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Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

Hilarious. People in this thread had insane expectations for Broadwell and now cry when they don't happen.

Have fun waiting over a year for Broadwell. This wait will never end for you guys. Meanwhile, I am enjoying a very powerful and capable Haswell 15inch rmbp.:p
 
I don't see anybody crying. Speaking for myself, I'm just trying to make rational decisions for my computer needs, taking into consideration how well my currenct machine serves me, features and prices of what's out now, and other priorities in life. Enjoy your Haswell. :)
 
I was gearing up for Haswell. Then I got a June 2012 15" rMbp from work. Given this freebie loaner, I will wait for Broadwell. But I would like to go back to a 13". I don't use a dGPU (at least not often), and would rather a cooler system than a power beast.
It's going to be a loooong ride on this thread, but I'm in.
 
It will indeed be a long wait to broadwell. My only hope is that NVidia puts in some work for a mid-level dGPU that Apple can take advantage with their Maxwell lineup. If not, I fear Apple will go all iGPU next year. For good or for bad. I'm sire we'll find out more this upcoming spring when NVidia releases more details on their chips.

Also, I don't see this thread really picking up activity until May-June. And maybe gaining momentum around July.
 
Ohhh... it'll gain "some" momentum before the WWDC, book it ;) Wonder if Apple shows us Broadwell Airs then, if so rMBP's won't be far away ;) Pair it with IGZO and im set for the next 5-6 years :)
 
Hello guys. I also decided to wait for Broadwell rMBR, was waiting for Haswell rMBR for 8 months but just found this Haswell refresh was too minor. Maybe I'll buy that rumored 12' Broadwell Macbook Air Retina if it appear on next WWDC, while waiting for Broadwell rMBR, who knows xD
 
I too had big expectations of the Haswell rMBP and just a PCIe SSD and a slight improvement in battery (I know it also has TB2 but would not benefit from it right now) is not enough for me, unless can get a refurbished or used machine in a couple of months for a great price.

So, to me the Haswell rMBP is just like the Iphone 5s:


-Rather than buying the Iphone 5s, I would rather wait for the Iphone 6 since already have an Iphone 5

-Rather than buying the Haswell rMBP would rather wait for the Broadwell IGZO rMBP since already have a 2012 rMBP !
 
AdolfCaesar said:
The current igzo model is 3200x1800 with half the power consumption of the ips retina, there is no reason why they couldn't have used that.
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There are very good reasons why Apple did not change the displays on the Haswell rMBPs from those used on the Ivy Bridge rMBPs: cost and risk. Using the same displays helped to keep costs down and allow for the $200 lower base prices. Any switch to a different display technology (or even provider) would have added a whole new category of production risk, threatening Apple's ability to meet demand during the critical holiday peak shopping season. The current displays are excellent and, in my opinion, any change this year would have been double stupid.
 
AdolfCaesar said:
I never said I expected this year, I said next year. The current igzo model is 3200x1800 with half the power consumption of the ips retina, there is no reason why they couldn't have used that.
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There's a perfectly good reason. Its a 16:9 screen not the 16:10 which Apple uses. It also forces Apple to increase screen size to 15.6" instead of the current 15.4"
 
I'll try to make some predictions about the Broadwell MBPs. Obviously, they will have Broadwell CPUs. The process shrink from 22nm to 14nm means that Intel will be able to pack twice as many transistors into the same die area. In theory, that means Intel could double everything: number of cores, cache sizes, number of execution units, etc. In reality, Intel will almost certainly make the dies a bit smaller in order to keep yields up (and costs down) and to reduce power consumption. Thus the increase in transistors might be somewhere in the area of 50%, on average.

What would Intel do with roughly about 50% more transistors? Generally, add execution units, increase cache sizes, and probably go from dual-core to quad-core for the 28W variants.

So, here are my predictions for the Broadwell MBPs:
- Broadwell CPUs (certain)
- Drop the remaining 13" cMBP (nearly certain)
- Improve battery life (nearly certain)
- Increase the base DRAM from 4GB to 8GB (probable)
- Upgrade from 1600MHz DDR3 to 1866MHz DDR3 (probable)
- Release date between 1 June and 15 November 2014 (probable)
- Offer a quad-core 13" model (probable)
- Drop the discrete GPU completely (probable)
- L3 cache sizes ranging from 4MB to 8MB (probable)
- Increase the base SSD from 128GB to 256GB (maybe)
- Upgrade from HDMI 1.4 to 2.0 (maybe)
- Upgrade from USB 3.0 to 3.1 (maybe)
- Upgrade the 720p FaceTime camera to 1080p (maybe)
- Offer a 32GB DRAM BTO option for the 15" model (unlikely)
- Change the displays in any way (unlikely)
- Offer an SSD more capacious than 1TB (unlikely)
- Changes in dimensions or weight (unlikely)
- DDR4 (no)
- Touch ID (no)
 
mcarling said:
I'll try to make some predictions about the Broadwell MBPs. Obviously, they will have Broadwell CPUs. The process shrink from 22nm to 14nm means that Intel will be able to pack twice as many transistors into the same die area. In theory, that means Intel could double everything: number of cores, cache sizes, number of execution units, etc. In reality, Intel will almost certainly make the dies a bit smaller in order to keep yields up (and costs down) and to reduce power consumption. Thus the increase in transistors might be somewhere in the area of 50%, on average.

What would Intel do with roughly about 50% more transistors? Generally, add execution units, increase cache sizes, and probably go from dual-core to quad-core for the 28W variants.

So, here are my predictions for the Broadwell MBPs:
- Broadwell CPUs (certain)
- Drop the remaining 13" cMBP (nearly certain)
- Improve battery life (nearly certain)
- Increase the base DRAM from 4GB to 8GB (probable)
- Upgrade from 1600MHz DDR3 to 1866MHz DDR3 (probable)
- Release date between 1 June and 15 November 2014 (probable)
- Offer a quad-core 13" model (probable)
- Drop the discrete GPU completely (probable)
- L3 cache sizes ranging from 4MB to 8MB (probable)
- Increase the base SSD from 128GB to 256GB (maybe)
- Upgrade from HDMI 1.4 to 2.0 (maybe)
- Upgrade from USB 3.0 to 3.1 (maybe)
- Upgrade the 720p FaceTime camera to 1080p (maybe)
- Offer a 32GB DRAM BTO option for the 15" model (unlikely)
- Change the displays in any way (unlikely)
- Offer an SSD more capacious than 1TB (unlikely)
- Changes in dimensions or weight (unlikely)
- DDR4 (no)
- Touch ID (no)
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You forgot that they will improve integrated graphics again with Broadwell. :rolleyes: I'm guessing you're basing the exclusion of Touch ID on the fact that Apple excluded it from the new iPads, and therefore would only use them on next year's iPads so as to not constrain supplies even more than they are currently of the Touch ID fingerprint sensor.
 
mcarling said:
I'll try to make some predictions about the Broadwell MBPs. Obviously, they will have Broadwell CPUs. The process shrink from 22nm to 14nm means that Intel will be able to pack twice as many transistors into the same die area. In theory, that means Intel could double everything: number of cores, cache sizes, number of execution units, etc. In reality, Intel will almost certainly make the dies a bit smaller in order to keep yields up (and costs down) and to reduce power consumption. Thus the increase in transistors might be somewhere in the area of 50%, on average.

What would Intel do with roughly about 50% more transistors? Generally, add execution units, increase cache sizes, and probably go from dual-core to quad-core for the 28W variants.

So, here are my predictions for the Broadwell MBPs:
- Broadwell CPUs (certain)
- Drop the remaining 13" cMBP (nearly certain)
- Improve battery life (nearly certain)
- Increase the base DRAM from 4GB to 8GB (probable)
- Upgrade from 1600MHz DDR3 to 1866MHz DDR3 (probable)
- Release date between 1 June and 15 November 2014 (probable)
- Offer a quad-core 13" model (probable)
- Drop the discrete GPU completely (probable)
- L3 cache sizes ranging from 4MB to 8MB (probable)
- Increase the base SSD from 128GB to 256GB (maybe)
- Upgrade from HDMI 1.4 to 2.0 (maybe)
- Upgrade from USB 3.0 to 3.1 (maybe)
- Upgrade the 720p FaceTime camera to 1080p (maybe)
- Offer a 32GB DRAM BTO option for the 15" model (unlikely)
- Change the displays in any way (unlikely)
- Offer an SSD more capacious than 1TB (unlikely)
- Changes in dimensions or weight (unlikely)
- DDR4 (no)
- Touch ID (no)
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So you don't forsee IZGO ?
 
mcarling said:
I'll try to make some predictions about the Broadwell MBPs. Obviously, they will have Broadwell CPUs. The process shrink from 22nm to 14nm means that Intel will be able to pack twice as many transistors into the same die area. In theory, that means Intel could double everything: number of cores, cache sizes, number of execution units, etc. In reality, Intel will almost certainly make the dies a bit smaller in order to keep yields up (and costs down) and to reduce power consumption. Thus the increase in transistors might be somewhere in the area of 50%, on average.

What would Intel do with roughly about 50% more transistors? Generally, add execution units, increase cache sizes, and probably go from dual-core to quad-core for the 28W variants.

So, here are my predictions for the Broadwell MBPs:
- Broadwell CPUs (certain)
- Drop the remaining 13" cMBP (nearly certain)
- Improve battery life (nearly certain)
- Increase the base DRAM from 4GB to 8GB (probable)
- Upgrade from 1600MHz DDR3 to 1866MHz DDR3 (probable)
- Release date between 1 June and 15 November 2014 (probable)
- Offer a quad-core 13" model (probable)
- Drop the discrete GPU completely (probable)
- L3 cache sizes ranging from 4MB to 8MB (probable)
- Increase the base SSD from 128GB to 256GB (maybe)
- Upgrade from HDMI 1.4 to 2.0 (maybe)
- Upgrade from USB 3.0 to 3.1 (maybe)
- Upgrade the 720p FaceTime camera to 1080p (maybe)
- Offer a 32GB DRAM BTO option for the 15" model (unlikely)
- Change the displays in any way (unlikely)
- Offer an SSD more capacious than 1TB (unlikely)
- Changes in dimensions or weight (unlikely)
- DDR4 (no)
- Touch ID (no)
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I was assuming Intel would have to go back up to 35W for quad-core CPUs in the 13-inch, but that'd be great if it can remain 28W.

I'm hoping we see IGZO next year. Otherwise the Broadwell refresh will be quite smaller than what people are going to be expecting.
 
PDFierro said:
I was assuming Intel would have to go back up to 35W for quad-core CPUs in the 13-inch, but that'd be great if it can remain 28W.
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There is no reason to expect Broadwell CPUs to have the same power consumption as Haswell CPUs. Intel now offer a 37W quad-core 2.2GHz Haswell CPU with 6MB L3 cache and HD4600 graphics. I expect a range of quad-core Broadwell CPUs with graphics at least somewhat better than Iris 5100 HD graphics and at least 4MB of L3 cache to be somewhere near 30W -- suitable for the 13" rMBP. Clockrate might be as low as 2.0GHz to keep power consumption down.

PDFierro said:
I'm hoping we see IGZO next year. Otherwise the Broadwell refresh will be quite smaller than what people are going to be expecting.
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It's possible, but it will depend on yields and prices. The iPad Air is reportedly IPS, not IGZO. If either the iPad Air or the Retina iPad mini turns out to have IGZO, then I will revise my assessment.
 
So guys what will be discussed here for about one year? On the haswell thread it was dGPU vs iGPU (in the end everyone got the one he/she wanted) and: "apple stuff is more expensive in my country than yours"
And of course IGZO, but I guess that word will be part of discussions for at least 2 years now :)
 
Not sure why people are clamoring for Igzo - power savings is nice, but so far we've seen it in a yucky 16:9 format. 16:10 is what you want to get real work done.
 
Kariya said:
There's a perfectly good reason. Its a 16:9 screen not the 16:10 which Apple uses. It also forces Apple to increase screen size to 15.6" instead of the current 15.4"
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If Apple goes 16:9 with the broadwell rMBP, I'll be buying a reurb Haswell rMBP 15 next year at a significant discount to replace my Ivy Bridge rMBP 15. I hate hate hate 16:9 screens (yes, MBA 11 has one but it's stuck to a TBD a majority of the time). One of the reasons why I went mac 5 years ago as pretty much all Windows laptops are 16:9.
 
The Leafs Fan said:
Well, you didn't state it specifically anywhere in that post.
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I explicitly talked about Intel adding execution units (which are the principal component of any GPU). If you want to hammer me for not explicitly mentioning an important part of a MBP, you could hammer me for not mentioning the keyboard or the trackpad.
 
Haswell is probably the last generation with a dedicated video card. I think this is the gen to get.

The next gen, intel will probably match a 750m in opengl rendering. I doubt it will exceed it by much, if anything. However, their driver support will probably continue to be horrible.
 
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