We've seen many market trends that haven't affected Apple, and we've seen some that have. This isn't one that Apple will adopt.
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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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We've seen many market trends that haven't affected Apple, and we've seen some that have. This isn't one that Apple will adopt.
"Late October for Mavericks launch".....
You know, this may be the first time I don't wait for an update...
I'll wait for the announcement on the 10th, but if nothing is said about the MacBook Pro refresh, I'm pulling the trigger.
You know, this may be the first time I don't wait for an update...
I'll wait for the announcement on the 10th, but if nothing is said about the MacBook Pro refresh, I'm pulling the trigger.
Does anyone have a general idea of what dedicated GPU Apple will put in the upcoming MBP 15 refresh? What's the next graphics card above the 650m?
If they even put one in at all, it will probably be the 650M or 750M. One would hope for the 750M. It's the next generation NVIDIA card. Don't get confused though -- a 740M is not more powerful than a 650M. The first number is the generation, the last two numbers are more of the spec number. For example a GTX680 would still blow a GTX760 out of the water.
Not absolutely dead yet, but it is getting painful to use and effecting my productivity.
Not absolutely dead yet, but it is getting painful to use and effecting my productivity.
Sorry to hear that. Well, at least the current gen is a nice machine. Hopefully we'll all be pleasantly surprised.
Well I think it would be quite insulting if they chose not to put a dedicated GPU in their top of the line notebook. Don't you think? The 13" MBP, yea that was a very bad move.
I don't think they'd put in the same GPU as they did in February in the upcoming haswell macbook pros? So maybe 750m?
Not absolutely dead yet, but it is getting painful to use and effecting my productivity.
My 2.4GHz late-2008 MBP is getting dog slow, even with 8GB of RAM and an SSD. Whenever I cmd-click a few links to open new tabs, my whole machine slows to a crawl while they load, and they take forever. If I'm in a Hangout with some people, my CPU is easily at 50-60% just from video chatting and if I open a link it will glitch their audio/video for a few seconds, stutter, start loading the tab, and then catch up to the feed. It's getting pretty bad. It's been almost 5 years... I think it's time for a new machine. Time for a new machine indeed. After I get my new one I'm going to wipe this one clean and use it for testing out new stuff. It's gonna seem even slower... bah
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No chance in hell they'd put a 780M in. You'd be lucky to see even a 760M.
Given how much the new Mac Pro will rely on dedicated graphics for these apps I don't see how they could avoid putting a discreet option in the mbp. Iris 5200 might be great and it may well do a lot of what current discreet options are capable of now, but it seems like next gen software is even more oriented toward GPU, so my bet is the top line mbp's will still get a discreet graphics chip.
That's a very strong argument - we all know Apple could make any shift they want to be profitable, but one would hope that there'd be something that puts the MBP closer to the Pro (even the high-end iMac) than the Air, if that makes any sense. As far as I know the MBP isn't that far behind the high end iMacs - if the new MBP didn't have a discrete option, that would definitely position the iMacs as more powerful machines across the lineup.
I wonder if iMacs ever seriously cannibalize MBP sales?
I expect the dedicated GPU in the 15" Haswell MBP will be Intel Iris Pro 5200 HD graphics. Integrated GPUs are just as dedicated as discrete GPUs.
If you meant to ask which discrete GPU Apple will put into the Haswell MBP, then I think the answer is probably none. Technology is moving on. Integration leads immediately to lower costs and greater reliability and sooner or later to increased absolute performance. The fastest discrete GPUs still offer greater absolute performance than the fastest integrated GPUs. However, discrete GPUs no longer offer the value for money that they did in recent years.
ps: Thank you for proving the point I made yesterday that some of the people in this thread demanding a dGPU don't even know what the "d" in "dGPU" stands for.
i doubt it.. i think more near future with the way every manufacturer is coming up with ways to improve upon the design, and intel making pretty good progress in sizing down chips along with balancing performance with battery efficiency. i think it's in apple's benefit to at least start researching and developing their own take on this now.. who knows.. maybe they already have.
but how can you say that with such confidence? recently, apple has been adopting more of the market trends.. ipad mini for example. and also related to what PDFiero said above.. if Apple becomes last to adapt.. then they will let competitors take away more of their market share.. the nexus 7 has already eaten away at the ipad's share. another example is the rumor of apple already testing larger display iphones.. even the 5C is a product resulting from apple reacting. with the pc market slowly dwindling.. it's smart that every manufacturer find ways to innovate the hardwares to renew consumer demand.
How is this argumentation related to a 2013 rMBP? I thought we talk about an upcoming product, not about some future benefits. Sorry but OEM costs and performance don't look good for the Iris 5200 pro. The performance gap will grow with the AMD Crystals series and nVidia's Maxwell series until the release of Broadwell. It doesn't matter for my 2013 purchase, that some future iGPU will be faster than a discrete GPU. That's why I complain. I'm just interested to get the best performance for the buck. If iGPUs are faster in the future, i will buy them.
You should really go and read the 200+ pages that precede your current discussion. You'll find that the question of whether or not the new rMBP will have a dGPU has been discussed in detail and that there are some seriously good arguments to expect this refresh to forego a dGPU. Sadly.
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I think the only argument that matters is the fact that giving the 15 rMBP Iris Pro will mean it's one of the most expensive laptops on the market with sub-par GPU and CPU performance compared to laptops half its price.
Not only does Iris Pro under perform as a GPU but you have to sacrifice speed on the CPU to support it. Without it you get a 400Mhz CPU bump - the 47W quads without it are cheaper and faster.
So a 15 MBP with HD4600 and 750M will have better CPU and GPU performance, and if you stay on the 4600 battery life will be the same too.
Not only that but an Iris pro is likely not any less expensive to include than a 750m especially bearing in mind you're getting a worse CPU and GPU, significantly so in both cases.
Honestly, some people really talk out of their ass on this forum. As it stands there is basically zero benefit to putting the Iris Pro in the 15, and a lot of draw backs. The 13 is the only one that would benefit.
The only time the Iris pro would confer any gain whatsoever over the alternative is doing heavy GPU work on battery power - which is a fringe case. Cue all the integrated "fanboys" saying that they do this all the time and only ever run off battery, while simultaneously claiming nobody uses or needs the GPU.
Why not put a 17w Air chip in your 15 MBP - I'm sure the battery life would be awesome then (actually probably wouldn't)! Nobody needs a 2.7Ghz quad core either, nobody uses GPUs or quad core CPUs so why offer them? It's sure funny listening to people say nobody uses a GPU, but need a quad core and 32Gb of ram. For the vast majority of people the ONLY thing that stresses the system is running games/graphical programs. You need 16Gb of RAM and a quad core about as much as you need a GPU for browsing the internet and running excel. So if you don't need a GPU you probably also don't need your quad core CPU or your 16Gb RAM either.
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