Apple has lots of things to show in October - iPads, Mac Pros, incremental updates to iMac and Mac Mini. If they'll announce new rMBPs at that event as well, September one got only iPhones which is not much by any means. Even if Mavericks won't be ready for 9/10, I see no reason for Apple not to announce the rMBPs along with the new iPhones.
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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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Oh, I thought it was clear as water...
If they are ready they will release new haswell with ML 10.8.5 with eventually free upgrade to Mavericks... 10.8.4 runs on Haswell MBAs, so that's obvious. Haswell is not what needs support. What's needed is drivers for any new hardware. I'm confident that 10.8.5 will include support for any new Macs that might be introduced in the first half of September.
Okay. I can take that. It's just difficult to navigate through sites like this one where a lot of people might be making educated guesses but aren't exactly showing the logical progression of those guesses. I don't think the explanation I'm looking for is necessary in every single statement made but idk, to me, statements about the processor are a big deal.
Here's a thought. What if, in addition to the new Retina MacBook Pro 15" with Iris Pro integrated graphics, they keep the old-style MacBook Pro 15" around - with its large hard drive, its optical drive, and its discrete GPU, which gets upgraded to a GeForce 750m?
Everyone thinks the non-Retina model is doomed, but Apple doesn't seem to be in a hurry to kill it off. Simply bumping up the specs on the old model would satisfy the people who want to game on it, or who keep a terabyte hard drive full, or need to burn DVDs and don't want to carry around an external burner.
Everyone thinks the non-Retina model is doomed, but Apple doesn't seem to be in a hurry to kill it off. Simply bumping up the specs on the old model would satisfy the people who want to game on it, or who keep a terabyte hard drive full, or need to burn DVDs and don't want to carry around an external burner.
Does anyone have a clue when the newly announced rMPB will be available through Amazon? I know Apple has a store through there, but I was curious if anyone else has experience with what type of lag I should expect (between official Apple Store, and Amazon.
I'm in a bit of a pinch, and my MBP recently died out on me. I planned on purchasing it through Amazon because I have a credit card account there that I can use for emergencies.
I'm in a bit of a pinch, and my MBP recently died out on me. I planned on purchasing it through Amazon because I have a credit card account there that I can use for emergencies.
If we start to discuss what Apple could do if they really ever thought of gamers, our discussion will go far far away..
Anyways, what you're suggesting has completely no logic IMO.
Air possibilities: There were four 15W Haswell processors with HD5000 graphics Apple could have used for the new MBA.
Air actual: They chose to offer only these two of them.
13.3" Iris possibilities: There are three 28W Haswell processors with HD5100 "Iris" graphics Apple could use for the next 13.3" rMBP.
15.4" Iris Pro possibilities: There are three 47W Crystal Well processors with HD5200 "Iris Pro" graphics Apple could use for the next 15.4" rMBP.
15.4" non-Iris possibilities: There are four 47W Haswell processors with HD4600 graphics Apple could use for the next 15.4" rMBP, if they for some reason decide to give their top-of-the-line laptops drastically worse everyday graphics performance than even their bottom-of-the-line laptops and require extra space in the chassis for a dGPU thereby shrinking the battery and increasing power consumption to obtain worse computational graphics performance and only marginally better framerates in some games.
Note that of the four 47W chips with HD4600 (what the dGPU crowd clamor for) only one of them has the 37.5mm x 32mm x 1.6mm form factor. The other three are 37.5mm x 37.5mm x 4.7mm, which is kind of a lot bigger (especially a lot thicker) for something that goes in a laptop (and requires a dGPU as well to function adequately.) Meanwhile all the 47W Iris Pro chips are 37.5mm x 32mm x 1.65mm, and one of those chips was already seen in benchmarks.
Air actual: They chose to offer only these two of them.
13.3" Iris possibilities: There are three 28W Haswell processors with HD5100 "Iris" graphics Apple could use for the next 13.3" rMBP.
15.4" Iris Pro possibilities: There are three 47W Crystal Well processors with HD5200 "Iris Pro" graphics Apple could use for the next 15.4" rMBP.
15.4" non-Iris possibilities: There are four 47W Haswell processors with HD4600 graphics Apple could use for the next 15.4" rMBP, if they for some reason decide to give their top-of-the-line laptops drastically worse everyday graphics performance than even their bottom-of-the-line laptops and require extra space in the chassis for a dGPU thereby shrinking the battery and increasing power consumption to obtain worse computational graphics performance and only marginally better framerates in some games.
Note that of the four 47W chips with HD4600 (what the dGPU crowd clamor for) only one of them has the 37.5mm x 32mm x 1.6mm form factor. The other three are 37.5mm x 37.5mm x 4.7mm, which is kind of a lot bigger (especially a lot thicker) for something that goes in a laptop (and requires a dGPU as well to function adequately.) Meanwhile all the 47W Iris Pro chips are 37.5mm x 32mm x 1.65mm, and one of those chips was already seen in benchmarks.
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why not this?
rMBP 13'': CPU with iris 5100, 8gb ram, 256gb min, 9h of batterie life
rMBP 15'':MQ CPU with HD4600 with nvidia 750 minimum, 8gb ram with 16gb option, 256gb min, 10h of batterie life
edit: the I7 4702HQ seem to be a good solution, 37w TDP, 37.5mm x 32mm x 1.6mm.
sorry if you didng understand, im french
rMBP 13'': CPU with iris 5100, 8gb ram, 256gb min, 9h of batterie life
rMBP 15'':MQ CPU with HD4600 with nvidia 750 minimum, 8gb ram with 16gb option, 256gb min, 10h of batterie life
edit: the I7 4702HQ seem to be a good solution, 37w TDP, 37.5mm x 32mm x 1.6mm.
sorry if you didng understand, im french
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Yep. They're going to want the battery life benefits of Mavericks for the statistics they use. They wouldn't launch it stating 9 hours battery life if they could wait 4 more weeks and then be able to claim 10 hours. It'd be stupid not to
15.4" non-Iris 37W possibilities:There are two 37W Haswell processors with HD4600 graphics Apple could use for the next 15.4" rMBP, if they decide to go with even worse CPU performance than the alternatives, as well as worse everyday graphics performance than their bottom-of-the-line-laptops, plus wasting space on a dGPU that draws extra power and is worse at graphics computation, with the only benefit being slightly better framerates in a few games. These two chips are nearly identical except one is in the larger 37.5mm x 37.5mm x 4.7mm form and the other in the 37.5mm x 32mm x 1.6mm size.
Disagree. See my post #5499 for how it could play out -- that is exactly what they could do, and it makes sense, as it gets a revenue-generating product on the market sooner with an enticing "it will only get better" message.
For the Airs, the battery life increase just from going to Haswell was huge -- a key marketing point, and they didn't wait for Mavericks for them (the money to be made from BTS sales had to have been on Apple's mind).
For the MBPs the increase in battery life from Haswell is not expected to be anywhere near as great as with the airs -- therefore battery life is not as big a marketing point which you'd expect to affect release timing. Further, any increase from Mavericks will at best be only a marginal increase. Thus, Mavericks-related battery life "improvements" would not be a compelling reason to hold up the MBP release.
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I prefer to see a redesign and a black version with iris 5200 before a dGPU version.
Look the new zenbook infinity, ativ book 9 plus and sony vaio pro versus the mbp. I think the mbp is made with good material quality, but the design is outdate
Look the new zenbook infinity, ativ book 9 plus and sony vaio pro versus the mbp. I think the mbp is made with good material quality, but the design is outdate
No, Apple have never held up a Mac release to wait for an OS release.
They're going to want the battery life benefits of Mavericks for the statistics they use. They wouldn't launch it stating 9 hours battery life if they could wait 4 more weeks and then be able to claim 10 hours.[/QUOTE]
Apple would be nuts to forgo a month's higher revenues and profits just to make a slightly better claim about battery life. It makes little more sense than just discontinuing Mac sales altogether until they can claim the better battery life of Mavericks, because Mavericks will improve battery life on current Macs just as much as on Haswell Macs.
September 10th
I can't imagine the keynote having enough time to introduce two new phones and convince people to buy them while also showing a new ios and new features that haven't even been in the betas as well as a new OS , so there is no way mavericks will be at the iPhone announcement . The Pro line could be upgraded as a quick one more thing at the end but I highy doubt apple would want anyone's attention to be on anything but the phone that produces a majority of their revenue. Either a seperate event in September if we're lucky , but I think October is the safe bet
I can't imagine the keynote having enough time to introduce two new phones and convince people to buy them while also showing a new ios and new features that haven't even been in the betas as well as a new OS , so there is no way mavericks will be at the iPhone announcement . The Pro line could be upgraded as a quick one more thing at the end but I highy doubt apple would want anyone's attention to be on anything but the phone that produces a majority of their revenue. Either a seperate event in September if we're lucky , but I think October is the safe bet
No event is required to introduce the Haswell MBPs. Most Mac introductions the last few years have been without an event. I cannot imagine Apple would schedule an event just to say that they've added Haswell, 802.11ac, and PCIe SSD to the MBP. It would generate the biggest collective yawn among the press at any Apple event in history.
Good summary. One question that all this raises is the price. Just looking at the options for the 13" for example, Ivybridge chips were 225$ for the two lower options, and with Haswell the cost for the two lower options you mention is 342$. That's an >100$ increase from Intel (this holds true even for the 15" options), so the big concern is will the prices stay the same, since Haswell chips seem quite pricey? I guess we won't be seeing a bump in SSD storage sizes for the base models given the expensive CPUs.
Plus, if they are dropping the dGPU on the 15", best keep it quiet (unless there is a redesign that shrinks the chassis even more, but I'd suspect they would save that for a future generation when they also trim off some of the bezel with IGZO displays, which likely won't be included in this refresh unless we see a price bump).
I disagree with you. I think they definitely would forgo the revenue of 1 month in order to have that statement for over an entire year. September to October is not going to shatter the sales revenue of the computer. I think it is likely that they're getting last minute component/manufacturing properties, and have chosen to debut the computer in October when Mavericks will be polished and a better fit.
I disagree. I think "as it gets a revenue-generating product on the market sooner with an enticing "it will only get better" message." is noob marketing think. They would certainly take advantage of every single "marginal increase" possible in a situation like this, where the best thing haswell brings is battery life they're not going to leave Mavericks out if it could contribute to the main factor of this rMBP's release. Marginal increases add up, that's the point.
Also, see post #5478, I didn't get to read that before posting my comment, but bill-p wrote some of my thoughts there, as well.
My hunch, given that the Haswell chips have already launched and will cost more, is that Apple is waiting for the Back to School special to expire so they don't have to offer the updated models at a discount. So I'm guessing a mid September launch.
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