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What if the event is at the end of October? :/

yah as i said i meant we will see the invite anytime "starting from today" not today.. or maybe today why not :cool:

if it is end of Oct then the invite will go out on 23/Oct i guess.. it's only 4 weeks ahead nothing left
 
99.9% sure there won't be a press relase within the next 2-3 weeks.
iPhone is still brandnew and customers are running to the stores (busy workers).
Mac OS is out 1 day and support will be hit by questions and bugs.

Stay calm 'til mid of October and we might see those invitations.
 
First things you did in macOS sierra?

Me:
Removed all traces of Siri and iCloud as good as I could! :)

Runs smooth so far.
[doublepost=1474446023][/doublepost]Anyone else feeling the same dilemma as I do?
I love Apple software and I am bound by my workflow to the ecosystem. I hate Windows with a passion yet I disagree with the direction Apple is taking and I have no alternative? Anyone know this?

I don't want Siri on my mac, I don't want all that other fancy bullcrap shenanigans I want a stable productive OS and yes macOS is still leagues ahead of Windows. When working on my girlfriends laptop and helping her setup whatever she needs, it's always trouble in Windows. A conflict here, unexpected behaviour of some program there. Also it's an incohesive cluttered mess.

But on the mac platform, with the neglect we're getting and Apple turning logically where the profit is, and it seems to be with the hipsters and being a lifestyle-brand, I actually lose my interest in what they do. The only really interesting thing they announced whole year in my opinion is the new file system - which is far from being ready.

So... switching sides to Windows - after lots of experience with Windows 10 - is absolutely not possible for me. It would cripple my workflow so bad, I'd lose hours of productiveness per week. Not possible when you're a small selfemployed business.

But iMessage with all that crap smileys and animations? Really? I used to use it a lot because I enjoyed it being functional and clean. Now it's just as cluttered and messy as facebook and whatsapp messenger. I feel like Apple is losing it's professionalism and I don't know where to turn to. I've long lost interest in marginal iPhone updates as I don't game on it and I got a seperate nice camera. I hardly use any of the "advanced" features OR the horsepower of a modern smartphone. Actually I'd prefer to be left alone by my smartphone and turned off ALL notifications and push-messages and also have it on silent all the time. I use it to check business emails and contact people when I need/want to. Not the other way round.

When we get tons of new features that I don't use like Siri and iCloud (for security reasons and I'm not so lazy as to need Siri for anything) I always think what wonderful OS snow leopard was. It was blazingly fast and stable. Not that I have any complaints with any macOS since then, but I feel like so much performance is wasted for running those hipster-features in the background.

Don't get me wrong. If you enjoy those features, more power to you and more is always better right? But for me, I just count the features that actually improve my workflow, save me a click here or there in an action I have to take several times a day. Programs not crashing, having everything look the same, simple and stylish for quick acquisition of information just by glancing at it. That's what Apple is... was... is... (dunno) to me. But right now... I feel like its all going downhill.

The smudgephone 7 in crap-black that looks like you're covering it in sunscreen after just 2 people touched it? What's the point? You literally can't keep it clean and undamaged for like a day without a thick case which destroys the purpose of showing it off.

I recently watched an interview from Steve Jobs from 1997 he said something that, for me, really sums up what's wrong with Apple now that Steve is gone. He said something like (paraphrasing here):

"I always thought the design and creation process of our products needs to be the other way round. Not develop something technological impressive and let designers and engineers go crazy and then try to market and sell it to the customers but start with the user experience. Try to create something that touches and helps the end-consumer in it's daily routine with the device and let the engineers design towards that."

And that's what's wrong with Apple right now I guess. They create something their designers and engineers can come up with and then try to tell us a ONE-port, weaker than iPad Macbook is awesome. JetBlack is the new BlackBlack and playing catch-up to features of Android phones years later is totally fine. And we eat it up like crap-cake.

Sorry. Had to vent some steam.
 
First things you did in macOS sierra?

Me:
Removed all traces of Siri and iCloud as good as I could! :)

Runs smooth so far.
[doublepost=1474446023][/doublepost]Anyone else feeling the same dilemma as I do?
I love Apple software and I am bound by my workflow to the ecosystem. I hate Windows with a passion yet I disagree with the direction Apple is taking and I have no alternative? Anyone know this?

I don't want Siri on my mac, I don't want all that other fancy bullcrap shenanigans I want a stable productive OS and yes macOS is still leagues ahead of Windows. When working on my girlfriends laptop and helping her setup whatever she needs, it's always trouble in Windows. A conflict here, unexpected behaviour of some program there. Also it's an incohesive cluttered mess.

But on the mac platform, with the neglect we're getting and Apple turning logically where the profit is, and it seems to be with the hipsters and being a lifestyle-brand, I actually lose my interest in what they do. The only really interesting thing they announced whole year in my opinion is the new file system - which is far from being ready.

So... switching sides to Windows - after lots of experience with Windows 10 - is absolutely not possible for me. It would cripple my workflow so bad, I'd lose hours of productiveness per week. Not possible when you're a small selfemployed business.

But iMessage with all that crap smileys and animations? Really? I used to use it a lot because I enjoyed it being functional and clean. Now it's just as cluttered and messy as facebook and whatsapp messenger. I feel like Apple is losing it's professionalism and I don't know where to turn to. I've long lost interest in marginal iPhone updates as I don't game on it and I got a seperate nice camera. I hardly use any of the "advanced" features OR the horsepower of a modern smartphone. Actually I'd prefer to be left alone by my smartphone and turned off ALL notifications and push-messages and also have it on silent all the time. I use it to check business emails and contact people when I need/want to. Not the other way round.

When we get tons of new features that I don't use like Siri and iCloud (for security reasons and I'm not so lazy as to need Siri for anything) I always think what wonderful OS snow leopard was. It was blazingly fast and stable. Not that I have any complaints with any macOS since then, but I feel like so much performance is wasted for running those hipster-features in the background.

Don't get me wrong. If you enjoy those features, more power to you and more is always better right? But for me, I just count the features that actually improve my workflow, save me a click here or there in an action I have to take several times a day. Programs not crashing, having everything look the same, simple and stylish for quick acquisition of information just by glancing at it. That's what Apple is... was... is... (dunno) to me. But right now... I feel like its all going downhill.

The smudgephone 7 in crap-black that looks like you're covering it in sunscreen after just 2 people touched it? What's the point? You literally can't keep it clean and undamaged for like a day without a thick case which destroys the purpose of showing it off.

I recently watched an interview from Steve Jobs from 1997 he said something that, for me, really sums up what's wrong with Apple now that Steve is gone. He said something like (paraphrasing here):

"I always thought the design and creation process of our products needs to be the other way round. Not develop something technological impressive and let designers and engineers go crazy and then try to market and sell it to the customers but start with the user experience. Try to create something that touches and helps the end-consumer in it's daily routine with the device and let the engineers design towards that."

And that's what's wrong with Apple right now I guess. They create something their designers and engineers can come up with and then try to tell us a ONE-port, weaker than iPad Macbook is awesome. JetBlack is the new BlackBlack and playing catch-up to features of Android phones years later is totally fine. And we eat it up like crap-cake.

Sorry. Had to vent some steam.

Apple is a business and they would be silly not to make their pro range a bit more consumer friendly/enticing - because the market potential is just too great.
 
Got an Apple Watch 2 last night. Now I just need the MBPro to go with it and my iphone 7 and I can be a true iFag :D.

I'd get the Apple TV if it offered 4K :/.
 
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Apple is a business and they would be silly not to make their pro range a bit more consumer friendly/enticing - because the market potential is just too great.

I see where you're coming from but EVERYTHING about apple is consumer friendly nowadays. I'm just asking for a but more focus on features in software and hardware that caters to the professionals. Those people who need or want to use Apple products to make a living.

It's a bit like someone is building a truck. Let's say a Dodge ram. Each and every year they make the truck more comfy, add hands-free calls, new trims of leather seats, later even app support for the dash, they increase the fuel efficiency, etc... all good things, but the people using the truck for WORK ask only for more horsepower and a bigger bed.

I think the situation with Apple's "pro" lineup is similar.
 
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There is literally zero chance I would get a Jet Black Macbook Pro after seeing these pictures: http://imgur.com/a/tamvB

Literally a nightmare.

Since my favorite color, space grey, has been discontinued, ive been left with only two real options: Silver and Gold. I dont like the new matte black color and I feel it will scratch easily and show the silver underneath after a period of time. Probably going to go silver
The positive thing for FBI with asking to give up your fingerprint is they already have thousands on the back of your phone to lift and use now.
 
First things you did in macOS sierra?

Me:
Removed all traces of Siri and iCloud as good as I could! :)

Runs smooth so far.
[doublepost=1474446023][/doublepost]Anyone else feeling the same dilemma as I do?
I love Apple software and I am bound by my workflow to the ecosystem. I hate Windows with a passion yet I disagree with the direction Apple is taking and I have no alternative? Anyone know this?

I don't want Siri on my mac, I don't want all that other fancy bullcrap shenanigans I want a stable productive OS and yes macOS is still leagues ahead of Windows. When working on my girlfriends laptop and helping her setup whatever she needs, it's always trouble in Windows. A conflict here, unexpected behaviour of some program there. Also it's an incohesive cluttered mess.

But on the mac platform, with the neglect we're getting and Apple turning logically where the profit is, and it seems to be with the hipsters and being a lifestyle-brand, I actually lose my interest in what they do. The only really interesting thing they announced whole year in my opinion is the new file system - which is far from being ready.

So... switching sides to Windows - after lots of experience with Windows 10 - is absolutely not possible for me. It would cripple my workflow so bad, I'd lose hours of productiveness per week. Not possible when you're a small selfemployed business.

But iMessage with all that crap smileys and animations? Really? I used to use it a lot because I enjoyed it being functional and clean. Now it's just as cluttered and messy as facebook and whatsapp messenger. I feel like Apple is losing it's professionalism and I don't know where to turn to. I've long lost interest in marginal iPhone updates as I don't game on it and I got a seperate nice camera. I hardly use any of the "advanced" features OR the horsepower of a modern smartphone. Actually I'd prefer to be left alone by my smartphone and turned off ALL notifications and push-messages and also have it on silent all the time. I use it to check business emails and contact people when I need/want to. Not the other way round.

When we get tons of new features that I don't use like Siri and iCloud (for security reasons and I'm not so lazy as to need Siri for anything) I always think what wonderful OS snow leopard was. It was blazingly fast and stable. Not that I have any complaints with any macOS since then, but I feel like so much performance is wasted for running those hipster-features in the background.

Don't get me wrong. If you enjoy those features, more power to you and more is always better right? But for me, I just count the features that actually improve my workflow, save me a click here or there in an action I have to take several times a day. Programs not crashing, having everything look the same, simple and stylish for quick acquisition of information just by glancing at it. That's what Apple is... was... is... (dunno) to me. But right now... I feel like its all going downhill.

The smudgephone 7 in crap-black that looks like you're covering it in sunscreen after just 2 people touched it? What's the point? You literally can't keep it clean and undamaged for like a day without a thick case which destroys the purpose of showing it off.

I recently watched an interview from Steve Jobs from 1997 he said something that, for me, really sums up what's wrong with Apple now that Steve is gone. He said something like (paraphrasing here):

"I always thought the design and creation process of our products needs to be the other way round. Not develop something technological impressive and let designers and engineers go crazy and then try to market and sell it to the customers but start with the user experience. Try to create something that touches and helps the end-consumer in it's daily routine with the device and let the engineers design towards that."

And that's what's wrong with Apple right now I guess. They create something their designers and engineers can come up with and then try to tell us a ONE-port, weaker than iPad Macbook is awesome. JetBlack is the new BlackBlack and playing catch-up to features of Android phones years later is totally fine. And we eat it up like crap-cake.

Sorry. Had to vent some steam.

I can understand your frustration somewhat, but part of it comes from having unrealistic expectations to start with.

Apple is making an OS for a good gazillion of people. Even professional users alone come in all kinds of flavours and expect different things from their computer. There's no way for the company to ship an OS custom-tailored for each user out of the box.

MacOS's ability to be flexible and powerful enough for an advanced user and yet remain friendly enough for a housewife has been one of its biggest advantages for years. There always were features that added joy at the cost of performance. Snow Leopard had lots of animations, 3D dock, skeumorphic design and apps like Photobooth – things I wouldn't call professional features exactly. Yet it was a great OS and people that used their macs to earn for living enjoyed some of those things too. Not much has changed, other than Apple adopting a shorter release cycle and shipping less groundbreaking features with each version.

My mac is my one and only working machine. I spend a lot of time using it and I'd say I'm quite efficient. The OS does pretty much all I expect it to do. With newer features some I find useful, some not. I do use iCloud as it saves me thinking about unimportant things, so I can concentrate on important ones. I use Continuity features and Airplay as they let me switch between my devices really fast. I don't use Time Machine or social sharing options or Spotlight or new features of Messages but it honestly doesn't bother me that they exist. I know others find them useful. I also know some don't use features that I really enjoy. It's good to have a choice, and most of those features can be either disabled or ignored.

Of course I still wish Apple would pay the core functionality of their OS the attention it deserves. Those extra features should be a cherry on the top, not a lipstick on a pig.
 
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What if the event is at the end of March?
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First things you did in macOS sierra?

Me:
Removed all traces of Siri and iCloud as good as I could! :)

Runs smooth so far.
[doublepost=1474446023][/doublepost]Anyone else feeling the same dilemma as I do?
I love Apple software and I am bound by my workflow to the ecosystem. I hate Windows with a passion yet I disagree with the direction Apple is taking and I have no alternative? Anyone know this?

I don't want Siri on my mac, I don't want all that other fancy bullcrap shenanigans I want a stable productive OS and yes macOS is still leagues ahead of Windows. When working on my girlfriends laptop and helping her setup whatever she needs, it's always trouble in Windows. A conflict here, unexpected behaviour of some program there. Also it's an incohesive cluttered mess.

But on the mac platform, with the neglect we're getting and Apple turning logically where the profit is, and it seems to be with the hipsters and being a lifestyle-brand, I actually lose my interest in what they do. The only really interesting thing they announced whole year in my opinion is the new file system - which is far from being ready.

So... switching sides to Windows - after lots of experience with Windows 10 - is absolutely not possible for me. It would cripple my workflow so bad, I'd lose hours of productiveness per week. Not possible when you're a small selfemployed business.

But iMessage with all that crap smileys and animations? Really? I used to use it a lot because I enjoyed it being functional and clean. Now it's just as cluttered and messy as facebook and whatsapp messenger. I feel like Apple is losing it's professionalism and I don't know where to turn to. I've long lost interest in marginal iPhone updates as I don't game on it and I got a seperate nice camera. I hardly use any of the "advanced" features OR the horsepower of a modern smartphone. Actually I'd prefer to be left alone by my smartphone and turned off ALL notifications and push-messages and also have it on silent all the time. I use it to check business emails and contact people when I need/want to. Not the other way round.

When we get tons of new features that I don't use like Siri and iCloud (for security reasons and I'm not so lazy as to need Siri for anything) I always think what wonderful OS snow leopard was. It was blazingly fast and stable. Not that I have any complaints with any macOS since then, but I feel like so much performance is wasted for running those hipster-features in the background.

Don't get me wrong. If you enjoy those features, more power to you and more is always better right? But for me, I just count the features that actually improve my workflow, save me a click here or there in an action I have to take several times a day. Programs not crashing, having everything look the same, simple and stylish for quick acquisition of information just by glancing at it. That's what Apple is... was... is... (dunno) to me. But right now... I feel like its all going downhill.

The smudgephone 7 in crap-black that looks like you're covering it in sunscreen after just 2 people touched it? What's the point? You literally can't keep it clean and undamaged for like a day without a thick case which destroys the purpose of showing it off.

I recently watched an interview from Steve Jobs from 1997 he said something that, for me, really sums up what's wrong with Apple now that Steve is gone. He said something like (paraphrasing here):

"I always thought the design and creation process of our products needs to be the other way round. Not develop something technological impressive and let designers and engineers go crazy and then try to market and sell it to the customers but start with the user experience. Try to create something that touches and helps the end-consumer in it's daily routine with the device and let the engineers design towards that."

And that's what's wrong with Apple right now I guess. They create something their designers and engineers can come up with and then try to tell us a ONE-port, weaker than iPad Macbook is awesome. JetBlack is the new BlackBlack and playing catch-up to features of Android phones years later is totally fine. And we eat it up like crap-cake.

Sorry. Had to vent some steam.


Same here. Except I'm even less forgiving than you are: If I wasn't trapped in their ecosystem, I would have switched a long time ago.
Windows has a lot of unlikable "features", and still many bugs. i'm actually amazed how many bugs it has.
But it's getting there. They're trying to implement the uBuntu subsystem. From what I heard it's not perfect, but it's a good step.
Meanwhile Apple has gimmicks, and as you mentioned, catch up with Android YEARS later. Frankly, what is exactly cool about the iPhone 7 ? The Galaxy S7 had all this since a year before (waterproofing, good battery, UI etc) , and even some of the features of the next iPhone (OLED screen).
The MBP line is CATASTROPHIC. My maxed out 2013 MBP (which I paid a fortune) was more powerful than the 13" 2,9 GHz Intel Core i5 8GB I bought in June, and still paid a lot for. How is that correct ?!?

When it comes to productivity I'm with you but I'm starting to wonder... Wouldn't it be worth suffering a month and then never EVER have to deal with those overpriced, underpowered machines ?

I'm also exploring a third way, having MacOS in VirtualBox on a PC. But I'm not sure how reliable this is (the other way around, virtual Windows on Mac worked very well).
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Got an Apple Watch 2 last night. Now I just need the MBPro to go with it and my iphone 7 and I can be a true iFag :D.

I'd get the Apple TV if it offered 4K :/.

Another example of how Apple lacks behind ... So frustrating. Although there Ididn't think twice, went right away forNVIDIA shield, which is much, much better.
 
But on the mac platform, with the neglect we're getting and Apple turning logically where the profit is, and it seems to be with the hipsters and being a lifestyle-brand, I actually lose my interest in what they do. The only really interesting thing they announced whole year in my opinion is the new file system - which is far from being ready.

...

When we get tons of new features that I don't use like Siri and iCloud (for security reasons and I'm not so lazy as to need Siri for anything) I always think what wonderful OS snow leopard was. It was blazingly fast and stable. Not that I have any complaints with any macOS since then, but I feel like so much performance is wasted for running those hipster-features in the background.

...

"I always thought the design and creation process of our products needs to be the other way round. Not develop something technological impressive and let designers and engineers go crazy and then try to market and sell it to the customers but start with the user experience. Try to create something that touches and helps the end-consumer in it's daily routine with the device and let the engineers design towards that."

And that's what's wrong with Apple right now I guess. They create something their designers and engineers can come up with and then try to tell us a ONE-port, weaker than iPad Macbook is awesome. JetBlack is the new BlackBlack and playing catch-up to features of Android phones years later is totally fine. And we eat it up like crap-cake.

Sorry. Had to vent some steam.
The way I see it, this strategy of designing as a lifestyle brand makes sense now but it could prove to be a dangerous strategy in the long run. As have already been said countless of times by others, the core customer segment of Apple is/was the creative professionals. What Apple is doing now reminds me of LEGO in the 90's. Start focusing on all these others fun things like amusement parks, computer games and so on, and forget their core product, the brick. Maybe I will be proven wrong, but I think that Apple has to be careful who they target themselves towards in the long run. One of the reasons why it is "cool" to own a Mac is because of the historical impact they have. And I think Apple should be careful not to forget what history tells.

So, how does that translate to their current product offerings? The iPod is more or less dead, and I think it will remain so. The iPhone is the most important source of revenue (for now) and of course they should focus on that as well. And I think it is great that they are increasing the capabilities of the iPad, making computing more accessible to more people. But they also need to focus more on the Mac. How do you develop Apps for the iDevices? On a Mac! Therefore, as I see it, in order to continue having success with their devices they need to keep their backbone customers happy as well.
 
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OMG!
Not here for a few days and we've come to 1007 pages :eek:

This thread is awsome:D

Am sad that I can't update my 2009 mbp with Sierra... Would've been something to play with until skylake!
 
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First things you did in macOS sierra?

Me:
Removed all traces of Siri and iCloud as good as I could! :)

Runs smooth so far.
[doublepost=1474446023][/doublepost]Anyone else feeling the same dilemma as I do?
I love Apple software and I am bound by my workflow to the ecosystem. I hate Windows with a passion yet I disagree with the direction Apple is taking and I have no alternative? Anyone know this?

I don't want Siri on my mac, I don't want all that other fancy bullcrap shenanigans I want a stable productive OS and yes macOS is still leagues ahead of Windows. When working on my girlfriends laptop and helping her setup whatever she needs, it's always trouble in Windows. A conflict here, unexpected behaviour of some program there. Also it's an incohesive cluttered mess.

But on the mac platform, with the neglect we're getting and Apple turning logically where the profit is, and it seems to be with the hipsters and being a lifestyle-brand, I actually lose my interest in what they do. The only really interesting thing they announced whole year in my opinion is the new file system - which is far from being ready.

So... switching sides to Windows - after lots of experience with Windows 10 - is absolutely not possible for me. It would cripple my workflow so bad, I'd lose hours of productiveness per week. Not possible when you're a small selfemployed business.

But iMessage with all that crap smileys and animations? Really? I used to use it a lot because I enjoyed it being functional and clean. Now it's just as cluttered and messy as facebook and whatsapp messenger. I feel like Apple is losing it's professionalism and I don't know where to turn to. I've long lost interest in marginal iPhone updates as I don't game on it and I got a seperate nice camera. I hardly use any of the "advanced" features OR the horsepower of a modern smartphone. Actually I'd prefer to be left alone by my smartphone and turned off ALL notifications and push-messages and also have it on silent all the time. I use it to check business emails and contact people when I need/want to. Not the other way round.

When we get tons of new features that I don't use like Siri and iCloud (for security reasons and I'm not so lazy as to need Siri for anything) I always think what wonderful OS snow leopard was. It was blazingly fast and stable. Not that I have any complaints with any macOS since then, but I feel like so much performance is wasted for running those hipster-features in the background.

Don't get me wrong. If you enjoy those features, more power to you and more is always better right? But for me, I just count the features that actually improve my workflow, save me a click here or there in an action I have to take several times a day. Programs not crashing, having everything look the same, simple and stylish for quick acquisition of information just by glancing at it. That's what Apple is... was... is... (dunno) to me. But right now... I feel like its all going downhill.

The smudgephone 7 in crap-black that looks like you're covering it in sunscreen after just 2 people touched it? What's the point? You literally can't keep it clean and undamaged for like a day without a thick case which destroys the purpose of showing it off.

I recently watched an interview from Steve Jobs from 1997 he said something that, for me, really sums up what's wrong with Apple now that Steve is gone. He said something like (paraphrasing here):

"I always thought the design and creation process of our products needs to be the other way round. Not develop something technological impressive and let designers and engineers go crazy and then try to market and sell it to the customers but start with the user experience. Try to create something that touches and helps the end-consumer in it's daily routine with the device and let the engineers design towards that."

And that's what's wrong with Apple right now I guess. They create something their designers and engineers can come up with and then try to tell us a ONE-port, weaker than iPad Macbook is awesome. JetBlack is the new BlackBlack and playing catch-up to features of Android phones years later is totally fine. And we eat it up like crap-cake.

Sorry. Had to vent some steam.

What exactly do you find so hard with Windows 10? My business runs it now and we have old tech illiterate women in their 70s managing it perfectly fine. Windows 8 I'd understand was a cluttered mess, but Windows 10 is snappy and simple.

While I do prefer OSX a tad more then Windows 10, its ignorant to assume that its impossible to use. Anyone with the knowledge of a 7 year old can figure it out in less than 5 minutes.

I do agree with you with the intention that Apple is aiming towards, it feels like they are targeting teenage girls (thats where the money is), rather then the professionals.

iPads, emojis, iTunes - You know when Drake comes out on stage, what the audience is for. Apple definetely used to be better with jobs in charge, Apple was expensive but had unique offerings over the competition. Now apple is just expensive and offers LESS.
 
Poor you, I can tell you're new to this thread.

But we MIGHT see new MBP before we see any Apple Watch Series Five stock indeed.
I've only been posting here for about a month, but I partially agree with him; if the event is indeed happening in October, we'll probably see the new MBPs before Apple Watch stock.
 
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