MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[Peace]

Can anyone show me undeniable proof that Johnny Ive is even the one to blame? or is he just the easy target.

Think about this logically, why would he be taking over the design team NOW? why now?

Why ?

Because he's done playing interior designer for the Spaceship/Retail stores and it happens to be around the same time the mMP is reaching a new step in the design process that requires Ive's input.

But it's not just the mMP. It's all the hardware.

 

[William Payne]

I am just saying to put emotion aside and think logically and practically, stop getting all worked up, its not worth it. It just leads to later life heart problems.

I actually think the Apple hate is worse on this forum then any PC forum, and thats saying something.
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[Ph.D.]

Just when I thought the Mac Rumours forum was the most negative/depressing part of the internet, it gets taken to a whole new level.
[doublepost=1512806450][/doublepost]I don't mean to be rude but I am big into happiness and positivity and hate negativity. Everyday on here its full of negativeness and complaining.

I greatly apologise but can't we have some happiness here for once.

Happiness is not a state that humans can reasonably hope for on a constant or even a moderately-regular basis. Something like contentment might be possible more often or surely, at least for a while. But contentment is contingent on acceptance.

Acceptance is what's needed. But it's a path strewn with rocks and thorns and teasing little bits of falsely-diverting hope. And, oh my, Apple knows how to tease us, promising that one perfect product that will deliver us from all our wants ... before giving us half-rations. We'll grouse and grumble and yet plunk our money down on pre-order day, and the clock will start all over again. Will it be three years till "just one more thing" or seven, or are those days gone forever?

I accepted that my old 3,1 had to be retired. I accepted that Apple would not give me what I wanted as a replacement, at least for now. I moved on and started with a Skylake linux build. That was fun and gave me a big horsepower boost, but I still needed OS-X for some uses. I obtained a base 2017 27" iMac with SSD. Aside from the fact that I can't throw 4+ drives inside it, it's actually quite nice.

Am I "happy" or reconciled with the state of things? Oh, it certainly could be better, but acceptance is a process, not a thing, and this too shall pass. In the meanwhile, it's not so bad. Not bad at all.

 

[William Payne]

The secret is not basing your happiness on "things".

Don't get me wrong. I want to have a successful career and buy fancy things and all the normal stuff. Those things though are feel good stuff. It's more temporary happiness doses.

My internal happiness is based on me waking up every day, being healthy and being alive and living.

Material happiness is just that bonus ontop.

Ice cream is great on its own. The chocolate sauce topping is just that nice extra.

 

[OS6-OSX]

..... I am big into happiness and positivity and hate negativity.
I greatly apologise but can't we have some happiness here for once.

You want happiness and positivity follow the posts of h9826970. He/She has to be the most helpful person in the Mac Pro section. Answers posts that others just views and follows most of them until their conclusion!

Remember this is just a forum, not a place of refuge for readers of Hagel, Kant and Niche!

We just don't want the next Mac Pro design to be this: Even though it represents the "happiest" place on earth!

 

[ManuelGomes]

Well, Aiden must be happy with Titan V. Seems a beast, available already at 3kUSD. Ready to deploy a few?
But guys, don't come wanting it inside the mMP. The color scheme doesn't match.
One thing is mostly set in stone, I guess. The mMP will be space grey, like the iMac Pro, so it can use the same mouse and keyboard. Will there be a Magic Mouse 3, wireless charged? I bet and guess there will be. So you can charge mouse, iPhone and watch all at the same time... Kidding.
By the way, found 2kEUR in a drawer somewhere (kidding again) and lost my head for good. Ordered an iPhone X 256GB space grey (to go with the mMP) and an Apple Watch 3 also space grey. I'm just missing the mMP itself and the TB display in the same color.
I'd assume Titan Ridge will be used for DP1.4 in the mMP. Not sure if the current PCH needs special support for it, Intel seems to only wanting to support it in newer chipsets, maybe only for you to buy a new mobo, as usual.
Also ordered an AirPort Extreme (still white though). I know this is being phased out, and that there are better options out there. But I'm not sure if you guys have the same issue but all Apple gear here in the house, rMBPs, MBA and iPhones, have trouble picking up WiFi at larger distances than for example my work PC (an HP laptop, Aiden will now say that HP does it better). Tried both the integrated router in the box and an external 11n Belkin router, same thing.
Now, the AirPort Extreme is 11ac, same as the Apple stuff, covered distance should be higher, and beamforming, and the 5GHz band should be cleaner. Let's see how that goes. Not sure if Apple will make it wave 2 compliant but I doubt it. They did release a firmware update recently though.

I wish we had at least some info on the mMP soon enough, maybe in a couple of weeks when the iMacPro will debut officially. But that's doubtful of course. I guess I'll still wait for the mMP and not jump at the iMacPro.

 

[Mago]

To all those fearing the liquid cooling leaks, when I said Passive TWO-PHASE Liquid cooling, I'm not talking about the liquid cooling system you know (and very popular), but about the NEW technology that uses a CFC based liquid (non-conductive) that blows at just 45degC

This is a dramatic demonstration, production system with this cooling liquid wont use immersion but closed loop coolers, this system has three advantages over popular liquid cooling (you fear as me): PRECISE COOLING, NON CONDUCTIVE (no damage in case of leak) and NO MOVING PARTS.

Novec 72DA liquid is a solution of 70% 1,2-trans-dichloroethylene, 4-16% ethyl nonafluorobutyl ether, 4-6% ethyl nonafluoroisobutyl ether and trace other similar methyl variants. The liquid has a boiling point of 45ºC at very low viscosity (0.4 cP, compared to 0.89 cP for water), but also a low specific heat capacity (1.33 J/g/K, compared to 4.184 for water). Typically water cooling (with blocks) with the high heat capacity is preferred, but at 1.33 J/g/K for the main ingredient in Novec is interesting: take a CPU that uses 140W, and in 60 seconds it will change 8400J of energy from electricity to heat. That would raise one kg of liquid (0.8 liters, due to 1.257 kg per liter for density) up by 7.24ºC. Thus it would take around 3 minutes from a slightly chilled start to create one kg of the main component of Novec to boiling point. If we add in the latent heat of vaporization, or the energy it takes to transform a chemical from a liquid at boiling point to vapor, then we need another 350 kJ/kg, or 41.67 minutes.

about Jony Ive, its time to pray to Saint Expeditto to protect our Mac souls...
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with a max of 6 TB devices in a chain a keyboard is a waste

IS not about speed, but direct access to PCI bus.

 

[ManuelGomes]

Come on, don't judge the man before we see what comes out. Maybe we'll all be surprised. In a good sense of course!!
[doublepost=1512824548][/doublepost]Some of us might not like what he comes up with, or the constrains it brings, but the man know his stuff.
[doublepost=1512824716][/doublepost]I guess they now could have FaceID in the display.

 

[pl1984]

I greatly apologise but can't we have some happiness here for once.

We sure can, once Apple gives people here a reason to be happy.

 

[AidenShaw]

I think a lot of people would be hard pressed to call that an actual liquid cooling system unless they were trying to be pedantic about it.

The statement was about "two-phase passive liquid cooling", which correctly describes the Imac's cooling system.

 

[mikas]

Isn't iMacs cooling rather be called a Heat Pipe rather than Liquid Cooling? I'm no experts in this, and it might be a matter of defining the words properly before conclusions.

There is a heat pipe, and there is a fan at the farther end of the cooling assembly. I have disassembled one quite lately. The pipe developed a hole in itself, and the liquid and/or gas did escape from the cooling system. I do not know in which phase the coolant was when escaping the pipe, I guess I was not watching.

Anyway, that hole did mean that the iMacs GPU fried. Or at least the system was not working anymore because GPU was too hot allways. At least I think there were no other damage to the system. Maybe the little hole was in such a position in the system, that the coolant escaped as gas. That way it did not do any harm to the other parts of the computer, like a liquid-formed coolant would have done.

If it would have been a pure liquid cooling system, there would have been water (or maybe some other coolant liquid equally bad for electrical components) inside the iMac, and system damage would have been a guaranteed result.

I don't know, maybe it's just these terms that are not agreed upon.

 

[singhs.apps]

Might be vapour chamber cooling which indicates liquid in the form of vapour

 

[Biped]

NEW technology that uses a CFC based liquid

Nothing bad ever happens when we give consumers CFC filled toys ...

 

[Mago]

The statement was about "two-phase passive liquid cooling", which correctly describes the Imac's cooling system.

Technically, but while the Thermal Pipe cooling system its an two-phase isnt capable to deliver precision cooling, which can be achieved with 3M's Novec.also Novec is liquid at normal enviromental temperatures (so no Ozone damage risk), the only proble with Novec is on the long run some molecules may catalize into toxic ones, thus why are better suited for closed loop no matter 3M is promoting it as immersion cooling.

 

[AidenShaw]

Isn't iMacs cooling rather be called a Heat Pipe rather than Liquid Cooling?

The heat pipe contains a substance that alternates between a liquid phase and a vapour phase. There's always liquid in a (working) heat pipe.

The two-phase cooling that Mago brought up has more in common with a heat pipe than the G5's liquid cooling.

 

[ssgbryan]

Don't think Apple shares your utilitarian design philosophy.

People don't buy workstations for their looks. See: MacPro 6,1.

 

[William Payne]

People don't buy workstations for their looks. See: MacPro 6,1.

Actually I know a whole bunch of professional environments that try to maintain a specific work office aesthetic. There is a reason every workstation manufacturer has their systems in a nice looking aesthetic case. The Dell and HP workstations do actually look really nice.

Same with custom workstation builders like Puget Systems, their workstations are very aesthetically pleasing.

Aesthetics had nothing to do with the problems the 6,1 faced.

The ophthalmologist (eye doctor) I see has iMacs everywhere running legacy software on windows. Their hospital facility is in an extremely almost neo futuristic modern building, every desk has an iMac and every desk has the same office chair.

 

[mikas]

The heat pipe contains a substance that alternates between a liquid phase and a vapour phase. There's always liquid in a (working) heat pipe.

The two-phase cooling that Mago brought up has more in common with a heat pipe than the G5's liquid cooling.

I understand the other half what you're saying. But still, is a imacs cooling a heat pipe rather than a liquid cooling system?

According to available online information (wiki e.g.) liquid cooling system seems to mean a system with circulating and possibly a pump equiped liquid system transfering heat away from components, not a phase change system. I can see there is liquid in both of them, I agree.

It seems that phase change system is in use at least in every iMac that I have opened. I have not yet seen a pure liquid cooling system in an iMac. These iMacs I have seen inside include only 2007-2010 models. I do not know much above that year or make.

It seems it's gonna be like that in an iMac Pro too. Heatpipes (liquid and gas/vapor), not pure liquid cooling system.

 

[AidenShaw]

According to available online information (wiki e.g.) liquid cooling system seems to mean a system with circulating and possibly a pump equiped liquid system transfering heat away from components, not a phase change system. I can see there is liquid in both of them, I agree.

Going back to Mago's statement, he referred to a passive two-phase cooling system. No pumps.

It seems it's gonna be like that in an iMac Pro too. Heatpipes (liquid and gas/vapor), not pure liquid cooling system.

Mago was talking about a passive two-phase system, not a "pure liquid" cooling system. Heatpipes cool, and contain liquid, and are passive two-phase systems.

Give it up.

 

[phoenixsan]

Again...

Mostly we know about 2016(hopefully) nMP 7,1 are personal assumptions and some "anonymous leaks".

Most rumors point to Introductions at WWDC with availability not earlier than Q4'16

• Should be Based on Intel C612 Server or X99 Workstation/ProSumer Chipset.
  
  
• GPUs x2 most leaks points to AMD GPU (Polaris and Vega) very few forum speculations still believe possible an nVidia based nMP.
  
  
• Thunderbolt 3 upgrade it's a logical evolution, as USB-C and HDMI2.
  
  
• CPUs Xeon E5v4 family most likely few rumors account on AMD Zen.
  
  
• Storage, it's also assumed as logical evolution either 1x NVMe on PCIe3 or 2xNVMe on PCIe2 2.5 GBps total throughput...
  
  
• RAM upto 256 GB possible as supported by C612 on 4 RDIMM DDR4 ECC Slot.
  
  
• Performance as Xeon E5v4 should be utpo 630GFlops compute FP64 (CPU only E5-2699v4).
  
  
• Performance on Upcoming GPUs speculatively should be (on each GPU) among 5.5Tflop FP32 (Polaris) to 9 TFlop FP32 (Vega) FP64 performance should be from 500GFlop to 4-5 TFlop.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss on possible configurations also share news and discussion on the probable nMP 7,1 components.

Everybody is welcome.

[doublepost=1512860770][/doublepost]The dream is almost over for Pro users, sadly....

The only thing Pro that we will can get in desktop form is the iMac Pro. Love or hate it...with an insane price tag, IMHO. I would like to see a Pro with 2 TB SSD hard disc, a Kepler GPU, 4 USB-3 ports and maybe, just maybe a Phi processor........All costing U$ 4000.00 no more...And then, I want world peace also...

 

[Theisus]

I don't buy workstations for their looks. See: MacPro 6,1.

Fixed that for you. If you think the people at Apple right now aren't thinking about how the machine is going to look you clearly haven't been paying attention to anything the company has done since 1998.

 

[William Payne]

Fixed that for you. If you think the people at Apple right now aren't thinking about how the machine is going to look you clearly haven't been paying attention to anything the company has done since 1998.

It's not just Apple. Any company. Design has always played an important part.

Appearance matters. It's not a popular thing to say but how one presents themselves is a big deal in a lot of environments.
[doublepost=1512861908][/doublepost]This was the technical centre reception desk at General Motors back in the day.

 

[Theisus]

Exactly, if design didn't matter companies like Ferrari would not exist. Other cars that can get you from point A to point B just as well.

Now are there some people who don't care how things look as long as it works well, and that's fine. Apple has never catered to that audience though. They always put in effort into the design of their products.

 

[Michael Scrip]

I'm cool with pretty things.

But if it performs like a turd... or has other huge glaring faults... then looks can't make up for that.

 

[iPadified]

Just when I thought the Mac Rumours forum was the most negative/depressing part of the internet, it gets taken to a whole new level.
[doublepost=1512806450][/doublepost]I don't mean to be rude but I am big into happiness and positivity and hate negativity. Everyday on here its full of negativeness and complaining.

I greatly apologise but can't we have some happiness here for once.

Look at the ipad and imac sections instead. There are some haters/pessimists there as well but they do not take so much space as in the Mac Pro section.