
First, actually read what I typed. I made no mention of expecting a 4k display update, I expected a igzo screen because it would reduce battery consumption by half. 4k igzo is going into production q1 2014 which is why I expected it to be in the 2014 model.
you are a joker that tries to take things out of context to justify a false viewpoint.
you never made a single argument, just spewing nonsense. you will not be missed.
Your earlier post which didn't specify anything in terms of display update..
Retina IGZO in 2013 was unrealistic from the get go. I don't think there are any 16:10 retina IGZO panels available, nor does Sharp have the scale of Samsung to mass produce custom panels for Apple as of yet. They couldn't even keep up with the demand of the regular retina for iPad which forced Apple to seek other suppliers.
Consequently, I don't think 4K is happening anytime soon either.
The 750m is par for course in 2013 for this class of notebooks were you expecting a GTX 780m or something? and if you want battery life buy a MBA.
...or hurry and buy that Dell.
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I'm expecting 4k igzo about this time next year, since they are going into production roughly in feb. Was expecting a 760/765 this update, which is perfectly reasonable paired with a 4702hq(37w tdp)
His points are very valid. You're the one who is off base. I, and many others believe that this update was in absolute certainty, sub-par for the 15" retina. Thunderbolt 2 is a small commodity to most. Iris pro graphics are in many cases worse, or just barely on par with last years 650M. And if you want the optional dGPU, it's the 750M which is only 10% better than last years model. That's not an update if you ask me....
The only thing that saved this update from being complete rubbish (for the 15" only - the 13" refresh was fantastic) is the faster PCIe flash. IGZO screens were not expected by any means (obviously all signs [besides that of which spun off of dell utilizing IGZO] pointed to them not being included) but they would have been welcomed for their improvement in contrast and battery life. Even if it wasn't expected though, there was no pleasant surprise, so it's still a disappointment to some, even if was not required.
Other points to mention:
Battery life, is 1 additional hour? WTF? Phil stated himself that any MacBook that were to install Mavericks on it would gain 1 entire hour of battery life. Yet the 15" Haswell MBP only gets 1 hour added total. Does that mean the Haswell processor itself adds nothing to battery life?? I just think it's a bit pathetic to be honest. Haswell delivers such a low performance increase for a reason - because the focus is on more efficient usage i.e. battery life. Yet apple didn't even manage to make that worthwhile in this update. At least Dell had the right idea and coupled Haswell with IGZO to make it truly happen. 12 hours of battery life.
And the 720p camera. Come on. What are we in 2008? I wonder what it would have cost them? $12? $15? I wouldn't be so annoyed about that if the camera didn't suck to begin with.
Anyway I was not in the market for a MBP this year, but certainty next year. I was planning on just getting this years model right before the next refresh (as they're dirt cheap), However this debauchery will certainty have me holding out until Broadwell MBP's release and paying full price when they launch.
So... I swore up and down that I would be retiring my 2010 MBA with a Haswell rMBP 13 as soon as it became available. I went to the Apple Store several hours after the keynote had ended to buy one, not realizing they were not yet available in-store, but only online.
.... And now I think I'm on the "Wait for Broadwell" bandwagon. I expected Mavericks to run slower on my old hardware than ML did but was very surprised that this wasn't the case. So far everything seems snappier, animations are smoother, it wakes from sleep faster. In fact, this MBA hasn't run this well since SL, yet has a lot more functionality. Even running Windows 8 via Parallels has a noticeably smaller impact on overall system performance than it did on ML. I'm assuming this has a lot to do with the new memory compression feature in Mavericks.
Whatever the case may be, it seems that this free update has enough optimizations to perhaps hold me over for another generation.
.... And now I think I'm on the "Wait for Broadwell" bandwagon. I expected Mavericks to run slower on my old hardware than ML did but was very surprised that this wasn't the case. So far everything seems snappier, animations are smoother, it wakes from sleep faster. In fact, this MBA hasn't run this well since SL, yet has a lot more functionality. Even running Windows 8 via Parallels has a noticeably smaller impact on overall system performance than it did on ML. I'm assuming this has a lot to do with the new memory compression feature in Mavericks.
Whatever the case may be, it seems that this free update has enough optimizations to perhaps hold me over for another generation.
I've been reading the Waiting for Haswell thread for months, and was set on getting a 15" Haswell rMBP, but am now on the Broadwell train. Here's why..
It seems that the 15" rMBP has gained little with the Haswell processors. Apple chose the lower clocked CPUs, which are close in performance with the Ivy Bridge CPUs, yet haven't passed on any of the expected battery gains. One hour gain is what you'd expect from improvements in Mavericks alone. Unless benchmarks show otherwise, there's no indication that any additional battery life is to be gained in the iGPU-only rMBP. I wonder where Haswell's gains in efficiency have gone in the 15"?
The $200 price drop in the US has not been passed on to Australia. The maxed-out Haswell is actually $200 more than the equivalent Ivy Bridge (albeit with 1TB SSD rather than 768, but the latter is no longer available).
Also, considering that we're already four months into an assumed twelve month transition to Broadwell, I feel that next year's tech is not far away. The improvements with Mavericks make my 2007 MBP (with SSD) viable for another year.
Meanwhile, my wife is telling me to just get a new laptop already. She's sick of hearing about me continually waiting for next year's model.
It seems that the 15" rMBP has gained little with the Haswell processors. Apple chose the lower clocked CPUs, which are close in performance with the Ivy Bridge CPUs, yet haven't passed on any of the expected battery gains. One hour gain is what you'd expect from improvements in Mavericks alone. Unless benchmarks show otherwise, there's no indication that any additional battery life is to be gained in the iGPU-only rMBP. I wonder where Haswell's gains in efficiency have gone in the 15"?
The $200 price drop in the US has not been passed on to Australia. The maxed-out Haswell is actually $200 more than the equivalent Ivy Bridge (albeit with 1TB SSD rather than 768, but the latter is no longer available).
Also, considering that we're already four months into an assumed twelve month transition to Broadwell, I feel that next year's tech is not far away. The improvements with Mavericks make my 2007 MBP (with SSD) viable for another year.
Meanwhile, my wife is telling me to just get a new laptop already. She's sick of hearing about me continually waiting for next year's model.