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Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)

Now that the 2016 Models are out, will you buy a 2016 Model?

  • No, They increased the cost far to much. The Apple i once new loved appears to have disappeared.

    Votes: 465 36.6%

  • No, I really wanted a Kaby Lake processor, ill wait till 2017

    Votes: 325 25.6%

  • Yes, Im ordering a 2016 now, or already placed an order already.

    Votes: 482 37.9%
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To play devil's advocate, what's the real-world need to skip to Kaby Lake over Skylake? Personally think the screen, SSD, graphics card, and housing improvements are just as important or more than the CPU differential. Maybe it's a deal if you don't have discrete graphics...

My 2012 Macbook Pro is still quite fast, the only really outdated things are the SSD, graphics card, and battery.
 
huckg said:
To play devil's advocate, what's the real-world need to skip to Kaby Lake over Skylake? Personally think the screen, SSD, graphics card, and housing improvements are just as important or more than the CPU differential. Maybe it's a deal if you don't have discrete graphics...

My 2012 Macbook Pro is still quite fast, the only really outdated things are the SSD, graphics card, and battery.
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Hardware VP9 10bit / hvec 265 main10 acceleration, the next gen video formats, unless you don't mind your fans spinning at max watching Netflix and YouTube in the future. The new generation of dgpu' have it, but if you opt for the base model...
 
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Hardware VP9 10bit / hvec 265 main10 acceleration, the next gen video formats, unless you don't mind your fans spinning at max watching Netflix and YouTube in the future. The new generation of dgpu' have it, but if you opt for the base model...
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...and Intel Optane support. Personally, the h.265 main10 hardware decode is the most important to me.
 
huckg said:
To play devil's advocate, what's the real-world need to skip to Kaby Lake over Skylake? Personally think the screen, SSD, graphics card, and housing improvements are just as important or more than the CPU differential. Maybe it's a deal if you don't have discrete graphics...

My 2012 Macbook Pro is still quite fast, the only really outdated things are the SSD, graphics card, and battery.
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The biggest reason i could see them skipping skylake is to make sure they are upto date and not push away anymore customers than they already have, based on their sales reports they are not doing that well. They will loose alot more potential sales from those who are used to buying the top of the macbooks with the top of the line (current) processors at the time of purchase. I actually used to buy apple everything, Imac, Macbook pro, I even have 2 mac pro desktop 12 cores (originally 8) but i gave up waiting for skylake. It was taking far to long and since apple doesn't give announcements telling us that they are releasing a skylake or kabylake this year, i said screw it and snatched up a nice asus win 10 zenbook that has all the features i wanted in a mac pro for far less. I got it during the amazon 20% off sale.

I now have an Skylake I7-6700HQ quad core processor, 16GB Ram, sm951 512gb SSd (super fast, see photo), thunderbolt 3/usb 3.1 connection, 960m, 15.6 in 4k screen (touch screen), and a nice aluminium case and i got it for $920 (20% off coupon that was returned/not registered from amazon warehouse)

As much as i love apple and there computers there comes a time when consumers need to not let apple take advantage of them and stop paying premium prices for outdated products. The iphone 7 is proof of their new direction (still no oled screen). If skylake was out by now then i would have got a 15" macbook pro, but its not. If they do kaby lake in September ill be happy to buy that one and sell my zenbook or pass it along to family, but i doubt that is going to happen so long as Tim Cook is in charge. He is taking apple backwards and deleting what made them so successful (premium prices, but top of the line products). Now hes just hoping those loyal fans will continue to upgrade at premium prices with cheaper hardware just so apple can make even more money at their customers expense. If they were making their products in the USA id think a differential about it all, but everything is made in china.
 

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don't get your hopes high with optane technology, it will take years still before we see them adopted in laptops/consumer products.
current top drives are already fast enough for an average laptop use, see the picture above from the OP.
 
gregoryalee said:
I have started looking into building a Windows 10 computer. After doing the math, I will have a 6 core desktop with 32 gig of ram for Pro Tools and I will still have money left over to buy a macbook instead of purchasing a MBP. Might just do that.
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I'm thinking about doing almost the same choices, but with a Linux workstation (most of my data-science tools work better on Linux) with a macbook to work on the go.

That's maybe the good side of this waiting. For me, instead of buying as usual the last MBP every 3 years, I'm assessing for new kind of hardware that enventually will match better with my needs. Without this (very long) waiting, I would have repeated my old renewal habit.

Yes, I try hard to find a good side of this :)
 
From what I recall, Optane for RAM won't be much of a thing for desktop/laptop because they're around one to two orders of magnitude slower in latency compared to DDR3/4. Their selling point for RAM interfaces will be the large capacity, and that will see some uses in certain niche applications but not on laptops.

They will however make a good replacement for current NAND flashes for SSDs, but I'm not sure if we'll be seeing actual consumer products until next year when Kaby Lake rMBPs will launch.
 
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From what I recall, Optane for RAM won't be much of a thing for desktop/laptop because they're around one to two orders of magnitude slower in latency compared to DDR3/4. Their selling point for RAM interfaces will be the large capacity, and that will see some uses in certain niche applications but not on laptops.
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Also for low-power devices, since 3D Xpoint is non-volatile.
 
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Gawd, enough with the 1s and 0s! I can't get the lyrics to The Body Electric out of my head now... o_O
 
Holding out for Kaby Lake myself. Have about a 5 year old macbook (no retina, 802.11n, USB 2.0!!!). I upgraded the HDD to an SSD which has held me out, but really would love retina and a USB port that's not terrible.

Why not upgrade now?

As others have mentioned, I'm mostly holding out for (a) igpu HEVC decoding - I'm tired of even my current macbook overheating and barely being able to play 480p videos and (b) optane SSD's if we get them.

Anyone know if there's any chance to get a quad core in a 13"? I'm guessing it hasn't been done simply because of heat and the form factor. Probably are some PC's laptops that have jammed a quad core into a small laptop, though.

Really tired of dual core, but don't really want a huge 15" laptop.
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Admiral said:
For the life of me I cannot understand what Apple is doing with MacBook Pro. My kid goes to college on August 21 and by all rights I should be packing her off to school with a brand-new MBP. But there is no way I'm paying the Apple premium for 2013 technology at the end of 2016. Back-to-School with nothing new? What a missed opportunity.
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Where are you coming up with 2013? Yes, the macbook pro is a little old, but the chip in it was released in 2015, just a bit over a year old, not 3 years old.
 
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but the chip in it was released in 2015
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Really? I think the chip in it is an i7-4770HQ. And that was released in Q3 2014. And even so, it's just a refreshed Haswell, which came to market in 2013. So yeah, it's basically 2013 tech.

Edit: Oh, you're refering to the 13" model. It's newer.
 
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I check every now and then to see if anything is happening. (Spoiler: no. He seems to have taken a long break. Which is streamed as video.) Coincidentally, I also check the MBP threads to see if anything is happening. (Spoiler: no. Apple seem to have taken a long break. But it's not streamed as video.)
 
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Guys I'm slipping, tell me it's not worth it to buy the mid 2015 MBP. Currently on a 6 year old laptop. Well and new desktop.
 
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Guys I'm slipping, tell me it's not worth it to buy the mid 2015 MBP. Currently on a 6 year old laptop. Well and new desktop.
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It's not worth it to buy the mid-2015 MBP.

Kaby Lake chips are shipping, the MBP rumor mill is in hyperdrive, USB-C interfaces will be the shiznit in a couple of months. Or, the new MBPs will come out and the price of that mid-2015 MBP will tank, you'll buy one at the now-tanked price and be happy with it.

I'm waiting for Kaby Lake... :D
 
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IDF16 kicks off in SF next Tuesday. They should have some Kaby Lake U processors to show off. It's going to be really a tough sell for Apple to pawn off SkyLake processors on the new build, if Intel and partners are showing off Kaby Lake laptops next week.
 
Ries said:
Hardware VP9 10bit / hvec 265 main10 acceleration, the next gen video formats, unless you don't mind your fans spinning at max watching Netflix and YouTube in the future. The new generation of dgpu' have it, but if you opt for the base model...
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precisely. This is the exact reason I'm waiting for Kaby Lake. It's my hope that the new MBP will debut with Kaby Lake instead of Sky Lake. I'd be ok with Apple refreshing the lineup with Kaby Lake six months after, although I'm sure the initial buyers would be none too pleased. I think Apple knows this, hence the extremely protracted unveiling. My bet at this point is that the new MBP will have Kaby Lake.
 
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