But the MBA doesnt offer the processing power a rMBP would. Apple marketed the MBA to the average person but left out its hardcore customer base.
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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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But the MBA doesnt offer the processing power a rMBP would. Apple marketed the MBA to the average person but left out its hardcore customer base.
The point is that the hardcore customers don't necessarily follow school schedules, whereas a large number of MBA purchasers do. It probably wouldn't have made much difference unless Intel released the Haswell chips a lot sooner though.
A september release would be ideal. I need a new macbook for classes in mid september. No point in buying an ivy bridge machine when haswell is so close
All sorts of evidence, do a search on macbook sales figures, now "failed hard" is a stretch. Mostly due to economy and canabolism, and combination of the two. I'd also say Apple notebook sales survived better than PC, probably due to the MBPr release...
In terms of Haswell release, I really am thinking Intel is screwing this one up. They are taking way too long getting the entire line of processors out and/or in the hands of the PC manufacturers. Almost like they have over extended themselves targeting all these specialized use cases.
I guess Apple didn't realize that these are greedy American kids. Why would they settle for a MBA? I'd beg for the retina pro all day
As expected; due to the extended waiting period and with no real target date in sight, this thread is slowly derailing to an unsettled and crazed state.
Those have nothing to do with your original point that it failed because students were halfway through the semester.
To address that original point though, October might be bad for back-to-school, but it's pretty ideal for holiday shopping. And as others have pointed out, most students don't need a Pro. A lot of them want one but very few actually need the CPU power. The Airs aren't wimpy. In fact, the Geekbench scores are 6000/7000 compared to 7100 for the rumored 13" pro.
I guess Apple didn't realize that these are greedy American kids. Why would they settle for a MBA? I'd beg for the retina pro all day
Honestly though, it has about the same performance as my 2010 MBP (and for the vast majority of what people do, it's good enough). If I didn't see the Retina display right next to it and didn't need the extra resolution for programming, I'd probably have gotten the MBA. Not to mention that it makes good business sense: Apple will most likely sell way more MBAs at $1000 than it ever will sell rMBPs at twice the cost.
And if there could be a redundancy value computed for this thread, it would be sky high. There's a periodic pattern here, where people don't bother to check more than a few pages back, and repeat what has already been discussed.
Crazy derails are also to be expected, since we are in the 'great wait'.
Would you happen to know what modules they use in the 13"? Hoping for a 16GB option, which sounds possible if it has the same 2GB chips as the 8GB 15" does.
Again, the "truth" and what Apple selectively chooses to say often do not align. I expect this to be one example of that. It's not just Apple; that's simply business.
As for the battery life, common sense dictates it will be increased. That's the whole point of Haswell, the Air would cannibalize sales due to lack of parity, and a whole host of other issues. I am happy to put any amount of money on the fact that stated battery life will increase. Care to take my bet?
The 13" uses 8 RAM modules vs. 16 RAM modules in the 15".
So in the 8GB 13" they use 8x4GB modules (the 8GB 15" uses 16x2GB).
So for the 13" to get 16GB, Apple would have to use those 8GB modules (H5TC8G83MMR) that Apple also need for the 32GB 15".
Therefore I'm not sure we will see a 13" 16GB and 15" 32GB in the next refresh. The modules _are_out, making it possible. But they are quite new, and probably expensive
But when we get a 13" 16GB option, we will definitely get a 32GB option for the 15", as it has two rows of modules, hence doubling the max capacity of the 13" which only has one row.
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You can see it here.
15" (RAM modules in the light blue square):
13" (RAM modules in the orange square):
So you can see that the 15" doubles the capacity of the 13".
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Do you think we will soon be at a point where they can go to something faster than DDR3? (outside Vram)
@John123: I bet your right, but you make it sound like Apple could simply increase the battery life by 65% with Haswell, like they did with the 2013 Air. I expect only a marginal increase. I have no idea how they could get the same results (2-5hours extra) with the 15 rMBP.
The retina screen is the biggest battery eater. They dont use ULV processors for 15 rMBP, the power consumption of Iris Pro/ Quad is not that low and the gained space from the dedicated card is not big. These point indicate for me, that an increase of one or two hours with light usage is possible. Maybe with less power hungry IGZO Displays, Mavericks, a special Intel solution and a clever battery design they could add more. But thats unlikely.
So the new model could get extra 1-2 hours of battery life , 3-4% increase of processor power and 25% decrease of graphics power. Even with Wifi AC and a faster SSD, I dont think thats a huge upgrade. And under heavy load i expect that it will kill battery life as fast as the previous generation. People, who need battery life could buy the 2013 Air with up to 12 hours. The 15 rMBP will always be behind due to its power hungry performance parts.
The retina screen is the biggest battery eater. They dont use ULV processors for 15 rMBP, the power consumption of Iris Pro/ Quad is not that low and the gained space from the dedicated card is not big. These point indicate for me, that an increase of one or two hours with light usage is possible. Maybe with less power hungry IGZO Displays, Mavericks, a special Intel solution and a clever battery design they could add more. But thats unlikely.
So the new model could get extra 1-2 hours of battery life , 3-4% increase of processor power and 25% decrease of graphics power. Even with Wifi AC and a faster SSD, I dont think thats a huge upgrade. And under heavy load i expect that it will kill battery life as fast as the previous generation. People, who need battery life could buy the 2013 Air with up to 12 hours. The 15 rMBP will always be behind due to its power hungry performance parts.
Yep - DDR4
Nah, I'm waiting for DDR5, DDR4 is not gonna cut it.
Also waiting for Broadwell, TB3 and 10k resolution screens
(sorry, the lack of rumors is boring)
It depends on what I'm doing. If I'm typing a lot, then I'd rather use the trackpad for scrolling since it's closer. But if I'm mostly reading, then I'll keep my hands close to the screen. In those cases it's also more convenient to use the touch screen for dragging windows around. And one thing that really comes in handy is when using multiple monitors, rather than trying to find my mouse, I just touch the screen and the mouse appears there. I guess it just depends on the person. I use the input method that's more convenient for the situation. I like having the option to use the touch screen or not.
Other possibilities could be that a retina screen would cut the MBA battery life more than Apple would like or that if the 2013 MBA had a retina screen, the difference between that and the 13" rMBP is too small (so they'd want to update the 13" rMBP before adding a retina screen to the MBA).
Is that what they're called? I've always just called them rubber feet. Nice to have this tidbit of information.
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