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I'm discounting a July release for the following reasons.

1. The leaked benchmarks show the MacBook Pro running OS X Mavericks. Mavericks won't be out until at least September, and Mavericks is only in beta 3 not anywhere close to the GM beta or final release. Also no benchmarks show them running Mountain Lion, and Mavericks won't be out until at least September, so in order for a good sign, one benchmark would have to show it running Mountain Lion.

2. No leaked SKU's as of now.

3. No signs of shortages at resellers.

I really want a July release but I think the chances of it happening next week are quite slim.

I think September-October is looking better now for a release. Makes a lot more sense than a release next week does.
 
boombox15 said:
I'm discounting a July release for the following reasons.

1. The leaked benchmarks show the MacBook Pro running OS X Mavericks. Mavericks won't be out until at least September, and Mavericks is only in beta 3 not anywhere close to the GM beta or final release. Also no benchmarks show them running Mountain Lion, and Mavericks won't be out until at least September, so in order for a good sign, one benchmark would have to show it running Mountain Lion.

2. No leaked SKU's as of now.

3. No signs of shortages at resellers.

I really want a July release but I think the chances of it happening next week are quite slim.

I think September-October is looking better now for a release. Makes a lot more sense than a release next week does.
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I'm anticipating a July release because:

  • I WANT ONE!!! :(
The only reason someone will hire you ― is to make a profit off of your labor.
 
Do either of those sources site why they think 17" is a possibility? Just strange...people can say anything and it becomes gospel
 
Covert-Panda said:
I really doubt that there will be a 17inch rMBP. Sometime I seriously question the apple rumour mill...
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I agree.
It would be seriously strange if they went back to the 17" market.
A market that is just about dead outside of gaming "laptops".
Also a 17" rMBP would cost serious cashish. Making the target audience even smaller.
 
Unless they want to be the first with a 4K Notebook. I mean Apple does like being the first at stuff. Gives them something to harp on about in presentations.

I'd love a 17" RMBP at any price.
 
Quu said:
Unless they want to be the first with a 4K Notebook. I mean Apple does like being the first at stuff. Gives them something to harp on about in presentations.

I'd love a 17" RMBP at any price.
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Until Google comes out with the Chromebook Pixel Plus.
 
boombox15 said:
I'm discounting a July release for the following reasons.

1. The leaked benchmarks show the MacBook Pro running OS X Mavericks. Mavericks won't be out until at least September, and Mavericks is only in beta 3 not anywhere close to the GM beta or final release. Also no benchmarks show them running Mountain Lion, and Mavericks won't be out until at least September, so in order for a good sign, one benchmark would have to show it running Mountain Lion.

2. No leaked SKU's as of now.

3. No signs of shortages at resellers.

I really want a July release but I think the chances of it happening next week are quite slim.

I think September-October is looking better now for a release. Makes a lot more sense than a release next week does.
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Absolutely none of those are signs. Whatever employee Geekbench'ed the machine wasn't supposed to do it. This wasn't a "test." That a single anecdotal data point comes from running Mavericks does not mean that the machine won't be released with Mountain Lion. You see all kinds of Mavericks benchmarks up there. By your logic, those machines wouldn't be shipping with ML anymore.

As for leaked SKUs, those usually only come about a day or so before a release. And they don't always come.

And as for reseller supply, we've seen tons of launches without supply being constrained. That supply is abundant is potentially as much a sign of low demand as anything.

The only thing you can bet on with this release is that it will be "Shipping Today" when it comes out. I'd be surprised if it comes out as late as October. That's a long time from now--more than long enough to deal with any part shortages. This isn't going to be like the rMBP launch a year ago. Supply will be stronger, and demand will be weaker. Both of those point to earlier release schedules.
 
Then here's a sign for you: Apple is waiting for the Intel Core i7 4750HQ to be released so that they can put it in the base configuration.

Yeah, that's the low-end Iris Pro CPU. 4850HQ and 4950HQ have already been released. For some reason, Intel is taking its sweet time with the 4750HQ.

Source of info:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/19

The i7-4950HQ and i7-4850HQ are the only two Iris Pro 5200 parts launching today. A slower 2GHz i7-4750HQ will follow sometime in Q3.
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Q3 would point to it being after August.

And if you have to ask why wait, then it's just the usual...

Apple needs 3 CPUs: 1 low-end, 1 mid-end, and 1 high-end.

Low-end goes into base config.
Mid-end goes into high config.
High-end is a BTO option.

Judging from the fact that Intel database has only 3 Iris Pro CPUs (seriously!), there's really no other that Apple can put into the base config.
 
redsoxaa said:
Q3 is July 1- September 30. We are already in Q3.
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Yeah, so they're only releasing the CPUs now.

It takes time to ship to OEMs (Apple included).

Assuming Apple already received those CPUs from Intel, that means they can only start production now.

If they only start production now, you can bet they won't be launching new computers any time soon... and it'll take months before they have enough volume for immediate launch.

So a September/October release time frame is more reasonable. Plus it allows them to put Mavericks on their spanking new machines.
 
bill-p said:
Then here's a sign for you: Apple is waiting for the Intel Core i7 4750HQ to be released so that they can put it in the base configuration.

Yeah, that's the low-end Iris Pro CPU. 4850HQ and 4950HQ have already been released. For some reason, Intel is taking its sweet time with the 4750HQ.

Source of info:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/19



Q3 would point to it being after August.

And if you have to ask why wait, then it's just the usual...

Apple needs 3 CPUs: 1 low-end, 1 mid-end, and 1 high-end.

Low-end goes into base config.
Mid-end goes into high config.
High-end is a BTO option.

Judging from the fact that Intel database has only 3 Iris Pro CPUs (seriously!), there's really no other that Apple can put into the base config.
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According to Intels website the Intel Core i7 4750HQ has already launched
 
APPLE-FANATIC said:
According to Intels website the Intel Core i7 4750HQ has already launched
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"Launched" does not mean "available to OEM now".

Unless you're saying Anandtech is wrong... but then they did receive an official sample (4950HQ) from Intel to benchmark, so I'd think they exchanged some words with Intel prior to the writeup.

And I don't think they would give availability information like that without first checking in with Intel.
 
bill-p said:
Then here's a sign for you: Apple is waiting for the Intel Core i7 4750HQ to be released so that they can put it in the base configuration.
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You got a source for that? You assume 3 configurations. Just two is possible. It's happened before. It's also happened that they announce 3+ configurations, but later availability for some of them. Usually it's the other way around (i.e., a faster processor ships later), but the reverse isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Someone else also pointed out the obvious regarding the 4750HQ.

bill-p said:
Yeah, so they're only releasing the CPUs now.

It takes time to ship to OEMs (Apple included).

Assuming Apple already received those CPUs from Intel, that means they can only start production now.

If they only start production now, you can bet they won't be launching new computers any time soon... and it'll take months before they have enough volume for immediate launch.

So a September/October release time frame is more reasonable. Plus it allows them to put Mavericks on their spanking new machines.
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Yeah, um, it doesn't look like you're familiar with the pace of these things, or that you've taken an operations class in business school. Often, these things ship in volume. The only challenge is keeping up with demand. Apple has in the past been given preferential treatment for early orders of new CPUs by Intel.

The notion that the production lead time is "months" is laughable. If Apple were that horribly run, it would have gone bankrupt long ago rather than being the market cap giant it is today.
 
bill-p said:
Then here's a sign for you: Apple is waiting for the Intel Core i7 4750HQ to be released so that they can put it in the base configuration.

Yeah, that's the low-end Iris Pro CPU. 4850HQ and 4950HQ have already been released. For some reason, Intel is taking its sweet time with the 4750HQ.

Source of info:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/19



Q3 would point to it being after August.

And if you have to ask why wait, then it's just the usual...

Apple needs 3 CPUs: 1 low-end, 1 mid-end, and 1 high-end.

Low-end goes into base config.
Mid-end goes into high config.
High-end is a BTO option.

Judging from the fact that Intel database has only 3 Iris Pro CPUs (seriously!), there's really no other that Apple can put into the base config.
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System76 are shipping their 4750HQ laptop this months.

Also, Intel states that it's launched.
 
I need to by a 15" rMBP for my son, now, but am holding off just a bit longer to see if the Haswell version comes out. I hate buying computers on the eve of new releases unless I'm going for a deal.

It might be possible that Apple received shipments ahead of the public release so that they could ship on time.
 
gxtoast said:
I need to by a 15" rMBP for my son, now, but am holding off just a bit longer to see if the Haswell version comes out. I hate buying computers on the eve of new releases unless I'm going for a deal.

It might be possible that Apple received shipments ahead of the public release so that they could ship on time.
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Get a refurbished Ivy Bridge retina. Haswell is only good for battery life. The gt 750m that is most likely going to be in the Haswell MBPr 15" performs extremely close to the current 650m. I would buy a refurbished if i was in the market for a MBPr right now.
 
john123 said:
You got a source for that? You assume 3 configurations. Just two is possible. It's happened before. It's also happened that they announce 3+ configurations, but later availability for some of them. Usually it's the other way around (i.e., a faster processor ships later), but the reverse isn't out of the realm of possibility.
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Um... http://store.apple.com

Check the current rMBP 15".

Low-end (2.4GHz)
Mid-end (2.7GHz)
High-end only BTO (2.8GHz)

How about before the February refresh?

Low-end (2.3GHz)
Mid-end (2.6GHz)
High-end only BTO (2.7GHz)

Clearly there's a pattern.

And the fact that Intel's database has only 3 CPUs that carry Iris Pro is a dead giveaway that they made those CPUs specifically to follow Apple's pattern.

Someone else also pointed out the obvious regarding the 4750HQ.
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I'd trust a reputable source that has talked to Intel in late June more than someone who just read a website.

Yeah, um, it doesn't look like you're familiar with the pace of these things, or that you've taken an operations class in business school. Often, these things ship in volume. The only challenge is keeping up with demand. Apple has in the past been given preferential treatment for early orders of new CPUs by Intel.

The notion that the production lead time is "months" is laughable. If Apple were that horribly run, it would have gone bankrupt long ago rather than being the market cap giant it is today.
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Yeah, um... you're forgetting the fact that they need enough volume for a worldwide launch.

U.S. is not the only country they have to satisfy the demands for.

They did try to make things on demand before, and it turned out horrible, so Apple has been much more on top of volumes as of late.
 
Dan2013 said:
Get a refurbished Ivy Bridge retina. Haswell is only good for battery life. The gt 750m that is most likely going to be in the Haswell MBPr 15" performs extremely close to the current 650m. I would buy a refurbished if i was in the market for a MBPr right now.
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Thanks, Dan. How do I get a refurbished Mac? Could I buy that through an Apple store?
 
Dan2013 said:
Get a refurbished Ivy Bridge retina. Haswell is only good for battery life. The gt 750m that is most likely going to be in the Haswell MBPr 15" performs extremely close to the current 650m. I would buy a refurbished if i was in the market for a MBPr right now.
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Any point in holding out for an improved retina screen, or is it assumed that the new rMBP's will have the same caliber display as already available?
 
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