Why would that be? Maxwell is 2 times faster than the current gen GPU's while Intel is looking to improve the GPU by 40% with Broadwell. So the gap is increasing.
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Why would that be? Maxwell is 2 times faster than the current gen GPU's while Intel is looking to improve the GPU by 40% with Broadwell. So the gap is increasing.
I know what execution units are, but I don't see that anywhere in your post. Edit: Whoops, I only read the list of what your predictions are, and I skimmed through the first paragraph. Technically. I was right because it wasn't in your predictions list specifically. Sorry though, I wasn't trying to hammer you about anything.
Because Apple likely only included the 750M option because the iGPU is worse than a 650M from the previous gen. There is an expectation from consumers that the next gen at least has the option to equal/surpass the previous one. Once iGPU catches up to the 750M, that expectation of consumers will be met.
I think upgrading the MBA to Retina is a much higher priority for Apple than tweaking the already excellent MBP Retina displays. I also think Apple will offer a 4K desktop Retina display before they tweak the MBP displays.
Hindsight
In my endless quest for worthless knowledge, I revisited AnandTech's review of the original Retina MacBook Pro (2012). The following passage jumped out at me:
"In our performance investigations I mentioned that compared to an upgraded Sandy Bridge MacBook Pro (high clocks with SSD), you wont see tremendous performance gains from the rMBP. A quick look around Apples website actually shows not even a single CPU bound performance comparison between the rMBP and last years MacBook Pro.
The logical thing to do, if youre the owner of a recent (2010/2011) MacBook Pro, is to wait until next year at the minimum. Haswell should bring a significant performance increase (particularly on the processor graphics front) and youll get it in the same chassis as what you see today."
I see this as a valuable lesson with regards to our tendency to look at the world through next-gen-coloured glasses.
In my endless quest for worthless knowledge, I revisited AnandTech's review of the original Retina MacBook Pro (2012). The following passage jumped out at me:
"In our performance investigations I mentioned that compared to an upgraded Sandy Bridge MacBook Pro (high clocks with SSD), you wont see tremendous performance gains from the rMBP. A quick look around Apples website actually shows not even a single CPU bound performance comparison between the rMBP and last years MacBook Pro.
The logical thing to do, if youre the owner of a recent (2010/2011) MacBook Pro, is to wait until next year at the minimum. Haswell should bring a significant performance increase (particularly on the processor graphics front) and youll get it in the same chassis as what you see today."
I see this as a valuable lesson with regards to our tendency to look at the world through next-gen-coloured glasses.
Not really. If Apple sticks to dedicated GPU's, the next gen rMBP will have a major GPU boost (around 100%). Also it appears that Broadwell is 30% more energy effecient than Haswell due to 14nm die shrink.
However if Apple does an early refresh of Haswell with the Maxwell GPU (around April 2014), then Haswell + Maxwell GPU is a very nice rMBP in terms of performance.
I'm perhaps thinking about skipping the current Haswell hoping that Apple will provide an updated Haswell rMBP with Maxwell graphics in April 2014. Broadwell is delayed and I'm not sure about waiting that long.
that will truly interesting those magic gpus
I take its going to be latter, clear indication being the 20nm mishap in TSMC
the clear indication is the r9 290x
That's a wild fantasy. The writing is on the wall. Apple are moving away from discrete GPUs along with the rest of the industry. At the end of 2014, the Mac Pro might be the only Mac available with a discrete GPU -- though there is still a chance for a iMac to have a discrete GPU into 2015.
your not getting the full picture of what Anand tried to say. He described it better in the video review;
He says here; http://youtu.be/94OenZ71ADY?t=33m31s
its a question of when. And he mentions broadwell as well. He is right - if you bought a ivy bridge laptop, haswell doesn't make as much sense. If you had a sandy bridge or previous, it makes sense.
Broadwell will hopefully be meaningful for people like me who got the amazing ivy + kepler. its the best fusion of intel and nvidia I have ever seen thanks to boths focus on power savings and heat reduction. haswell was about battery, and broadwell will bring more performance back into it.
Intel propaganda is cute'n all but the "entire" industry is not moving away from integrated graphics.
Intel wants to kill Nvidia. They want their graphics business. It would be a lot more worth it for them. They have been saying this kind of stuff since the netbook days. But from Adobe to computer games to even web applications, there has become a more-and-more reliance on taking use of GPU compute
If you want to know more about it check this out; http://www.nvidia.com/object/what-is-gpu-computing.html
But I can tell you that a lot of games in the future as well as adobes suite will use it more and more for things like shaders.
These are the types of games coming down in the pipeline soon; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbFBEjlKtpY
Apple is in a bit of a rut here. On the surface they are not known for gaming, but gaming has become so massive in the last few years. GTA5 launch beats all previous entertainment records. it surpasses movies. This forum has been on fire the last 6 months over GPU GPU GPU GPU. They know gaming matters. It's not gaming machines, it will never be, but they know its important. And with how fast it's progressed, they can't drop the GPU.
Maxwell will further take down the power and heat. They will meet the demand of more powerful performance system in lighter thinner mobile devices.
I doubt Iris Pro will even run GTA5 when it lands on PC. I don't know, but I don't think so. I think the fidelity in it, will really push it.
I guess the point I'm making is that it's easy to get carried away speculating about "the next great CPU" and lose sight of the fact that, in real-world terms, almost every refresh/update results in a 10-15% bump in performance no matter how promising it looks from the outset. People expected big things from Haswell--and I guess you could argue Apple's engineers did some great stuff with it in terms of the Air's battery life--but it's hardly a revolution.
And as I understand it, Broadwell is meant to bring greater efficiency under heavy CPU loads, which will be great for doing heavy lifting on battery power. Will it also bring a significant bump in CPU speeds? Remains to be seen, but I'm playing it safe from now on and keeping expectations nice and low.
Personally, I think the best way to really "feel" a refresh is to wait 4+ years between MBP purchases. But I realize not everyone has that kind of willpower.
It looks like, from the Linux open-source drivers for Broadwell, that we should expect some big graphics improvements this year, according to http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_broadwell_linux&num=1
I wonder if LTE might become a thing. It was rumored to be in the 2013 model; http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5148...2013-features-4g-lte-support.htm#.UngPSvlWxcY
I for one would love LTE. Still to many places without wifi, and even those with wifi can sometimes be annoyingly difficult to access.
Look at this from a BF4 benchmark:
its pretty amazing as system ram speed have not had any real impact for a long time. we're finally seeing games taking more advantage of higher speeds!!
I for one would love LTE. Still to many places without wifi, and even those with wifi can sometimes be annoyingly difficult to access.
Look at this from a BF4 benchmark:
its pretty amazing as system ram speed have not had any real impact for a long time. we're finally seeing games taking more advantage of higher speeds!!
IGZO was implemented in the iPad Air, according to DisplayMate (https://www.macrumors.com/2013/11/0...-technology-for-thinner-lower-power-displays/) . Obviously the next step would be implementing IGZO technology in the rmbps. Therefore, IGZO should be bumped up to very likely on the list.
Whoa. Mind = semi-blown.
I can't believe there was no fanfare given to this "new, cutting-edge IGZO display technology" at the keynote...
Yeah, it's pretty weird that the way we found out about this is through a display expert, not Apple itself.
What about a 13" with a GPU? To kinda separate the Macbook Pro from the Air once the Air got that Retina Display. Also a quad core i7 upgrade would be nice.(13")
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That would be nice but you know apple
, I'm hoping that the base 13" model will get 8 gigs of ram not 4 I have a 13" 2012 classic MBP that I purchased in April this year, I will probably replace it in 2014.
My hopes for the broadwell rMBP 13" are that we get an SKU with:
Quad core would be nice too, but I'm not greedy
My hopes for the broadwell rMBP 13" are that we get an SKU with:
- Iris Pro graphics
- Screen resolution of 2880X1800
Quad core would be nice too, but I'm not greedy
That's because its not the best quality display tech on the market. The Kindle Fire HDX uses Low Temperature Poly Silicon LCD which is technically of higher quality than IGZO. However, it's more expensive to make and has lower yields where IGZO is much easier and cheaper to transition existing manufacturing lines to.
I have a 13" 2012 classic MBP that I purchased in April this year, I will probably replace it in 2014.
My hopes for the broadwell rMBP 13" are that we get an SKU with:
- Iris Pro graphics
- Screen resolution of 2880X1800
Quad core would be nice too, but I'm not greedy
No reason they are going to put a 2880x1800 pannel in the 13" rMBP since the current 2560x1600 pannel already exceeds the 15" rMBP's pixel density. Only reason for a 2880x1800 is if their source (ie: Samsung, LG, etc.) starts making 2880x1800 panels only. Quad core...meh....I think if they ever went Quad-core for the 13" it would be no where near the clock speed of a quad core on a 15", maybe like a Quad-Core i5 at 1.9 to 2.2GHz but clock speed and performance ratio depend on system architecture of course. Personally I think when/if we see 6-core processors in the 15" model the top end 13" model will get a decent quad-core. It could be a while though.
I read that part too. It seems like Apple would at least mention though. It's not like Apple hasn't highlighted the advantages of something of lesser quality than a component of a competitor's product before
.I read that part too. It seems like Apple would at least mention though. It's not like Apple hasn't highlighted the advantages of something of lesser quality than a component of a competitor's product before
Might have something to do with the product line they put it in--the iPad crowd, to generalize, aren't going to be popping life-ending boners over the word "IGZO" the way MPBers might. (Apologies for my use of PG-13 language.) Especially if there is no recognizable difference between the two display technologies apart from brightness and battery savings.
I know, but I meant somewhere on the iPad page Apple should mention IGZO when they talk about battery life, ie. "With the breathtaking new iPad Air, we've managed to reduce the weight and width by an outstanding 20%, all thanks to the new power-efficient A7 64-bit processor and the innovative and cutting-edge IGZO technology we've deployed in the iPad Air."