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Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

ssd sizes in next gen 15"?

What are peoples' thoughts on an increase in max drive space on the next 15" rev? 1.5 or 2TB possible with the newer high density chips that are out there? Or rather, is Apple likely to offer that much space, or are they firmly planted in external/icloud storage land now?

I just tried stuffing a second 1TB SSD in my 2011 MBP, only to find out SATA-3 no worky in the optibay on this model, and though for a moment I considered getting a 2012 model on eBay to do this, I'm realizing that's stupid if the next gen is only a few months away (hopefully) and may solve this problem for me.

I'll miss my antiglare screen though.
 
fastasleep said:
What are peoples' thoughts on an increase in max drive space on the next 15" rev? 1.5 or 2TB possible with the newer high density chips that are out there? Or rather, is Apple likely to offer that much space, or are they firmly planted in external/icloud storage land now?
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With 1TB max on the 13", 2TB is definitely doable on the 15". But it would cost a fortune (around $1000 extra).
 
fastasleep said:
What are peoples' thoughts on an increase in max drive space on the next 15" rev? 1.5 or 2TB possible with the newer high density chips that are out there? Or rather, is Apple likely to offer that much space, or are they firmly planted in external/icloud storage land now?
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I think it will depend a lot on how many customers are choosing the 1TB BTO option now. If it's very popular, Apple might offer a 1.5TB BTO option.
 
mcarling said:
Build-to-order costs more than a base configuration. In other words, a base configuration is a better deal. There is an extra cost to build-to-order beyond merely the cost of the parts. Inventory management is non-trivial.
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You are most likely correct and have a point. However, given that this is Apple, I doubt that costs will deter them from doing something that they want (the 5K iMac is an example), and their product margins are quite high.


mcarling said:
I think the risk is more than 10% higher. 0.1% is not a serious estimate.
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Once again, I made a mistake. I did some research and found that Apple's laptop failure rates over a three year period is around 17% (I assumed it was far lower). A 10% increase, to 18.7%, would probably be a better estimate than mine (unless you mean a 10% point increase, which would be 27%?). However, it is still not something that is going to affect the average consumer, and we really have no data about this since companies are not likely reveal it.[/QUOTE]


mcarling said:
As far as I know, only Apple are actively switching between integrated and discrete GPUs based on load.
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Uh ... Nope. That is not the case. Practically every single laptop in the world with a dGPU also has an iGPU and switches actively between the two based on load.


mcarling said:
Wait and see. I predict that no Skylake MBP will come with a discrete GPU.
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I'm not saying that this is what Apple will do; I'm trying to make an argument for why Apple really should keep dGPUs (for the time being) and, maybe, just maybe, put them back in the low end model - though I'm nearly sure this won't happen.

If I had to make a prediction, I'd say that the Broadwell 15'' will come with an updated GTX 950M (which has a 45 watt TDP; lower than the 750M), and in the next big redesign they might get rid of the dGPU - IF Skylake provides a solid performance gain that is more than Broadwell's meagre boost.
 
Teuthos said:
I'm not saying that this is what Apple will do; I'm trying to make an argument for why Apple really should keep dGPUs (for the time being) and, maybe, just maybe, put them back in the low end model - though I'm nearly sure this won't happen.

If I had to make a prediction, I'd say that the Broadwell 15'' will come with an updated GTX 950M (which has a 45 watt TDP; lower than the 750M), and in the next big redesign they might get rid of the dGPU - IF Skylake provides a solid performance gain that is more than Broadwell's meagre boost.
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You seem to be making an argument about why you (or any customer might) want Apple to continue to offer a discrete GPU, not about why Apple might want to.
 
mcarling said:
You seem to be making an argument about why you (or any customer might) want Apple to continue to offer a discrete GPU, not about why Apple might want to.
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mcarling said:
I am reluctant to invest USD1600-2200 in a computer with a discrete GPU because I cannot sustain a reasonable expectation it would run at all in 5 years.
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mcarling, your doing the exact same thing as him:) it is easy to tell from the majority of your posts, your personal disliking for dgpu:s, hence your always arguing against it. The only diffrence is that you always base your arguments on what you think Apple will do.

I predict that Apple will keep the dgpu when Skylake arrives:)
 
As things stand unless we see a leak for Broadwell-H by the end of the month, it looks like it's been cancelled.

Assuming Skylake-H isn't released in early fall, I'm curious what y'all think they'll put in the updated 15. They could just do a price cut, possibly with an increase in SSD size and speed.

It seems unlikely that it will get an updated GPU without Skylake.
I for one really want an upgraded discreet GPU, but the thing I'm really waiting on is Thunderbolt 3.0 (comes with Skylake) so I can hook up my spare r9 290.
 
Macaman said:
mcarling, your doing the exact same thing as him:)
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The difference is that I try to be explicit about what I want versus what I think Apple will do (for their own reasons).

Macaman said:
it is easy to tell from the majority of your posts, your personal disliking for dgpu:s, hence your always arguing against it.
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I don't have any specific dislike of discrete GPUs, rather I have a general dislike of discrete circuits. Integrated circuits, and ever increasing integration, are the vector of progress.

Macaman said:
The only diffrence is that you always base your arguments on what you think Apple will do.
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No, not always. See above.

Macaman said:
I predict that Apple will keep the dgpu when Skylake arrives:)
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Good luck with that. :)
 
ImpulseStrike00 said:
As things stand unless we see a leak for Broadwell-H by the end of the month, it looks like it's been cancelled.

Assuming Skylake-H isn't released in early fall, I'm curious what y'all think they'll put in the updated 15. They could just do a price cut, possibly with an increase in SSD size and speed.

It seems unlikely that it will get an updated GPU without Skylake.
I for one really want an upgraded discreet GPU, but the thing I'm really waiting on is Thunderbolt 3.0 (comes with Skylake) so I can hook up my spare r9 290.
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They probably won't update it till then.
 
Oh man do I hope Apple at least does something with the 15" this summer.
Force Touch?
Quicker SSD?
Broadwell-H?
New GPU?
Price cut?

Just do something!
I've been preparing to be ready for a purchase at the exact moment the 15" is updated.
Even sold my old Macbook AND my "gaming" Windows laptop from my studying years.
Living of my ageing iPad 2 these days, like a TRAMP!

-Tramp as in the scruffy men who wandered across the U.S. in days gone by, not as in a derogatory description of a promiscuous woman, mind you.
 
the big question

Wonder what decision Tim Cook will make on the intel processors and when?
Would guess there will be an interim 15" update of some kind mirroring the 13" early 2015 updates. :apple:

The question then is will they bypass Broadwell and go with Skylake? :cool:

Then in 2016 a new 13" and 15" design with Skylake in each; two and four processors respectively.

I'm waiting for Wryrake! ;)
 
Macbook pro 15" now or wait for Broadwell/Skylake?

I will be starting College in early September, and I really want to get a 15" Macbook pro before I go. I had thought for the past few months that Apple would be updating their 15" model at WWDC in June to Broadwell and all of the newest specs, however, I have heard that they might be waiting for Skylake. Does anyone know or think that they will update the 15 inch model before August/September time? And if not, do you think it's worth getting the current 15" model in July? Thanks.
 
Going from 13' Haswell to 15' Skylake in 2016.

I love my July 2014 13' Macbook Pro (512GB SSD/8GB RAM), bought a refurbished one along with a 15% Apple discount from a friend who works in the retail - but I was floored when I saw that the highest end 13' MBP, when configured with an i7/512GB SSD/16GB RAM is ONLY $100 LESS than a similarly configured 15' (base 2.2GHz quad core i7/16GB RAM/512GB SSD).

Apple and Intel are out of their damn mind for sub-15' laptop prices. This is just insane. Not only do I get a bigger screen with the 15' rMBP, I get a quad core. For $100 more.

And look, I actually prefer the 13' rMBP size to the 15' rMBP. But not enough to justify only having two cores vs. four cores, and $100 less. That's insane. I only own my laptops two years (with a new one every other iteration) before selling them on eBay (I'm a dev, and this is my primary tool. I like up-to-date tools that don't lag with the newest OS X revision, I'm resigned to Apple going overboard with the UI nonsense and anything over 2 years old starting to show it's age)
 
Yuddy said:
I will be starting College in early September, and I really want to get a 15" Macbook pro before I go. I had thought for the past few months that Apple would be updating their 15" model at WWDC in June to Broadwell and all of the newest specs, however, I have heard that they might be waiting for Skylake. Does anyone know or think that they will update the 15 inch model before August/September time? And if not, do you think it's worth getting the current 15" model in July? Thanks.
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My guess is that there won't be a new 15" by the time school starts. You see people say that Apple is skipping Broadwell and then you see people say Skylake won't be ready late 2015 or even 2016, so no one really knows. Maybe something will happen at WWDC. But why not just get the 13" for college? As a student, I'm sure you'd really appreciate the smaller footprint and the lighter weight. Plus, with the 2015 13" just released, now's a good time to buy, and you'd have something to use now until then, too.
 
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Ovedius said:
Oh man do I hope Apple at least does something with the 15" this summer.
Force Touch?
Quicker SSD?
Broadwell-H?
New GPU?
Price cut?
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Later in the summer, when Broadwell-H parts are shipping in quantity, Apple could (and I expect probably will) ship an updated MBP which would include Force Touch, Faster SSD, and either an updated discrete GPU at the same price point or a hefty price reduction and no discrete GPU.

uptownnyc said:
They could do what they did with the iMac a few years back ... release a Late 2015 15-inch that actually ships in volume by 2016.
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That was a disaster. The iMac missed out on the peak shopping season. Apple will not repeat that mistake.
 
mcarling said:
Later in the summer, when Broadwell-H parts are shipping in quantity, Apple could (and I expect probably will) ship an updated MBP which would include Force Touch, Faster SSD, and either an updated discrete GPU at the same price point or a hefty price reduction and no discrete GPU.


That was a disaster. The iMac missed out on the peak shopping season. Apple will not repeat that mistake.
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Nothing I have read says Broadwell-H ships in the summer.
 
uptownnyc said:
I thought it was possible with the 2011 MBPs. I'm super tight on space on my 256gb SSD in an early 2011.
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I believe the optibay runs on sata 2 so while slower it would still be much faster than any HDD if you decide to swap the DVD drive for SSD.
 
capitanbuzo said:
Nothing I have read says Broadwell-H ships in the summer.
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Intel have said Broadwell-H will ship in summer 2015. Intel have never retracted or in any way backed away from that.
https://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/09/broadwell-early-to-mid-2015/
http://wccftech.com/intel-broadwell-processors-delayed-arriving-july-2015/
http://www.kitguru.net/components/c...r-end-broadwell-chips-to-july-september-2015/

The rumor that Broadwell-H might be cancelled seems to have originated here. It is pure speculation and not supported by the actual statements made by Intel.
http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...-corporation-just-cancel-broadwell-h-and.aspx

If Intel were not going to be shipping Broadwell-H this summer, it would have been cancelled many months ago and it would be news announced by Intel, not speculation on a rumor site.
 
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