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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

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bbucy said:
For the 15", I agree with this. If they used a chip with 5200 graphics, then I don't see them adding discrete graphics. Would rather have discrete graphics kicking in when needed; GTX780M option would be great..

I'm going to be very disappointed if Apple does not at least announce MBPr 15" road-map at WWDC. Doesn't have to be released immediately, but at least let us know what is coming.
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haha, of course the power of a GTX 780m would be great, but to handle it the rMBP would have to be about 2-3 times the size. same goes for the power adapter. The TDP of the GTX 780m will probably be higher than 100W! (the MagSafe Power adapter can handle 85W [this is for the whole computer])
 
..or Apple decides to improve the MagSafe adapter and delivers the new rMBP with a 125W+ power supply. :eek:

But this won't happen I guess. :mad: I hope they can ship the new 15" rMBP shortly after the Keynote, I really need a new MacBook.
 
Creep89 said:
..or Apple decides to improve the MagSafe adapter and delivers the new rMBP with a 125W+ power supply. :eek:

But this won't happen I guess. :mad: I hope they can ship the new 15" rMBP shortly after the Keynote, I really need a new MacBook.
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The bigger problem is in handling a GPU with a higher TDP than the whole laptop now.
 
Also maybe one should keep in mind that this is not a line of gaming computers. There will always be mid-range graphics in the MBPs - although Apple might decide at some point that Iris is good enough for mid-range graphics.

Looking at some of the spec sheets, I guess the 15'' would be best of with HD4600 + discrete graphics, since the CPUs with Iris have reduced clock speeds to meet their TDP.

For the retina 13'' it's still not clear to me what kind of CPU will end up there. A quad core seems possible now, but better graphics (Iris!) would also be nice.
 
Wuiffi said:
haha, of course the power of a GTX 780m would be great, but to handle it the rMBP would have to be about 2-3 times the size. same goes for the power adapter. The TDP of the GTX 780m will probably be higher than 100W! (the MagSafe Power adapter can handle 85W [this is for the whole computer])
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Ya, that is a-bit ridiculous, but when you start looking at laying down $3K, you start getting ridiculous on what to expect. :) Just so they don't start skimping on components.
 
I would much rather like an Iris graphics GPU than a quad core CPU. It always seems to be the GPU that is holding a computer back.

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Anyways. If the rMBP 13 inch does not have Iris, I will get a MBA. If the computer sucks at graphics I might as well get a cheaper one with longer battery life and forget about any gaming.
 
Seems only the MBA will be updated at the WWDC. And new MBPs shipping later... I think there is truth in these rumors.
 
Mackan said:
Seems only the MBA will be updated at the WWDC. And new MBPs shipping later... I think there is truth in these rumors.
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Why? Because a rumour company got those price points but not others? Are you ignoring Kui's prediction for WWDC which includes a refresh of the rMBPs?
 
B... said:
Why? Because a rumour company got those price points but not others? Are you ignoring Kui's prediction for WWDC which includes a refresh of the rMBPs?
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Not ignoring anything, but I am getting the overall picture. I saw the new front page rumors. And since I've heard repeated times that the new MBP might ship later now, I think it may the case. We'll see.
 
Mackan said:
Not ignoring anything, but I am getting the overall picture. I saw the new front page rumors. And since I've heard repeated times that the new MBP might ship later now, I think it may the case. We'll see.
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I would think they would want to refresh their "flagship" model during such a big event. My fingers are still crossed :)
 
Do you honestly think they will do a full re-model of the rMBP line? I would think its too new for that big of an update. A would expect a refresh of "current" CPU's/GPU's just to stay consistent with the rest of the line. Apple is also (as well all know) notorious for doing silent updates! We have seen this with iMACs, MBPs and more than a few times with the TCs and APEs.;)
 
APPLE-FANATIC said:
Do you honestly think they will do a full re-model of the rMBP line? I would think its too new for that big of an update. A would expect a refresh of "current" CPU's/GPU's just to stay consistent with the rest of the line. Apple is also (as well all know) notorious for doing silent updates! We have seen this with iMACs, MBPs and more than a few times with the TCs and APEs.;)
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I don't think anyone is expecting something drastic. Haswell, maybe 16GB option for 13", more standard storage on the 13" and MAYBE a tiny price drop is all I am realistically dreaming of. Less than half that is probably going to happen.
 
this might be a stupid qst, but for the higher end rMBP, would it matter what Intel graphics card they have considering they would have a dedicated Nvidia graphics card?
 
robbie y said:
this might be a stupid qst, but for the higher end rMBP, would it matter what Intel graphics card they have considering they would have a dedicated Nvidia graphics card?
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That only applies to the 15" but yes.
 
robbie y said:
this might be a stupid qst, but for the higher end rMBP, would it matter what Intel graphics card they have considering they would have a dedicated Nvidia graphics card?
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the problem is that some website claims Intel IGP is as good as GT650M
which is still unproven, so there MIGHT be chance that Apple will instead go for the IGP.
That would be bad news for many of us that doesn't expecting only Intel IGP in a PRO machine.
terrible choice
 
voyagerd said:
But Intel "won" Apple and beat out Nvidia on the MacBook Pros. Doesn't that sound like Apple chose to only use Intel graphics?
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No, Apple chose Intel for CPU but nVidia and AMD for their high-end GPUs. Cutting it out now would result in a 20-40% decrease in speed over the last generation, because the HD5200 is slower than a 650M (128 MB of dRAM cannot compete with 1 GB).
 
voyagerd said:
But Intel "won" Apple and beat out Nvidia on the MacBook Pros. Doesn't that sound like Apple chose to only use Intel graphics?
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Where is that from?

Iris Pro doesn't really beat NVidia in a computer where there's room and cooling for a dedicated GPU. It has less performance than the 750M and is just as expensive.
 
B... said:
No, Apple chose Intel for CPU but nVidia and AMD for their high-end GPUs. Cutting it out now would result in a 20-40% decrease in speed over the last generation, because the HD5200 is slower than a 650M (128 MB of dRAM cannot compete with 1 GB).
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Apple's done similar things with the Mac Mini, going between offering dedicated and processor graphics. There's also the fact that their software engineers absolutely hate having to deal with two driver stacks to deal with both dedicated and processor graphics and switching between them.
 
Maybe they are waiting for the new IGZO displays to ramp up in production, after all. However, I do recall those displays were offered in a 16:9 format, which would require a redesign of the MBP chassi.

That, or they want CPUs with the full Iris Pro (expensive though). I don't think they have yield issues with the current displays.
 
Mackan said:
Maybe they are waiting for the new IGZO displays to ramp up in production, after all. However, I do recall those displays were offered in a 16:9 format, which would require a redesign of the MBP chassi.

That, or they want CPUs with the full Iris Pro (expensive though). I don't think they have yield issues with the current displays.
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No 16:9 ratio please. :(
I hate that, its so horrible to be used for working.
 
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