Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[Krazy Bill]

Except for the leaked benchmarks.

And the fact that buys aren't comparing desktops to laptops because those comparisons are apples to oranges, no pun intended.

And the fact that iGPUs are where the industry is going.

And the fact that most consumers don't even know what's faster, but rather will just go with the marketing hype.

All valid points to be sure. But I don't think Apple is ready to ween the dGPU buyers just yet. They've typically laid out a path to discontinue components and perceived features gracefully. (Hence the availability of the cMBP's).

Perhaps the dGPU will be a BTO option this time but it will be there. So nope, Cold Turkey is too harsh a punishment this round - even for Apple. What people should be thinking about is what their next 15" laptop will look like after Haswell. (I tend to think in these terms).

 

[uniq]

5 days 1 hr ish to go

 

[john123]

All valid points to be sure. But I don't think Apple is ready to ween the dGPU buyers just yet. They've typically laid out a path to discontinue components and perceived features gracefully. (Hence the availability of the cMBP's).

Perhaps the dGPU will be a BTO option this time but it will be there. So nope, Cold Turkey is too harsh a punishment this round - even for Apple. What people should be thinking about is what their next 15" laptop will look like after Haswell. (I tend to think in these terms).

I strongly disagree, as this has been a company that's not had any problem making large under-the-hood changes in the past, and a BTO option would make a mess of the iGPU marketing. Plus to users, this sort of thing is entirely transparent; your post made it sound like it was a big deal, but from the user experience side, it's practically a non-issue. But time will tell.

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Can. Not. Wait.

I don't need to feel better about the wait -- I couldn't care less about it.

(Pretty sure that given the monumental loss in credibility you just took, I don't even need to bother responding to the rest of your rambling post.)

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Newcomer to this thread. Having skimmed a few pages of this thread it sounds like there's a consensus that Apple will NOT release a Haswell MBP Tuesday. Can someone simplify as to why?

I think there is anything but consensus. The argument for "why not" generally stems from the fact that when Apple hosts an event to highlight a product, unless it's a broad spectrum event like WWDC, they don't like to spread the thunder out in too many different directions. That said, the way things were phrased on the last earnings call and the nature of the text of the event invitation make this anyone's guess.

The concensous is exactly the opposite -- with the exception of a few trolls and a few pessimists, everyone else expectes the new MBP's to be announced on Tuesday.

Sorry, who are you again to declare what the "consensus" (fixed the spelling for ya there, chief) is? Have you conducted a public opinion poll to support your conclusions? No? Then stop making stuff up.

 

[Krazy Bill]

I strongly disagree, as this has been a company that's not had any problem making large under-the-hood changes in the past, and a BTO option would make a mess of the iGPU marketing. But time will tell.

How will a BTO dGPU option mess up/conflict with iGPU base only units? Not to mention, everything will still have iGPU's.

Or are you saying that putting a dGPU in a machine validates that an iGPU on its own is inferior to having both? That's pretty much how it is. The new iMac with its Nvidia BTO says that as well.

 

[toneLA]

I strongly disagree, as this has been a company that's not had any problem making large under-the-hood changes in the past, and a BTO option would make a mess of the iGPU marketing. Plus to users, this sort of thing is entirely transparent; your post made it sound like it was a big deal, but from the user experience side, it's practically a non-issue. But time will tell.

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(Pretty sure that given the monumental loss in credibility you just took, I don't even need to bother responding to the rest of your rambling post.)

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I think there is anything but consensus. The argument for "why not" generally stems from the fact that when Apple hosts an event to highlight a product, unless it's a broad spectrum event like WWDC, they don't like to spread the thunder out in too many different directions. That said, the way things were phrased on the last earnings call and the nature of the text of the event invitation make this anyone's guess.



Sorry, who are you again to declare what the "consensus" (fixed the spelling for ya there, chief) is? Have you conducted a public opinion poll to support your conclusions? No? Then stop making stuff up.

I can not wait to see the trolls faces. On the other hand, I don't mind the long wait to get my hands on the new rMBP. I never said otherwise.

 

[dzarc]

I'm so confused now. Isn't offering dGPU in the BTO similar to offering faster speed for the processor in BTO? What's the big deal?

 

[PDFierro]

Heard this as well but I’m puzzled why Apple would even make .04mm a priority which is why I question the validity of such a claim. Aesthetically, nobody would notice. Admittedly though, I’m not sure how a .04mm savings in aluminum translates into profits though. I’d think it would be negligible.

I think it's just Apple being Apple. The 13 and 15-inch models would then share the same thickness. It's a minimal change, but I'm all for it.

 

[Krazy Bill]

I'm so confused now. Isn't offering dGPU in the BTO similar to offering faster speed for the processor in BTO? What's the big deal?

The big deal is it will now cost more if you want it. (Like the iMac). Right now the dGPU comes standard.

I think it's just Apple being Apple. The 13 and 15-inch models would then share the same thickness. It's a minimal change, but I'm all for it.

Honestly, I wouldn't have known about the difference in thickness unless I had read it some time ago. And .04mm isn't enough for Apple to scream, "It's thinner!" so I'd really be surprised if they even change this.

Whatever. I couldn't care less.

 

[dzarc]

Heard this as well but I’m puzzled why Apple would even make .04mm a priority which is why I question the validity of such a claim. Aesthetically, nobody would notice. Admittedly though, I’m not sure how a .04mm savings in aluminum translates into profits though. I’d think it would be negligible.

A minor nitpick here. But we're talking about 0.04 inches, not mm. Which is about 1 mm or 25x.04mm.

 

[Krazy Bill]

A minor nitpick here. But we're talking about 0.04 inches, not mm. Which is about 1 mm or 25x.04mm.

Oh. Ok. I still don't care.

 

[dzarc]

The big deal is it will now cost more if you want it. (Like the iMac). Right now the dGPU comes standard.

Maybe the base price will be lowered to offset that? I hope

 

[PDFierro]

How will a BTO dGPU option mess up/conflict with iGPU base only units? Not to mention, everything will still have iGPU's.

Or are you saying that putting a dGPU in a machine validates that an iGPU on its own is inferior to having both? That's pretty much how it is. The new iMac with its Nvidia BTO says that as well.

On the iGPU models, wouldn't there just be an empty space for where the dGPU component would normally be? Seems better to fully optimize the machine for the iGPU, like how the 13-inch is iGPU-only.

 

[ScubaCinci]

Not sure why everyone is arguing over this. Regardless of how much you want it or how much it makes sense, it will be what it will be. Save it for your gripes in the "Apple screwed us" thread when it's not configured like you hope.

 

[goMac]

On the iGPU models, wouldn't there just be an empty space for where the dGPU component would normally be? Seems better to fully optimize the machine for the iGPU, like how the 13-inch is iGPU-only.

Isn't there going to be an empty space where the dGPU is now? Is there a reason an empty space would be a bad thing?

Apple has done this before anyway. There were previous Macbook Pros that had an integrated 9400m, with a second 9600m as an add in option. So the possibility of this has already been addressed in previous models.

 

[Mstf]

Hi everyone.

I've been following this topic from May 2013 but didn't post. That's my first post for both this mega topic and MacRumors Forums.

I thank for anyone who shares amazing informative messages which contribute this topic and let it be mega.

I hope Apple'd surprise each of us with new MacBook Pro's.

 

[Leudast]

My Ideal System:

14" rMBP (14" is ideal for business class)

• Higher Rez IZGO 16:10
• i74558U
• 740m dGPU
• 16GB Ram
• 3x USB 3.0
• TB 2.0
• Matte Screen (or at least not super glossy)
• Base 256GB SSD

What we're probably going to get:

• Same screen same rez
• i74558U
• iris 5100
• 8GB Ram
• 2x USB 3.0
• TB 1.0
• Glossy Screen
• Base 128GB SSD

Still nice, but if they don't up to at least 16GB RAM I'm not buying.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

My Ideal System:

14" rMBP (14" is ideal for business class)

• Higher Rez IZGO 16:10
• i74558U
• 740m dGPU
• 16GB Ram
• 3x USB 3.0
• TB 2.0
• Matte Screen (or at least not super glossy)
• Base 256GB SSD

What we're probably going to get:

• Same screen same rez
• i74558U
• iris 5100
• 8GB Ram
• 2x USB 3.0
• TB 1.0
• Glossy Screen
• Base 128GB SSD

Still nice, but if they don't up to at least 16GB RAM I'm not buying.

sounds like you're not buying then

 

[Rick-ITA]

I hate this final waiting....

On tuesday evening (afternoon for you America!) I will stand ready with my credit card

Back to the IWork talk, do you think we will see the new version? Opinions on the possibile improvements? Will at least pages catch up with word?

Still nice, but if they don't up to at least 16GB RAM I'm not buying.

sounds like you're not buying then

A 16GB option for the 13" is very likely IMHO. It comes at no cost for Apple.

 

[PDFierro]

I hate this final waiting....

On tuesday evening (afternoon for you America!) I will stand ready with my credit card

Back to the IWork talk, do you think we will see the new version? Opinions on the possibile improvements? Will at least pages catch up with word?

I will be following the event live and ordering as soon as we can.

So you decided on the rMBP? Last you said you were back and forth between the rMBP and MBA.

 

[Rick-ITA]

Yes at the end, if they will not raise prices, I will go for the retina (base model). Big troubles will be if rMBP get delayed until 2014!!! But in any case I will buy a laptop next tuesday, I need it.

Another question: is there any chance that also Aperture get updated? Actually I use lightroom to process raw files, I love its capacities but I hate its workflow.

I was thinking at using Aperture for pictures that needs few postproduction, and keep lightroom for heavy works, expecially noise reduction.

So at the cost of having a lot of program installed I was thinking at having:
- IWork (full version)
- VMware with win XP (to save precious space)
- Excel for win (perhaps also word)
- lightroom
- Aperture

 

[PDFierro]

Yes at the end, if they will not raise prices, I will go for the retina (base model).

Another question: is there any chance that also Aperture get updated? Actually I use lightroom to process raw files, I love its capacities but I hate its workflow.

I was thinking at using Aperture for pictures that needs few postproduction, and keep lightroom for heavy works, expecially noise reduction.

No base model for me. So I will have to wait another week after Tuesday. I think it's definitely possible that the 13-inch will get a 16GB RAM option, at least that's more likely than a 256GB SSD coming as standard.

 

[Ifti]

My credit card has been ready for the past 6 months!

 

[FrozenDarkness]

i wonder if i'm able to find an apple employee to buy this for me

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Newcomer to this thread. Having skimmed a few pages of this thread it sounds like there's a consensus that Apple will NOT release a Haswell MBP Tuesday. Can someone simplify as to why?

Thanks.

Apple will release new MBP next Tuesday. No worries. It will happen. Mark my words.

 

[Rick-ITA]

This function I think I will really love it:

Run Windows Applications Like Mac Applications

Launch Windows applications directly from the Dock, Spotlight or Launchpad and view them in Exposé, Spaces and Mission Control as if they were Mac applications. Easily interact with Windows applications using Mac shortcuts and intuitive gestures.