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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

Guys, about one year ago Tim Cook said that the Mac mini had an important role in the future lineup and they still did not come out with one. I am starting to think that we won't see the mMP sooner than October/November 2019.

Meanwhile, a new version of Vega by AMD (Vega 20) is rumoured to be out soon.
 
askunk said:
Guys, about one year ago Tim Cook said that the Mac mini had an important role in the future lineup and they still did not come out with one. I am starting to think that we won't see the mMP sooner than October/November 2019.

Meanwhile, a new version of Vega by AMD (Vega 20) is rumoured to be out soon.
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Ouch-practically a 2020 release.
 
Aldaris said:
Ouch-practically a 2020 release.
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Yes 2020! "We at Apple would like to thank everyone in advance for their patience. In the spirit of the nMP/tcMP we plan to once again surprise the Mac Pro community! Some of you are very perceptive and realize certain components in the up coming models will be "glued" in. That is the reason for the delay. The mMP (as this forum calls it) was ready 12-01-2017. It's the #&%*@^ glue that won't be ready until 2020!" :p

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Mago said:
While I disagree with koyoot args about 7nm, I concede him about Apple need to switch from Intel on high-end Macs in a hurry and mainstream Macs ASAP AMD has a viable solution (Zen/TR/Epyc advantages only on desktops, on mobile seems at least another year for Apple tied to Intel).

Apple, as now can replace Intel on iMacs 27 and Mac Pros & iMac Pro switching to Ryzen 2, TR2 and Epyc respectively, Ryzen mobile APU are not in the same segment as the Intel CPU on the MB/MBA/MBP/iMac21, only except could be the Mac Mini (RiP), at least no AMD product in public roadmap, its rumoured a full ZEN APU is on the works with 8cores and 16-32 vega cores good to eat Intel's i7-8809G.

There still too many factors, Intel also is know to be developing its first Discrete Gaming GPU, but seems it is an 2020 product at least.
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Its funny that you argue that nobody will have 7 nm in volume, while AMD will come up THIS YEAR with Vega 20 made on 7 nm process..




I was supposed not come out on this forum again, but I have to repost this, because it is way too important:

https://semiaccurate.com/2018/05/29/is-intels-upcoming-10nm-launch-real-or-a-pr-stunt/

For first time in very long time, SemiAccurate published non-paywalled article because of importance of the message. I strongly urge you all to read about 10 nm process woes, and what is wrong with it.

It is WAY to important, guys. This affects Apple directly.
 
askunk said:
Guys, about one year ago Tim Cook said that the Mac mini had an important role in the future lineup and they still did not come out with one. I am starting to think that we won't see the mMP sooner than October/November 2019.
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I've been telling you guys that it would be mid to late 2019, but everyone said it had to be early 2019...

If it was early 2019 they'd do their best to market it as late 2018 with volume or all configs shipping in 2019. If they're saying 2019 it's going to be well into 2019.
 
goMac said:
I've been telling you guys that it would be mid to late 2019, but everyone said it had to be early 2019...

If it was early 2019 they'd do their best to market it as late 2018 with volume or all configs shipping in 2019. If they're saying 2019 it's going to be well into 2019.
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Cascade Lake is coming Q4 2018...
 
koyoot said:
Cascade Lake is coming Q4 2018...
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Not only as askunk mentioned is this unlikely to be the Xeon version... But if you assume after all this time that Apple will release the moment new chips are available... well...

It's kind of like when we were talking about how Apple just couldn't let MacBook Pros with bad keyboards continue to be a thing for much longer, and it's like... hello? Did you forget what this thread is about?
 
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Not only as askunk mentioned is this unlikely to be the Xeon version... But if you assume after all this time that Apple will release the moment new chips are available... well...
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As mentioned immediately above the code name 'Cascade Lake' primarily covers Xeon options so the issue is far more so where specifically 'Xeon W' falls.

Xeon SP probably will ship in Q4 2018. One of the primary features of the Cascade Lake update is hardware fixes for Spectre and Meltdown. ( https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/microarchitectures/cascade_lake#Key_changes_from_Skylake ) . Very large virtualization service vendors that need max high security VM servers will not be put on the "last to get" list for this update. Intel would have to certifiably looney toons to do that. That is primarily who is going to pay top dollar as fast as possible for this stuff.

There are no big core count increases. No huge clock speed increases. There is a narrow "AI" targeted expansion to the AVX-512 instruction set and some memory controller updates ( speed bump, density bump , and Optane as DIMM bump). That's is about it. It would make sense for Apple to wait on a Mac Pro update so they never have to deal with the security kludges with the new model. There is very little gap between the current Xeon W chips and the next one physically or electrically. Apple could design mule the who system with the current Intel W (a derivative of their already existing iMac Pro logic board) and just be vulnerable to Spectre/Meltdown. The super duper memory options are probably not relevant to the Mac Pro (or iMac Pro). The one AVX-512 opcode tweak really can't be mainlined into macOS X until that feature if rolled out more broadly in 2019-2020. At this point Intel has engineering samples of SP and W variants already out. So a firmware update of mule board and would have all of second half of 2018 to squash out bugs and design tweaking. There would no impediment to finishing engineering verification test by end of 2018.


So SP will at least ship to the "big 5" Cloud service vendors in Q4 2018. (they always get stuff 'early' ) Whether "normal" folks can get them in 2018 or not might be questionable. They should be more widely available in early 2019. The Core-i9 stuff..... may go in 2018. ( Again Intel isn't going to cry tears if there is limited availability and spot market Extreme Core i processors prices are kept high for an extended amount of time.) So, there is pretty good chance that Xeon W will slide to early 2019 ( even more so if Core i9 goes in Q4 2018 with limited availability. )

The notion that Apple doesn't have the hardware components available to do a Mac Pro in first half in 2019 is ludicrous. The only reason a new Mac Pro would slide to second half of 2019 is sloth development investment (and activity) by Apple over the last 2-3 years. Period. There is no 3rd party slowing them down.

Over last year, Apple could have targeted components projected to be available by end of Q4 2018 and picked a first half 2019 target window. That would have been safe. It would be beyond foolish for Apple to have selected 2019 parts back in 2017. That would be just mind boggling dumb for a product that is grossly behind schedule by the customers perspective.
 
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Well if apple wants to do something with VR they need to have at least an Desktop class AMD or INTEL chip + a good video card and it needs to be late 2018 / very early 2019. No need for a high cost 1TB ssd. Hell 256 SSD + 1TB SSHD will work.

Apple can do an desktop / gameing system from $700-$2000 (not an imac needs room for cooling a full size GPU) and 1 SSD + 1-2 HDD slot. Video card at full X16. AMD is good 16+4+4 from cpu vs 16+4 on intel.

And Real workstation with at least 2 SSD slots (full X4 m.2 each) 2-4 hdd slots 1-2 workstation cpus and room for dual or more full size video cards. Do Not have base system start with dual video cards.

AMD EYPC is the up to 2 cpu more cores system and threadripper is the lesser core workstation chip.
 
We had the Cube, the Cylinder, this time around it will be the Sphere, no doubt :)
Imagine something in the lines of the Death Star...
We could have the power switch at the top, with finger print recognition (a la rMBP).
Ports at the back, vertically aligned. Apple logo at the front.
The rTB3D would have Face ID (skip the notch please) and embedded T3. The Sphere would also have to have a T3.
If using both the Sphere along with rTB3D both T3s would have a secure channel (through TB3 probably, but that could raise security concerns - heavily encrypted comm) for authentication. If you use a regular display then only the Sphere's T3 would assume authentication.
Cool, hem?!
Feel free to do some sketches.
But I guess that would go against the box everyone here wants, right?
You could still open the Sphere and insert or swap (proprietary) GPUs, that would make it upgradable and modular, right?
[doublepost=1527950032][/doublepost]The wait for Cascade Lake makes sense for Apple. Launching something now that could have potential important fixes in a few months would be unwise.
And as dec says, the engineering could be all done now, and probably and hopefully well underway, and when all is ready just drop in.
 
ManuelGomes said:
We had the Cube, the Cylinder, this time around it will be the Sphere, no doubt :)
Imagine something in the lines of the Death Star...
We could have the power switch at the top, with finger print recognition (a la rMBP).
Ports at the back, vertically aligned. Apple logo at the front.
The rTB3D would have Face ID (skip the notch please) and embedded T3. The Sphere would also have to have a T3.
If using both the Sphere along with rTB3D both T3s would have a secure channel (through TB3 probably, but that could raise security concerns - heavily encrypted comm) for authentication. If you use a regular display then only the Sphere's T3 would assume authentication.
Cool, hem?!
Feel free to do some sketches.
But I guess that would go against the box everyone here wants, right?
You could still open the Sphere and insert or swap (proprietary) GPUs, that would make it upgradable and modular, right?
[doublepost=1527950032][/doublepost]The wait for Cascade Lake makes sense for Apple. Launching something now that could have potential important fixes in a few months would be unwise.
And as dec says, the engineering could be all done now, and probably and hopefully well underway, and when all is ready just drop in.
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I thought the holdup was due to Apple trying to figure out how to make klein bottle type case...

Something about one continuous surface area having better thermal dissipation properties.
 
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Zarniwoop said:
It was all software. That's what Tim said in the start of the keynote. Then Apple dedicated 1 hour for iOS and 20 minutes for tvOS, watchOS and macOS each.
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It's just proportionate to sales and profits.

Apple takes in way more money on iOS devices, and dev's sell way more software for those devices.

I know, for us, we are butthurt about the macOS and new hardware not being more in focus, but you just can't argue with math.

Apple made WWDC all about software, my thinking is Apple had to go off campus to accommodate as many devs as were going to attend, they really didn't build the "Space ship" to be a convention center. However, now they can hold invitation special events at the mother ship staggered throughout the year for new hardware announcements.
 
Oh there was hardware. Did you miss the modular (hint) lego house with the two grown up men (well, at least physically) playing excitedly like pros (another hint)... ok, there was no hardware.
 
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Didn't see all the keynote, just part of the macOS.
So, nothing new. Besides Mojave, of course.

Yep, iOS is the ca$h cow so it takes the larger part of the keynote, can't really blame them.
 
askunk said:
Guys, about one year ago Tim Cook said that the Mac mini had an important role in the future lineup and they still did not come out with one. I am starting to think that we won't see the mMP sooner than October/November 2019.

Meanwhile, a new version of Vega by AMD (Vega 20) is rumoured to be out soon.
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I’m guessing the Pro and the Mini will be ‘announced’ at the same keynote.
 
Biped said:
I thought the holdup was due to Apple trying to figure out how to make klein bottle type case...

Something about one continuous surface area having better thermal dissipation properties.
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In the meantime both Intel and AMD are coming up with high core i9 and threadrippers : 28-32 cores.

Oh what a time to switch.
 
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