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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

AidenShaw said:
The Xeon-W in the iMac Pro is a big upgrade from the five year old CPU in the MP6,1. The higher current Xeons are even bigger upgrades. (12 core to 28 core)
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While I disagree with koyoot args about 7nm, I concede him about Apple need to switch from Intel on high-end Macs in a hurry and mainstream Macs ASAP AMD has a viable solution (Zen/TR/Epyc advantages only on desktops, on mobile seems at least another year for Apple tied to Intel).

Apple, as now can replace Intel on iMacs 27 and Mac Pros & iMac Pro switching to Ryzen 2, TR2 and Epyc respectively, Ryzen mobile APU are not in the same segment as the Intel CPU on the MB/MBA/MBP/iMac21, only except could be the Mac Mini (RiP), at least no AMD product in public roadmap, its rumoured a full ZEN APU is on the works with 8cores and 16-32 vega cores good to eat Intel's i7-8809G.

There still too many factors, Intel also is know to be developing its first Discrete Gaming GPU, but seems it is an 2020 product at least.
 
Apple did the iMac Pro to quell the need for a mMP for awhile, I'm sure there is some method to the madness.

Likely Apple is waiting for TB4 or some other tech to be ready that they plan on using on the mMP.

I don't think Apple will offer any sort of user configurable UEFI, they never have in the past, and it just makes for a tech support nightmare for them. Anyone can make UEFI software to run on a Intel Mac, just no one has done it because the call isn't that great.

I think the mMP will be a Cube 3.0, it's the shipping size and weight Apple really cares about, because it's billions of dollars in extra shipping to ship even a small ATX style case. Likely it won't be as small as the Mini, but smaller than the nPM.

It's a shame for those of use that want/need fill sized PCI-E slots, but I suppose Hackintochs will have to do for us.

I don't see anything but TB/USB-C ports being on the mMP, I highly doubt they'll even be an ethernet port, just USB-C to 10G/b ethernet adapters.

The mPM will likely be a good machine, but for those of us waiting for a more ATX style Mac, I think Apple is done with that, they just care how many Macs they can fit in a shipping container.
 
After many years of using Mac computers, I recently did myself a custom built pc with Ryzen 2700x & nVidia 1080 Ti. Boy what an experience!. And I'm blown away by the quality of Windows 10 which I believe is perfectly usable unlike other previous windows I've encountered before (Me, XP, etc). I'm totally satisfied with vast pool of choices PC is offering. It's only solution enabling me to adapt fast to current trend and requirement.

I wonder how Apple is working on machine learning, deep learning, VR all that hot IT stuff everyone's working on nowadays? I really hope they are not using bunch of iMac Pros trying to do that things because it's just waste of electricity. Are they using PC for their research? Well I don't think so. Well considering how !@#$ their Siri is, I guess they probably are not working on any of those "hot topics".
 
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DearthnVader said:
I think the mMP will be a Cube 3.0, it's the shipping size and weight Apple really cares about, because it's billions of dollars in extra shipping to ship even a small ATX style case.
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they just care how many Macs they can fit in a shipping container.
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If the mMP is assembled in the same Texas factory as the 6,1 "Trashcan" model, then use of shipping containers won't play any factor, at least for sales to U.S. based customers.
I also don't really think that post-production shipping costs to any world destination would influence the final mMP volume size decision to any great degree.
 
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seclusion said:
Wonder if we'll get a sneak peak at the June conference of the new Mac Pro
They did that for the iMac Pro last year I believe
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Unlikely.
The journalist campus visit last month was an indication that not much major is going to be ready/shown at WWDC. And the iMac Pro, as much as it was a new product category for Apple, it was literally just an iMac refitted with "server" components, so a single page spec sheet along was enough as a sneak peak as the form factor remains almost the same as the regular iMac. The modular Mac Pro on the other hand, will be and must be an entirely new concept taking off from the current Mac lineup. It most def will need its own half hour segment out of a Macworld, if not an entire event just for its unveil.
 
Chancha said:
Unlikely.
The journalist campus visit last month was an indication that not much major is going to be ready/shown at WWDC.
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The modular Mac Pro on the other hand, will be and must be an entirely new concept taking off from the current Mac lineup.
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I'm afraid you are probably right .
At the same time , a small part of me still has hope that Apple won't try to reinvent the unreinvetable - again .

If they did try, I think there'd be an announcement in autumn this year - and a 90%+ chance of failure .
But if they didn't , Apple has the means to spring a surprise with at least a proper preview of the future MP .

It's probably just wishful thinking and personal bias on my part, but I think Apple is quickly running out of time re. current developments in computing, and waiting till the end of the fiscal year as usual might jeopardize the Mac line even more than the stagnation of the past few years .

Not to mention the MB and MBP are dead in the water .
 
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barmann said:
I'm afraid you are probably right .
At the same time , a small part of me still has hope that Apple won't try to reinvent the unreinvetable - again .

If they did try, I think there'd be an announcement in autumn this year - and a 90%+ chance of failure .
But if they didn't , Apple has the means to spring a surprise with at least a proper preview of the future MP .

It's probably just wishful thinking and personal bias on my part, but I think Apple is quickly running out of time re. current developments in computing, and waiting till the end of the fiscal year as usual might jeopardize the Mac line even more than the stagnation of the past few years .

Not to mention the MB and MBP are dead in the water .
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The Mac line isn't in any great jeopardy sales-wise. What "current developments" in computing is Apple running out of time on?
 
fuchsdh said:
The Mac line isn't in any great jeopardy sales-wise. What "current developments" in computing is Apple running out of time on?
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Those of us that have moderate to high workloads or need a modern video card. How long am I expected to keep my 4,1 going?

I am like everyone else, I am evaluating my options - the Wintel world is becoming a better option than staying with Apple. If I drop $3K on the wintel side, I am looking at a 16 core AMD with a 8Gb 1080. 3K on the Apple side gets me nothing.

I know it is hard to believe, but even those of us that aren't "professionals" still need horsepower.
 
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barmann said:
If that's a joke I'm not getting it ...
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"Current developments" makes it sound like there's some core technology Apple is missing out on. That's a different argument from "Apple doesn't make a product that meets my needs".
res0lve said:
Well, for you who does most of his deliveries in 720p, I guess the current MAC line is powerhouse...

Try to submit somthing less than 1080p to a festival...
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I edit and composite 4K on my Mac. But keep pissing about with attempted slights.
 
Was fixing myself a cup of tea when I realized that Apple may very well introduce a new Apple display next month, too, in addition to the upcoming Mac Pro. Or are my odds better believing I can fly by flapping my arms together?

DearthnVader said:
Apple did the iMac Pro to quell the need for a mMP for awhile, I'm sure there is some method to the madness.
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Do you think they'll announce next month? I don't know if you noticed it, but there was a thread posted a day or two ago @ the news section about iMac Pros on the refurbished site with a 10%~ discount on them. I think that's the fastest "turnaround" I've seen on more expensive Apple hardware, but I may be wrong. Whatever the case may be, they better deliver next month.


PS Neat to see you outside of the dungeon. :p
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vailr said:
I also don't really think that post-production shipping costs to any world destination would influence the final mMP volume size decision to any great degree.
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If it did, they'd just add the extra cost and pass it on to you in usual Apple fashion.
 
jinnyman said:
After many years of using Mac computers, I recently did myself a custom built pc with Ryzen 2700x & nVidia 1080 Ti. Boy what an experience!. And I'm blown away by the quality of Windows 10 which I believe is perfectly usable unlike other previous windows I've encountered before (Me, XP, etc). I'm totally satisfied with vast pool of choices PC is offering. It's only solution enabling me to adapt fast to current trend and requirement.

I wonder how Apple is working on machine learning, deep learning, VR all that hot IT stuff everyone's working on nowadays? I really hope they are not using bunch of iMac Pros trying to do that things because it's just waste of electricity. Are they using PC for their research? Well I don't think so. Well considering how !@#$ their Siri is, I guess they probably are not working on any of those "hot topics".
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I recently bought an OMEN with i8700k for $1400 Canadian, this thing rocks...good thing is UX design programs are being ported to windows...works like a charm and even managed to add Mac OS/x through VMware
 
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bigtomato said:
I recently bought an OMEN with i8700k for $1400 Canadian, this thing rocks...good thing is UX design programs are being ported to windows...works like a charm and even managed to add Mac OS/x through VMware
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Having not really researched this yet, but is there a particular trick involved with getting macOS to work in VMware when running on non-apple hardware?
 
mattspace said:
Having not really researched this yet, but is there a particular trick involved with getting macOS to work in VMware when running on non-apple hardware?
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Lots of youtube video can't remember which one just follow them closely should work
 
If anyone is still waiting on a 7,1 they don't need serious computing power - they would have shifted to something like a HP Z4/6/8 by now if they did.
 
Zenithal said:
I know what UX is. I didn't know there was software for it. I thought companies still did it on paper. Guess I'm behind the times.
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Sketch is the biggest one currently and is still Mac OS only but Invision is about to roll out Invision studio which is Mac and Windows and looks amazing. I’m in the beta but hanvent actually managed to download it yet I should do that today and give it a go. Adobe xd is also multi plat but is isn’t quite up to the standard of sketch yet.
 
Mighty_Zoltan said:
Sketch is the biggest one currently and is still Mac OS only but Invision is about to roll out Invision studio which is Mac and Windows and looks amazing. I’m in the beta but hanvent actually managed to download it yet I should do that today and give it a go. Adobe xd is also multi plat but is isn’t quite up to the standard of sketch yet.
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Oh, I see. I'm familiar with Invision because I happened across their site whilst looking for another Invision. Separate companies, but it did throw me off for a good five minutes. Though, from what I remember, I thought the Invision you brought up was a fancy CMS.
 
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