Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[zOlid]

Its kind of funny to see Apples competition releasing highly priced laptops that are supposed to compete with rMBP 13"/15".
Cos we are whining about the fact that the 15" probably wont get a dGPU.
But the competition in the same form factor are going for even lower gpu power then the rMBP will get.

Take the Samsung ativbook 9 that is on its way. It will carry the same price as the 13" rMBP and have a high resolution screen. But it will only have Intels 4400 graphics to work with.
That is a far leap from the 5100 series that the 13" rMBP is getting.

Its the same on the 15" side of things. There are some competitors that go for a dGPU. But in the end they don't have the same specs or screen as the 15" rMBP does.
Or the form factor or weight for that matter.


Its kind of funny to see that the competitors have the same price point as apple does but with inferior hardware. Especially as soooooo many pc users always say "apples computers is so overpriced. You can get a comparable pc for so much less".
Now when they are releasing pc´s that actually are on par more or less. They have the same price or worse specs. Or both even.

 

[sofianito]

Its kind of funny to see Apples competition releasing highly priced laptops that are supposed to compete with rMBP 13"/15".
Cos we are whining about the fact that the 15" probably wont get a dGPU.
But the competition in the same form factor are going for even lower gpu power then the rMBP will get.

Take the Samsung ativbook 9 that is on its way. It will carry the same price as the 13" rMBP and have a high resolution screen. But it will only have Intels 4400 graphics to work with.
That is a far leap from the 5100 series that the 13" rMBP is getting.

Its the same on the 15" side of things. There are some competitors that go for a dGPU. But in the end they don't have the same specs or screen as the 15" rMBP does.
Or the form factor or weight for that matter.


Its kind of funny to see that the competitors have the same price point as apple does but with inferior hardware. Especially as soooooo many pc users always say "apples computers is so overpriced. You can get a comparable pc for so much less".
Now when they are releasing pc´s that actually are on par more or less. They have the same price or worse specs. Or both even.

How much does the Samsung ativbook 9 plus cost? I didn't find any official price on internet. I know the ativbook 9 lite version will cost $800...

 

[zOlid]

How much does the Samsung ativbook 9 plus cost? I didn't find any official price on internet. I know the ativbook 9 lite version will cost $800...

The model with only 4gb ram, 128gb ssd. Core i5-4200U with the hd4400 will cost 1400$
Their will be a "beefier" model with 8gb ram and 256gb ssd that carries the same cpu and other specs.
The price for that, haven't been released yet since it comes a bit later.

 

[mcarling]

And I am pretty sure they could cool that in the 13", 47W I mean. Just depends on size of the heatsink and airflow over it.

You might want to consider the max TDP Ivy Bridge which Apple put in the 13" rMBP so far.

 

[sofianito]

The model with only 4gb ram, 128gb ssd. Core i5-4200U with the hd4400 will cost 1400$
Their will be a "beefier" model with 8gb ram and 256gb ssd that carries the same cpu and other specs.
The price for that, haven't been released yet since it comes a bit later.

Source please?

 

[CmdrLaForge]

You might want to consider the max TDP Ivy Bridge which Apple put in the 13" rMBP so far.

I am pretty sure thats due to marketing / product positioning and pricing and not due to technical limitations....

 

[mcarling]

I am pretty sure thats due to marketing / product positioning and pricing and not due to technical limitations....

That's possible, but it would be unusual.

 

[Krazy Bill]

Apple is all about letting their devices be true to themselves and not forcing features where they don't belong so I think tight integration between the iPad and OS X is something they are focused on instead of taking the features from the iPad and forcing those in to the Mac.

Huh? That's not only contradictory but clear as mud.

What do you think the "Back to the Mac" campaign is all about? OSX is now riddled with the same iOS "features" you find on the iPad. So no, Apple is not about letting their devices be true to "themselves". It's just the opposite.

The last OS X to be pretty much independent from Apple's silly-assed "be-all-things-to-all-people" integration was Snow Leopard (IMO).

 

[Quu]

Huh? That's not only contradictory but clear as mud.

What do you think the "Back to the Mac" campaign is all about? OSX is now riddled with the same iOS "features" you find on the iPad. So no, Apple is not about letting their devices be true to "themselves". It's just the opposite.

The last OS X to be pretty much independent from Apple's silly-assed "be-all-things-to-all-people" integration was Snow Leopard (IMO).

I understand what you are saying, putting the App Launcher from iOS on to OS X and iMessage etc but to me those features were not forced in to Mac OS X. They were natural progressions that made the operating system simpler and better.

We have needed a proper application launcher on OS X since forever. Most of us created our own by placing the Application folder in to the Dock. The Launchpad that Apple included is just a better version of that with larger icons and built in searching. It works a lot better.

Apple have not however put the iPads touch screen on the Mac and they could have forced it in there if they wanted to. The point is it doesn't make sense for them to do that.

I argue they let their devices be true to themselves and that is what they have done. You won't find a Finder on iOS to control your files and you won't find a touch screen on a Mac.

 

[zOlid]

Source please?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/07/samsung-ativ-book-9-1400-august-9/
http://www.electronista.com/articles/13/08/07/launch.expected.on.august.20/

Also we got the prices here in sweden already from several retailers.
It ends up 145$ more expensive then the current 13" rMBP here in sweden.

 

[sofianito]

http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/07/samsung-ativ-book-9-1400-august-9/
http://www.electronista.com/articles/13/08/07/launch.expected.on.august.20/

Also we got the prices here in sweden already from several retailers.
It ends up 145$ more expensive then the current 13" rMBP here in sweden.

Thanks!

 

[radiohead14]

We have needed a proper application launcher on OS X since forever. Most of us created our own by placing the Application folder in to the Dock. The Launchpad that Apple included is just a better version of that with larger icons and built in searching. It works a lot better.

launchpad is terrible. i mean.. it doesn't even have an auto sort. every time i install a new app.. i have to manually rearrange it if i want it to stay in alphabetical order. i'd rather use the old way of placing the app folder on the dock.. so i disagree.. launchpad was forced onto os x in this manner.

 

[Quu]

launchpad is terrible. i mean.. it doesn't even have an auto sort. every time i install a new app.. i have to manually rearrange it if i want it to stay in alphabetical order. i'd rather use the old way of placing the app folder on the dock.. so i disagree.. launchpad was forced onto os x in this manner.

Do you have to use it? No. So it wasn't forced. It's not like Metro on Windows 8, that was forced on users. If you don't like Launchpad you can just use the folder method that you always used and based on your post you do that.

Same with the Full Screen Mode, iMessage, Reminders, iCloud. All of these iOS innovations that were ported to Mac OS X are all optional extras that you don't have to use and they weren't forced on anybody you had the option to make use of them or not.

Personally I do. I love Launchpad, I use iMessage every day, I use Reminders and I love iCloud syncing. I think all those additions are fantastic.

But you're free to disagree we are all entitled to our own opinions about our own computers.

 

[radiohead14]

Do you have to use it? No. So it wasn't forced. It's not like Metro on Windows 8, that was forced on users. If you don't like Launchpad you can just use the folder method that you always used and based on your post you do that.

Same with the Full Screen Mode, iMessage, Reminders, iCloud. All of these iOS innovations that were ported to Mac OS X are all optional extras that you don't have to use and they weren't forced on anybody you had the option to make use of them or not.

Personally I do. I love Launchpad, I use iMessage every day, I use Reminders and I love iCloud syncing. I think all those additions are fantastic.

But you're free to disagree we are all entitled to our own opinions about our own computers.

ok.. well my opinion is that launchpad is halfbaked and not a "proper app launcher" like you claim. and yes, i do use it.. hence why i told you what my qualms about it were.. and you mistook my meaning of it being forced.. i never said it was forced onto the users.. i meant that it was implemented in OS X just for the heck of placing it in there.. when to me.. it doesn't offer any added functionality or improvement over the app folder on dock method. just curious.. what do you like about launchpad better to prefer it over the app folder on the dock?

 

[Quu]

ok.. well my opinion is that launchpad is halfbaked and not a "proper app launcher" like you claim. and yes, i do use it.. hence why i told you what my qualms about it were.. and you mistook my meaning of it being forced.. i never said it was forced onto the users.. i meant that it was implemented in OS X just for the heck of placing it in there.. when to me.. it doesn't offer any added functionality or improvement over the app folder on dock method. just curious.. what do you like about launchpad better to prefer it over the app folder on the dock?

There are three parts that I like about it.

1. I can click on its icon and just begin typing and like spotlight or the iTunes search it only shows me apps that match my query as I'm typing it.
2. It covers the whole screen when I click it so I can see nothing but my apps.
3. I can hold on to an App and then an X appears and I can just remove the app straight away.

I don't really care about alphabetical sorting.

 

[thepoynt]

Wow, this thread is drifting all over the place...

I guess we have nothing better to do while we're waiting

 

[Krazy Bill]

Same with the Full Screen Mode, iMessage, Reminders, iCloud. All of these iOS innovations that were ported to Mac OS X are all optional extras that you don't have to use and they weren't forced on anybody you had the option to make use of them or not.

Fully agree with not being forced to adapt, with one exception: Going from 10.6 I was "forced" to give up my method of Window Management for a dumbed down version which very much resembles iOS. Seriously, it wouldn't have taken much to leave Spaces in OSX.

And Full Screen apps are weird. Still trying to understand their need for a separate desktop and inability to share that desktop with other windows.

 

[GSPice]

Wow, this thread is drifting all over the place...

I guess we have nothing better to do while we're waiting

It's barely more interesting than the pie talk yesterday..

 

[joecool99]

FOCUS PEOPLE.

this is how it looks:

 

[Krazy Bill]

FOCUS PEOPLE.

this is how it looks:

That's real purdy. Can't wait to spill something on it.

 

[brandonx76]

That's real purdy. Can't wait to spill something on it.

You're krazy man...

 

[Aegelward]

so... what are the chances that the "classic" MBP will see an update?

 

[mcarling]

this is how it looks:

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Note that the PCH (formerly south bridge, with a little bit of north bridge functionality added) is on the chip with the CPU. The next step (which I speculate will come two years from now with Skylake) will be to integrate them into one die.

 

[polymersayb]

Fully agree with not being forced to adapt, with one exception: Going from 10.6 I was "forced" to give up my method of Window Management for a dumbed down version which very much resembles iOS. Seriously, it wouldn't have taken much to leave Spaces in OSX.

And Full Screen apps are weird. Still trying to understand their need for a separate desktop and inability to share that desktop with other windows.

I actually like Mission Control better than Spaces. I used to have every single application tied to a specific space, but now I have some freedom and it's actually pretty liberating. Plus the four-finger-swipe between workspaces is awesome and well worth not having vertical spaces IMO. Obviously not as awesome if you have a desktop/mouse set up though.

Full screen apps on the other hand, I don't understand either. I've tried using them, but I don't see any advantage to simply maximizing the window completely. I like having my menubar and having my dock pop up instantly. And sharing the desktop with other windows.

 

[mcarling]

so... what are the chances that the "classic" MBP will see an update?

Higher than 0; lower than 1. My guess is nearer to 0.

One thing we don't know is the relative sales of cMBP versus rMBP over the last year. I've asked every time I go into an Apple Store. Usually I don't get any information, but occasionally I get that they sell more rMBP than cMBP. I never, ever get any indication of how much more.

Another thing we don't know is what Apple's cost projections are for 13" and 15" Retina displays and for SSDs over the next year. The fact that the MBA did not go Retina this year may be an indication that Retina displays are still expensive or it may be an indicator that they don't (yet) fit in the MBA case.