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The Leafs Fan said:
Did you even read what he said? You should probably stop refering to a dedicated GPU, as that can mean both a iGPU and a discrete GPU. And while you're at it, stop blathering this nonsense that some people have gotten in their heads that discrete GPUs will always be better, and give you more performance for your money.

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Yes, I did read what he said. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop referring to something because he and a few others are looking at it too technical.

I call it a dedicated GPU, always have, always will. Get over it! People know what it means.

And I am one who believes a dedicated GPU, such as the 650m will give me better performance than the crappy Intel graphics 4000.
 
Also, what ever happened to thinking that intel could give Apple a better version of the Iris GPUs? Perhaps they could add more cache or execution units.

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BlockEight88 said:
Yes, I did read what he said. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop referring to something because he and a few others are looking at it too technical.

I call it a dedicated GPU, always have, always will. Get over it! People know what it means.

And I am one who believes a dedicated GPU, such as the 650m will give me better performance than the crappy Intel graphics 4000.
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Well you can't expect people to treat you with the same respect they would if you refered to what you actually are talking about. Also, why are you refering to the Intel iGPU 4000? Why don't you take a look at this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7072/intel-hd-5000-vs-hd-4000-vs-hd-4400
 
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Thanks for the answer. I understand what you mean with the iGPU being useful for some people, because the dGPU cause/caused some problems. Your assumptions about pricing and battery can be contradicted. It does not mean that I am right, because Apple can get special deals.
From the Anandtech link:
"From talking to OEMs, NVIDIA seems to offer better performance at equivalent pricing with their GT 740M/750M solutions, which is why many PC OEMs have decided to go that route for their Haswell launch platforms." "The i7-4950HQ and i7-4850HQ are the only two Iris Pro 5200 parts launching today. A slower 2GHz i7-4750HQ will follow sometime in Q3. CPU clocks are a bit lower when you go to GT3, likely to preserve yield. Compared to the i7-4800MQ the 4850HQ carries a $90 premium."

The free space from the missing dGPU is not huge. Someone proposed that Apple could make a tiny dGPU shaped battery kit: Iris 5200 pro board http://www.computerbase.de/bildstrecke/50900/4/ and last years rMBP http://www.ifixit.com/MacBook-Parts/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Retina-2-3-GHz-Logic-Board/IF117-011

After looking at these pictures again, i still think we see Intels HQ line and a BTO option for a dGPU. It would be so simple to get some extra money without upsetting gamers/editors etc. Apple does not need to anything with the chassis for the base model with iGPU. Just remove a small piece of the heat sink and leave this tiny space free. And for 300$ extra you get a 755m (which cost them 70-90$).
 
I don't know if you guys noticed , but at the Hot Chips event, Intel presented a ULV Dual Core CPU with Iris Pro 5200 and with 128 mb of super fast ram / L4 cache (don't know how this part is called)
This would be the perfect match for the 13" rMBP.
 
chrizzz09 said:
I don't know if you guys noticed , but at the Hot Chips event, Intel presented a ULV Dual Core CPU with Iris Pro 5200 and with 128 mb of super fast ram / L4 cache (don't know how this part is called)
This would be the perfect match for the 13" rMBP.
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Do you have a source for that? Sounds pretty interesting.
 
Narcaz said:
@Creep 89 nice finding. Maybe a 15'' Air for all the battery life guys?

Just for the record: Not everything is worse with a Intel HQ processors. Beside TDP, the benefits are OpenCL performance and video transformation.

What i really don't like is Intel's way of selling iGPUs. A dual core with Iris Pro would be a beast for the 13'' rMBP. But they offer only higher GPU performance with their highend models (and those are slower than the MQ+dGPU combo). Even worse a 4750 HQ with 40 Execution Units has clock speeds at 200 - 1200 MHz (with Turbo Boost), a 4850 HQ is clocked at 200 - 1300 MHz (with Turbo Boost). There is no technical reason for stuff like that, they just want you to spend more money for a CPU and GPU performance increase. It just seems greedy.

Another reason is they don't allow external Thunderbolt GPUs, because it would attack their profitable highend market. For most users even an Air has enough CPU power. The main bottleneck is GPU performance and with an external dGPU this problem would be solved. But Intel would not see any extra money if you buy an external AMD/nVidia card.

With the switch to iGPU only, Apple would totally depend on Intel. A competition between Intel, nVidia and AMD seems more flexible. If Broadwell gets delayed (not unlikely) they have nothing new to offer in the GPU department until 2015 while others can sell Crystal and Maxwell GPU powered machines.
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Intel isn't magic. The reason we can't have external thunderbolt dGPUs Is that even thunderbolt doesn't have enough bandwidth. Even TB2 would only equal 1 PCIe x4
 
chrizzz09 said:
I don't know if you guys noticed , but at the Hot Chips event, Intel presented a ULV Dual Core CPU with Iris Pro 5200 and with 128 mb of super fast ram / L4 cache (don't know how this part is called)
This would be the perfect match for the 13" rMBP.
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Really? That would be very nice:D
 
 
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The Leafs Fan said:
You should check this out http://forum.techinferno.com/diy-e-gpu-projects/4271-2013-11-macbook-air-win7-sonnet-echo-expresscard-pe4l-internal-lcd-%5Bus%24250%5D.html

Also, you should check this out as well http://http://www.computershopper.com/computex-2013/diy-external-laptop-graphics!-computex-2013-preview-of-the-silverstone-t004-thunderbolt/silverstone-t004-external-thunderbolt-graphics-spec-card
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Yes I know. I have looked at both of those 100 times. My point is, that Intel isn't doing anything to stop people from using external GPUs and external GPUs don't work as well as you might think
 
Mattsasa said:
Yes I know. I have looked at both of those 100 times. My point is, that Intel isn't doing anything to stop people from using external GPUs and external GPUs don't work as well as you might think
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Of course we know it won't be working 100%, but any improvement is welcome. I also don't think graphics cards use all the bandwidth they specify.
 
The Leafs Fan said:
Of course we know it won't be working 100%, but any improvement is welcome. I also don't think graphics cards use all the bandwidth they specify.
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they don't, and as has it been proven numerous times (check toms hardware and anandtech pieces) you don't need all that bandwidth. there are some games that do benefit from it, basically ports a lot don't.

and in the end TB 1 = pcie x4, TB2 = pcie x8 all 2.0
 
The new MacBook Pros with Retina Display better come with IGZO...or at least something far better than what they're using now.

In the fall I personally went through three 15-inch MacBook Pro retinas that had awful screens. I ended up returning them & going back to my 17-inch MacBook Pro anti-glare.

I could see the potential, but the color on the screen of those 15-inchers was off. I tried using an X-Rite i1 to calibrate & it could not be calibrated to remove the bias. The Apple Store Geniuses agreed with me that the displays were off each time.

This summer, through my job, I ordered five of the 13-inch MacBook Pro retinas, and they were pretty on par for color accuracy. They are pretty sweet little machines. I've been using one since late July. I prefer a bigger screen but I'm slowly acclimating to the size. The only negative is that the screen could be brighter.

Also through my work this summer, I ordered a 15-inch MacBook Pro retina for another staff member. After all this time, there's still a magenta push that cannot be removed through calibration. I was so saddened to see this. It's obvious when side-by-side with the 13-inch MacBook Pro retina.

If I were to order a new 15-inch MacBook Pro for myself right now, I'd have to go with the 15-inch MacBook Pro classic version, as this model seems to be OK. But it being where we’re at in the cycle would be silly.

So back to IGZO — With Dell doing IGZO in their new 15-inch Precision M3800, I bet it’s totally possible in the next iteration of the MacBook Pro.

As I posted a few posts back, Lenovo is coming out with a 350 nit 13-inch Yoga with 3,200 x 1800. That’s better than the 13-inch Pro. So I definitely think brighter screens are in the offing too.

Both the Dell & Lenovo are due in October. So it seems like that's when Apple will unleash their next wares. Let’s hope — fingers crossed. I’ve been dying to replace my 17-inch MacBook Pro that’s 4-years-old. I feel good things are coming — even though I’m really having a hard time waiting! Let’s go, Apple!
 
Mr MM said:
they don't, and as has it been proven numerous times (check toms hardware and anandtech pieces) you don't need all that bandwidth. there are some games that do benefit from it, basically ports a lot don't.

and in the end TB 1 = pcie x4, TB2 = pcie x8 all 2.0
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Yeah I remember reading those articles a couple of months ago, I just didn't want to sound like an idiot if I was wrong, because I forgot where I read the articles.;)

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DHagan4755 said:
The new MacBook Pros with Retina Display better come with IGZO...or at least something far better than what they're using now.....So back to IGZO — With Dell doing IGZO in their new 15-inch Precision M3800, I bet it’s totally possible in the next iteration of the MacBook Pro.

As I posted a few posts back, Lenovo is coming out with a 350 nit 13-inch Yoga with 3,200 x 1800. That’s better than the 13-inch Pro. So I definitely think brighter screens are in the offing too.

Both the Dell & Lenovo are due in October. So it seems like that's when Apple will unleash their next wares. Let’s hope — fingers crossed. I’ve been dying to replace my 17-inch MacBook Pro that’s 4-years-old. I feel good things are coming — even though I’m really having a hard time waiting! Let’s go, Apple!
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I was thinking that too, if Dell and Lenovo can do it, why can't Apple do it with all their significant weight they carry around manufacturers. If not this year, I'll be disappointed if Apple doesn't implement them next year.
 
I'm going to write an article on predictions for the September 10th event, which is more likely, a September launch for the rmbps, a September announcement with the rmbps coming at a later date, or an October launch? I'm so far leaning towards a September announcement with the rmbps coming at a later date.

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PDFierro said:
Wow, it's Saturday. We are getting close to the event. Disappointment or excitement!
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Yeah, it's crunch time now.
 
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The Leafs Fan said:
I'm going to write an article on predictions for the September 10th event, which is more likely, a September launch for the rmbps, a September announcement with the rmbps coming at a later date, or an October launch? I'm so far leaning towards a September announcement with the rmbps coming at a later date.

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Yeah, it's crunch time now.
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I really hope your right
 
BlockEight88 said:
Yes, I did read what he said. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop referring to something because he and a few others are looking at it too technical.

I call it a dedicated GPU, always have, always will. Get over it! People know what it means.

And I am one who believes a dedicated GPU, such as the 650m will give me better performance than the crappy Intel graphics 4000.
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Yeah dude you really need to swallow your pride and get the basic terminology right. I've done it before. The feeling goes away soon and then you can be on the same page as the other folks, engineers, developers and experts, who truly know what they're talking about.

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The Leafs Fan said:
I'm going to write an article on predictions for the September 10th event, which is more likely, a September launch for the rmbps, a September announcement with the rmbps coming at a later date, or an October launch? I'm so far leaning towards a September announcement with the rmbps coming at a later date.

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Yeah, it's crunch time now.
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I give you permission to use my poll for your article. :D

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Mattsasa said:
I am so excited to be disappointed :)
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We need to set up a recovery thread for anyone who is disappointed.. :D

But if its not mentioned on Tuesday or silently refreshed, another hardware event is expected anyway, right?
 
If there is anything as significant as an IZGO screen update, I wouldn't think it would be a silent update. If just Haswell and ac, silent is a lot more likely.

If the Haswell rMBP isn't mentioned on 9/10, I'n not giving up hope for a September release -- a release on 9/21 would avoid returns from BTS buyers who learn of a Haswell update at the 9/10 event.
 
GSPice said:
But if its not mentioned on Tuesday or silently refreshed, another hardware event is expected anyway, right?
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What hardware might Apple introduce this year that would be exciting enough to warrant an announcement, rather than a silent update?
- Mac Pro
- Mac mini (if based on Airport Extreme / Time Capsule form factor)
- iPhones
- iPads
- Apple TV (if 4K content or an App Store will be supported)

The MBP and iMac just had exciting updates last year and will have very ordinary annual updates this year. iPods will never again warrant any flashy announcements. This year is too soon for an iWatch or smart TV.
 
GSPice said:
We need to set up a recovery thread for anyone who is disappointed.. :D

But if its not mentioned on Tuesday or silently refreshed, another hardware event is expected anyway, right?
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Yep, and we better hire some counselor a for some therapy on people that are having a hard time accepting that the rMBP didn't get announced or that the 5S / 5C or something didn't meet all their expectations
 
The Leafs Fan said:
I'm going to write an article on predictions for the September 10th event, which is more likely, a September launch for the rmbps, a September announcement with the rmbps coming at a later date, or an October launch? I'm so far leaning towards a September announcement with the rmbps coming at a later date.

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Yeah, it's crunch time now.
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What is your reasoning for a September launch of the rMBP? Opposed to October launch?
 
Mattsasa said:
Yep, and we better hire some counselor a for some therapy on people that are having a hard time accepting that the rMBP didn't get announced or that the 5S / 5C or something didn't meet all their expectations
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Mattsasa said:
having a hard time accepting that the rMBP didn't get announced
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Regardless of how much evidence there is either way, that part sticks out as sheer and unadulterated arrogance.

You do not know anything more than anyone else on this forum. Please don't act so holier-than-thou.
 
GSPice said:
I give you permission to use my poll for your article. :D
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That'll make my life a bit easier :)

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Mattsasa said:
What is your reasoning for a September launch of the rMBP? Opposed to October launch?
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Well, we've seen the launch of the Mac Pro announced several months before it's actual launch. The Retina MacBook Pro is in need of a refresh, it seems as if all the pieces are in place for a launch, or will be in place very soon, but I would think that a September 10th launch is a bit too early, and perhaps somewhere between either being launched from September 20th- 30th, or being announced in September and launched alongside the Mac Pro, perhaps they'll both come in black:D
 
abraxian said:
Regardless of how much evidence there is either way, that part sticks out as sheer and unadulterated arrogance.

You do not know anything more than anyone else on this forum. Please don't act so holier-than-thou.
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I wasn't saying I know anything, I was just making a joke. You mis interpreted my message. I have no idea what will be happening
I was poking fun at myself, because I know I will be overly upset if I have to wait yet another month
 
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