Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[ValSalva]

Just asking but have you ever used a Precision product? I have used many of them over the years and have always had good craftsmanship with excellent on-site support.

Of course, they are not cheap as the last one I had was $8500.00. Two other companies I was at bought dozens of them for high-end 3D and CAD work. They all were about $10k each.

I'm not a fan at all of Dell consumer products, but their pro/business line - I feel- is very good.

The same way with HP. I would not purchase an HP consumer product but their business Elitebook line is excellent too. Of course, they were also $8k to $10k each.

I tried to get people interested in MBPs but without on-site support it was moot point.

-P

The last Dell I bought was a Precision M4400. It most certainly did not cost anywhere near $8 to $10K I found the trackpad to be almost unusable. The right and left mouse buttons adjacent to the trackpad were too small and registered a click only about half the time. In fact the only way I could use that laptop was with a mouse. There was also unacceptable light leak along the top of the display.

That laptop drove me to the Mac full time so now that the bitterness has mostly passed I can't be too mad at Dell. I wished I'd switched years prior.

I'd hope a laptop that cost $8 to $10K was as pleasant to use as one that costs $1200 from Apple.

 

[Sketchr]

I think you should just relax and wait untill the new RMBP come out. Guessing around is just a waste of time, and meaningless.

But that's what this whole forum is about, really. Speculation, hope, rumors, ideas...it's fun to share them while we wait around for the product to actually be delivered...

 

[McFreggle]

No more Dell please.

I'm waiting for the new rMBP to replace my last Dell ever...

 

[GSPice]

I didn't come here to talk about Dell.

Haswell & Keynote talk please. Now.

 

[thepoynt]

It would be awesome if apple put less bezel on the screen and made 14" and 16" models, without making them much bigger externally. Plus, it would look cool to have the screen go almost right up to the edge.

 

[adjeff8]

Absolutely not.
Cos that's not the issue.
Its a either you move the OS in that direction or you don't.
A touch optimized OS is a pain to use with out touch. Or at the very least much more annoying then a OS optimized for a mouse.
And its the same the other way around.

So if Apple would move for a touch bases OSX it would make the OS much worse to use if you don't use touch.

Just look at windows 8 as an example. Their you have both that's true.
But they are intertwined. Its easier to use a touch screen on some parts and mouse on others. They want to move to touch more and more. But older programs and computers don't allow it. So your stuck with a 2 based system.
Where if you use Metro its very optimized for touch. But way more annoying to use if you only use a mouse. And that is the biggest reason Windows 8 is hated by many.


The only way i see a touch based OS working is with a iPad (or such) on the side that is showing some controls or buttons that you can touch with your hand. Now this would be a pain on a laptop i guess. Or maybe a touch based screen, where the mouse pad is now but bigger.
That is one way you could go i guess but it would take some serious magic for it to work good.

There are apps and programs that utilize the iPad for some controls and shortcuts. Instead of the classic keyboard shortcuts. I've heard there is one for Photoshop (i think) that is apparently the best thing since steak sauce.

Can't be better than A1 steak sauce. Nothing's better than that. So...I get it. Thanks for the explanation. I don't really need a touch screen anyways. I got a iPad for that. What I NEED is a 15" 2nd generation RMBP. I never buy 1st gen anything and my 2009 is KILLING me

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I sure am!

I've been a Mac User since 2003's Mac OS X Panther and the operating system just keeps getting more refined.

I'm looking forward to Mavericks Multiple Display stuff, better notifications, tagging and finder tabs. I actually already use an app on Mountain Lion to give my finder tabs but I think Apples implementation will be better.

I'm disappointed that Mavericks won't have Siri. I thought it was a slam dunk but I guess we will have to wait another year for that

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it would be awesome if apple put less bezel on the screen and made 14" and 16" models, without making them much bigger externally. Plus, it would look cool to have the screen go almost right up to the edge.

exactly!!!

 

[Mago]

Siri?

Actually Mountain Lion has SIRI Engine, it allow Speech Text Introduction (just press Fn TWICE )... What Else you Need? Use siri to program dates, alarm, etc? dont you have an iPhone for such tasks ?

 

[Jordan-D]

Siri?

Actually Mountain Lion has SIRI Engine, it allow Speech Text Introduction (just press Fn TWICE )... What Else you Need? Use siri to program dates, alarm, etc? dont you have an iPhone for such tasks ?

You don't have to own an iPhone or an iPad to buy a Mac and Siri is more than programming events/alarm clocks. Sure it's a cool gadget but it's slowly getting pretty smart.

I also thought we'd finally see a real Siri on a Mac we'll see in the GM.

 

[GSPice]

Thunderbolt 2 on the Haswell MBP?

 

[brandonx76]

Thunderbolt 2 on the Haswell MBP?

4k ??

 

[bbapps]

Thunderbolt 2 on the Haswell MBP?

Intel will announce the availability of TB2 at IDF 2013 (September 10-12). Apple will release the MBPr w/TB2 the following week.

 

[PDFierro]

Intel will announce the availability of TB2 at IDF 2013 (September 10-12). Apple will release the MBPr w/TB2 the following week.

That would be awesome.

 

[APPLE-FANATIC]

Intel will announce the availability of TB2 at IDF 2013 (September 10-12). Apple will release the MBPr w/TB2 the following week.

Wouldn't that be nice!!!

 

[mcarling]

But when we get a 13" 16GB option, we will definitely get a 32GB option for the 15", as it has two rows of modules, hence doubling the max capacity of the 13" which only has one row.

That is far from definite. Just because something becomes possible for Apple, doesn't mean Apple will necessarily do it. There is no logical reason why the 15" MBP must always offer twice the memory of the 13" MBP. That is can happen doesn't mean it will happen.

Frankly, I would not be surprised to see a 16GB BTO option for the 13" MBP a year before we see a 32GB BTO option for the 15" MBP.

 

[jonawas]

Intel will announce the availability of TB2 at IDF 2013 (September 10-12). Apple will release the MBPr w/TB2 the following week.

Fact?

 

[Koulie]

I know this a long-long-long-shot off any indication of a rMBP release and basically irrelevant, but Microsoft revealed its new promotion for Office 365 in Australia yesterday. The promotion lasts until September 28th - it's pretty funny, yet sweet offer. That covers BTS (September 6th) and an additional 3 weeks after. Maybe, just maybe, they are expecting an influx of laptop sales in preparation to the Xbox One. I mean Semester two in Australia basically started 2-3 weeks ago.

 

[bbapps]

Fact?

You just have to believe and it will come true!!!! And, it will have an upgradable dGPU (if you want).

 

[GSPice]

Fact?

Maybe

 

[Vanilla35]

Fact?

Who cares. Everyone knows it's likely to come out in September, or October. And so much stuff is coming out in those two months that it isn't going to be a dread for anyone. The worst part is now. August sucks so much in so many ways lol

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You just have to believe and it will come true!!!! And, it will have an upgradable dGPU (if you want).

Lol bless your heart, but no. *crushes dreams*

We need to get real here, this is macrumors integrated intel for the win (sarcasm)

 

[adjeff8]

Siri?

Actually Mountain Lion has SIRI Engine, it allow Speech Text Introduction (just press Fn TWICE )... What Else you Need? Use siri to program dates, alarm, etc? dont you have an iPhone for such tasks ?

I use Siri for so many things. Simple things like finding me a restaurant in the area I'm in, movie info, sports scores, a million and one queries, reminders, calendars issues and so much more. It would be nice to be able to hit a button on my computer for this assistant.

 

[GSPice]

You just have to believe and it will come true!!!! And, it will have an upgradable dGPU (if you want).

I clicked on that youtube link and it had zero views. I kept it that way.

 

[Vanilla35]

Is it just me, or, does anyone else think that it would be better if Apple waited until next year to get rid of the dGPU? I mean Iris Pro has been a great improvement over Intel 4600, but broadwell should be an even more significant boost, to the point where it might actually become a serious advantage for a iGPU, instead of one that is, barely meeting standards for what it would be replacing (650m). By broadwell I feel like Intel will have many more opportunities to make more powerfully optimized chips for Apple's needs the following year, and the price of their chips will be cheaper then too because many will adopt iris pro this year. I just feel like it's a much more cohesive plan.

Granted, this plan doesn't take into account 2 things:

1) Haswell is supposed to be about battery life. Which they can't really ignore with what they did with the MBA.

2) Heat. I feel like one of the reasons they don't want to stick an even more powerful dGPU in the rMBP is because the thing is probably close to having heat strain as it is. A more powerful GPU would make it worse, and is possible too much to handle.

I apologize for any typing errors, using my phone.

 

[bbapps]

I clicked on that youtube link and it had zero views. I kept it that way.

Just a MSI GUS External Graphics demonstration. Sort of a joke, but the more you think about it, it is a decent compromise in terms of dGPU.

The gamers are the ones that really benefit from the higher frame-rates. I would not think you would want to do "serious" gaming on a MacBook without a docking setup. By "serious", I'm talking regular gaming session, lasting many hours. I would consider my son a "serious" gamer, with a big-honker of a graphics card, fans blowing, larger monitor, specialized gaming keyboards that he wears out pretty quick. Not sure I would want that kind of wear on a MBPr without offloading some of that heat and keyboard bashing to external devices.

With TB2 you could get a pretty nice gaming/docking setup going, with external GPU, monitor, keyboard, storage, etc.... Thinking that is where TB2 is going to shine. Sure external TB-GPUs are in short supply, but I'm sure they will start becoming more common as TB gets into the mainstream.

 

[raybies]

- no dock and no TB
- design wise its terrible, its xps written all over it

I used an XPS this week at work cos I kept forgetting my HP Elitebook 8570w at home... it sure doesn't look like an XPS to me.

The XPS range is all cheap crap plastic.

I'm not fussed about the lack of dock or TB, I just need light, fast + great screen.

The Elitebooks are ~ OK, I don't really like the RGB LED backlight it's a little weird to look at (when panning head) even though it has the highest gamut. It also weighs a ton... mine has 32GB ($200) + 2x Samsung 840 Pro 512GB SSD's.

I used to work for Dell, and while I agree their consumer products are very cheap in all areas, their Precision line is rock solid but lacking the elegance of an Apple.
I also think Precision used to be better (1999 - 2005), but I believe they're trying to regain some of that credibility.

 

[GSPice]

Just a MSI GUS External Graphics demonstration. Sort of a joke, but the more you think about it, it is a decent compromise in terms of dGPU.

The gamers are the ones that really benefit from the higher frame-rates. I would not think you would want to do "serious" gaming on a MacBook without a docking setup. By "serious", I'm talking regular gaming session, lasting many hours. I would consider my son a "serious" gamer, with a big-honker of a graphics card, fans blowing, larger monitor, specialized gaming keyboards that he wears out pretty quick. Not sure I would want that kind of wear on a MBPr without offloading some of that heat and keyboard bashing to external devices.

With TB2 you could get a pretty nice gaming/docking setup going, with external GPU, monitor, keyboard, storage, etc.... Thinking that is where TB2 is going to shine. Sure external TB-GPUs are in short supply, but I'm sure they will start becoming more common as TB gets into the mainstream.

External GPU would be as awesome as a light saber-wielding velociraptor riding a flying shark