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It seems that we haven't made much progress since we were at 8000 posts -- except that we now have Haswell iMacs and know that Apple's incremental DRAM pricing remains the same, but incremental SSD pricing has improved. We also know that the Haswell iMacs don't have Thunderbolt 2, so the Haswell MBPs probably also won't have Thunderbolt 2. Speculation about integrated versus discrete GPUs in the 15" MBP remains inconclusive. A 1080p FaceTime camera also remains speculative. Haswell CPUs, 802.11ac, and PCIe SSD are the only improvements we can count on with anything near certainty.

A special recap for post 9,000? I say we go into double digits before the Haswell rMBP is released.
 
If Haswell iris pro is faster than 640M

And broadwell is going to close the gap even further....

Does that mean that broadwell graphics will be faster than 750M?

Sorry if my logic is not sound

Yeah I definitely think next years Intel graphics will beat the 750M.

I don't see how any of what you said makes me wrong. Yes, Apple overclocked the 650m, I said that. And yes, they could overclock the 750m to the 755m range. My point is that it's not the equivalency people are making it out to be:

650m, 750m and 755m are all the same chip. The difference is their stock clock speeds. That means that a 650m overlocked to the same speeds as a 750m basically is a 750m, just with greater potential for instability (obviously the 750m chips will be a more stable batch or Intel wouldn't be selling them at those clocks).

But I don't care how stable those chips are, you're not going to clock them much higher without issues (or introducing way more power and cooling). There simply is very little overclocking headroom left on a 750m. In other words, no matter what you do the 750m cannot be a significant upgrade over the overclocked 650m Apple used last year. And it definitely will use more power/heat for any performance gains it manages, because that's the only way it can happen.

In other words the 15" really can't end up with a serious GPU improvement this year without going to a larger more power-hungry chip (760m), it's just not possible.

To make this simpler:
650m--------------------------650m overclocked-------750m-----755m/750m overclocked

The 755M is the 660M equivalent for this years series. I didn't mean to state you are wrong in the sense that it will not be a significant performance boost. I was simply stating that you are wrong in the sense that it will be a different situation this year. The 650M clocks at ~735 MHz with the 660M at ~835 MHz. The 750M clocks at ~967 MHz , and the 755M at ~980 MHz. Yet even though the gap between clocks is smaller with the 750M-755M the performance gains remain the same as was true with the 650M-660M.

Also, it's obvious to note that NVIDIA figured out a way to make the 750M more compatible at higher clocks than the 650M was. It is a rebranded chip, but that does not mean it is exactly the same.

I simply think Apple would clock it to be around a 753M ;)
 
The Broadwell CPUs with high-end integrated graphics (whatever will replace the Iris Pro 5200) is expected, based on Intel's claims, to outperform the 750M.

That is going to be sick!

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Apple is simply just waiting for this thread to get to 10,000 posts. Then and only then will the rMBPs be released.

So let's hurry it up people !
 
i hope for Iris Pro base model 15" MBP but with extra $150 build to go with 755M...it produce less heat than 650M and if they put 1g vRAM into the imacs, i suppose 2gb vRAM for macbook will be fine
 
why are we thinking tuesday?

If a silent release, Apple would do it on a Tuesday. So while we are expecting the rMBP to be at the iPad event, it could happen any Tuesday until then. Not likely, but a possibility that can't be ignored.
 
One other thing about the Haswell iMac's, the price was not reduced for any of the models, so does that mean that when the Haswell Retina MacBook Pros come out, the price will stay the same?

I am hoping the base 13 inch goes to $1299 or $1399 with the higher end model being $1499 or $1599.

I am hoping for the base 15 inch model maybe to be $1999 with the higher end model being $2499 or $2599.

Also, I have heard some talk about an October 15 event. We'll see. Apple's got a lot of products left to update.
 
One other thing about the Haswell iMac's, the price was not reduced for any of the models, so does that mean that when the Haswell Retina MacBook Pros come out, the price will stay the same?

I am hoping the base 13 inch goes to $1299 or $1399 with the higher end model being $1499 or $1599.

I am hoping for the base 15 inch model maybe to be $1999 with the higher end model being $2499 or $2599.

Also, I have heard some talk about an October 15 event. We'll see. Apple's got a lot of products left to update.

There has been some cuts in France, about $100 cheaper
 
Very likely a silent update since the IMac more or less carried the same innovations as the expected haswell rMBP and was silently updated.
So every tuesday in october might come with .... little surprise!
And the day after tomorrow is tuesday!

As for the Apple event, they will present mac pro, ipad and Maverick. More than enough to speak with.

PS: in France and Germany rMBP is at 1499 while in Italy, Netherlands and Spain is at 1529. In Ireland it tops 1549€ while in Luxembourg it's just 1453,19 €. Strange this differences within a single currency area. It's extremely cheap (1380€) in Switzerland, and I don't live too far away from it....
 
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One other thing about the Haswell iMac's, the price was not reduced for any of the models, so does that mean that when the Haswell Retina MacBook Pros come out, the price will stay the same?

I am hoping the base 13 inch goes to $1299 or $1399 with the higher end model being $1499 or $1599.

I am hoping for the base 15 inch model maybe to be $1999 with the higher end model being $2499 or $2599.

Also, I have heard some talk about an October 15 event. We'll see. Apple's got a lot of products left to update.

Wishful thinking, the price will stay the same. Maybe $100 drop, in the 13. And maybe $200 in the 15. Assuming they keep the base ssd the same.

Most likely case: the base ssd will stay at 128, and the price will remain the same
 
The Broadwell CPUs with high-end integrated graphics (whatever will replace the Iris Pro 5200) is expected, based on Intel's claims, to outperform the 750M.

What kind of performance would be expected from nvidia's dGPU offering by then? Certainly better but not as far ahead.
 
Just wondering what we can expect from the new 13" rMBP coming out within the next couple weeks. Stock option, not custom configuration, any dGPU? Or which iGPU with Haswell? Also, do you think it will be a silent launch?
 
Just wondering what we can expect from the new 13" rMBP coming out within the next couple weeks. Stock option, not custom configuration, any dGPU? Or which iGPU with Haswell? Also, do you think it will be a silent launch?

Definitely no dGPU in the 13-inch. Intel Iris 5100 as far as the iGPU goes. Dual-core Haswell processors. Most of us are expecting 128GB SSD to remain as the base option.
 
13" is well defined.

Intel i5 dual core at 2.4Ghz, Intel Iris iGPU, 8GB ram.

The only two question marks are price and base SSD.
 
nice

It seems that we haven't made much progress since we were at 8000 posts -- except that we now have Haswell iMacs and know that Apple's incremental DRAM pricing remains the same, but incremental SSD pricing has improved. We also know that the Haswell iMacs don't have Thunderbolt 2, so the Haswell MBPs probably also won't have Thunderbolt 2. Speculation about integrated versus discrete GPUs in the 15" MBP remains inconclusive. A 1080p FaceTime camera also remains speculative. Haswell CPUs, 802.11ac, and PCIe SSD are the only improvements we can count on with anything near certainty.

You summed that up quite nicely. Why ever did we need 9000 posts for that?
 
13" is well defined.

Intel i5 dual core at 2.4Ghz, Intel Iris iGPU, 8GB ram.

The only two question marks are price and base SSD.

Well we could get a 16GB RAM option, but I doubt it. But yeah, 2.4 i5 CPU. Also a 2.6 i5 if Apple decides to use it, and obviously 2.8 i7.

I don't think prices will go down on the 13-inch, they already did that in February. If anything, it'd be $100. I would love to see 256GB SSD as base, but I don't see that happening either.
 
So while we are expecting the rMBP to be at the iPad event, it could happen any Tuesday until then.
I would be surprised if the Haswell MBP were announced at the iPad event. I expect a silent release.

What kind of performance would be expected from nvidia's dGPU offering by then? Certainly better but not as far ahead.
I don't know; I no longer have an inside source in nvidia engineering. My guess is that nvidia will still be able to produce a desktop discrete GPU that is faster than Intel's integrated GPUs, but maybe not in the laptops.

Just wondering what we can expect from the new 13" rMBP coming out within the next couple weeks. Stock option, not custom configuration, any dGPU? Or which iGPU with Haswell?
It's a safe bet that the 13" Haswell MBP will have Intel Iris 5100 HD integrated graphics and no discrete GPU. It's less clear with the 15" model. I expect base DRAM and SSD capacities to probably be the same as they are now.
 
I would be surprised if the Haswell MBP were announced at the iPad event. I expect a silent release.

That would make many people very happy, including myself. But it'd be such a shock to wake up and find that the Haswell rMBP is out, much like how the iMac came.
 
It seems that we haven't made much progress since we were at 8000 posts -- except that we now have Haswell iMacs and know that Apple's incremental DRAM pricing remains the same, but incremental SSD pricing has improved. We also know that the Haswell iMacs don't have Thunderbolt 2, so the Haswell MBPs probably also won't have Thunderbolt 2. Speculation about integrated versus discrete GPUs in the 15" MBP remains inconclusive. A 1080p FaceTime camera also remains speculative. Haswell CPUs, 802.11ac, and PCIe SSD are the only improvements we can count on with anything near certainty.

The fact that the iMac doesn't have Thunderbolt 2 doesn't really signify to me that the Retina MacBook Pro won't recieve Thunderbolt 2.

Lets just take a step back and look to WWDC in June. They released updated MacBook Air's with everything the new iMac received. Haswell CPU, 802.11ac networking, PCIe based SSD Stick.

So if they have the same upgrades why didn't the iMac release back in June? Because the CPU that the iMac uses wasn't ready. Similarly the Retina MacBook Pro did not debut at WWDC ether.

So lets fast forward to this month the new iMac releases and yet still no new Retina MacBook Pro. Based on what you're saying the Retina MacBook Pro will have the same upgrades that the MacBook Air and iMac received, Haswell CPU, 802.11ac networking and a PCIe based SSD Stick. So why isn't it released?

I would surmise the same reason the iMac wasn't released at WWDC. There is a processor holding the MacBook Pro's back from being released and I believe that to be Thunderbolt 2 which we all know is coming before the end of this year in the Mac Pro which again isn't released yet.

This to me is significant because they showed the Mac Pro off at WWDC on stage in post-keynote sessions. And by this I mean they actually had one being used by presenters as developers were there. This indicates the hardware was finished to such a degree they felt confident enough to use it in-front of hundreds of people.

So why isn't the Mac Pro released yet if it was already finished in June? Because of Thunderbolt 2. It was obviously using sample silicon from Intel and we know that Thunderbolt 2 isn't coming to the end of this year.

So to me this all points to rMBP and Mac Pro releasing at the same time in the future with Thunderbolt 2.

As to why the iMac never received Thunderbolt 2 I would argue it's a consumer machine just as the MacBook Air is, if it has Pro in the name (Mac Pro, MacBook Pro) then it'll receive Thunderbolt 2 this year and then next year we'll see the consumer products receive Thunderbolt 2.
 
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