I get your frustration, for sure. But I'm not really sure why you're feeling the hard-core have been abandoned. I open a terminal window, and still can type in Bash commands. My mac works pretty much the way it always has, but with all sorts of productivity improvements that have crept in over time, like spotlight, and the improvements to exposé. And in a matter of weeks, we're going to get a thin and light MBP that has the fastest processor currently on the market.The people on this thread are *not* the target audience for Apple anymore (Maybe "Most people on this thread"). But I think a couple of years back, they were.
I got my first Mac in 2006. I had always enjoyed working with Unix - be it Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD. And then came Mac OS X - BAM! Fantastic! Run practically any Un*x software on a nice computer with a great GUI. That really got me. Everything seemed to fit together. It just worked.
Being a software developer, I used Xcode - quite nice. I also use Eclipse - works just fine. vi? It's there and does what it always did. Feel @home.
Even in 2011, when I got my second MBP, OS X suited me fine. But today I'm starting to wonder. It seems Sierra is not primarily intended for me. It's for the teens, maybe college students.
The Mac lineup fits in to this. The computers are meant to appeal to the masses and to be used by them. If you develop software for iOS - they'll do that too. No need for anything special there.
So what do you expect from the hardware? Definitely nothing blazing fast. Just something that will suit the target audience. And like Hermes' customers, they pay the tax for the name -.
I'm just saying this because I believe that quite a few people seem to have very high expectations. Don't. That way the disappointment won't be all too big.
And for my part: maybe I'll go back to Un*x. Might even consider a Dell XPS (Ubuntu). But then there's still some hope. Maybe Apple will surprise me (a little) and offer new hardware at a reasonable price. Then I'll stay.
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It's not just you. Mind you that I'm not a macOS "exclusive" user. I switch between windows and macOS multiple times a day. Weird thing is that I didn't feel like gouging my eyes out when using W7-W10 UNTIL macOS came into the mix (around 10.7 or so). I started to slowly gravitate towards macOS, and the more I used it the more my "hatred" towards Windows grew. Contrary to others' experiences, I was "poisoned" slowly over time, for around 2 years more or less. Mavericks ultimately was what converted me. Present day, I really cannot explain to you the sense of frustration that takes over me just by glancing over the W10 desktop. Why you may ask? I really don't know. I find it baffling myself really...
P.S. Don't get me started on the Start menu or the Control panel, easiest way for me to loose my s**t, for basically no reason (at least a conscious one) at all. Maybe it's true what they say and Apple does brainwash people.
that was exactly me a couple years ago. I grew up on windows. I was probably 4-5 years old using windows 95. Upgraded to practically every version: 95,98,xp,vista,7,8, and 10. I loved windows. I loved keeping it running fast and efficiently. Running CCleaner/disk cleanup/disk defrag almost every day. Searching for which anti-virus was the best one every year. Maybe only had the blue-screen of death 5-8 times in my life.
That was until I got an late 2013 15in Macbook Pro for college. I kid you not, I did not know how to install any application from the internet. The whole "dragging-into-the-application-folder" install process seemed so confusing to me. However, I am still confused why there isnt a simple way to completely uninstall applications in MacOS.
Anyway, after a semester of using my MBP as my only computer, I went back to windows 7 because my father was having problems. Holy hell, I did not know how to do anything. The control panel was a entire mess. Search never worked in the way I wanted it to. Doing a simple task required so many additional steps. And dont get me started on drivers. This was all amplified by a trackpad that felt absolutely horrible compared to my macbook pro.
Similar experience for me, only that i got the 2012 mba. I have bootcamp on it now with windows 10 and I must say it's gotten quite a lot better. It's still ugly as hell in some ways with the fragmented interface design and so on. I even got a blue screen not so long ago lol. The installation of stuff like printers are a breeze now compared to the xp days (you just plug it in basically).
In the hotel industry, and lots of other businesses, there is one distinct difference between Mac vs Windows. Most of the time the Windows Machines don't get Internet Access, but the Macs do. Wonder why? --^^^
Literally, almost the same story. I remember being proud of my BitDefender Total Internet Security antivirus, and TuneUp utilities to clean the registry. Also, in my entire life, I have only had 1 BSOD. Then macOS came in, "poisoned"/spoiled me (example: adding a printer just by clicking on the + button on the Printers & Scanners prefPane). Unfortunately after using macOS, I, once "proficient" in Windows, became a total clusterf**k while using it. Like you, I remember feeling lost with the whole "drag to your applications folder" thing. My yearly dose of stress comes from using Windows when I have to help a friend fix something.
P.S. I have a pretty funny but long story about a Hackintosh I have had for years (2010) which apparently "refuses" to run Windows 10...You know the OS that is supposed to run. Yet, El Capitan runs on it like a charm because of years of perfecting and learning about Hackintoshes and everything related to them (kexts, DSDT, boot loaders etc.). Talk about irony.... but that's a story for another time.
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Nah David Fincher. He'll make it into a dark psychological movie about some hundred dudes sitting behind their old computers waiting for a new computer. Then he'll win multiple Oscars for introspecting into the human psyche of today, people's lives being totally encapsulated by machines.
Fans. The new fans. Biggest, loudest, fastest, meanest fans a laptop ever had. Can't innovate my ass, but I sure can innovate fans!!!
I've tuned so long, that I can hear tumble weed on Mars.
My sister got my windows computer after I got my mbp. I clean installed windows 10 for her and after a year, she was experiencing so many problems. Opening the start menu took literally 4-5 seconds after you pressed it, blue screened practically twice a day, etc. I suspect its more her fault because it was running completely fine for me for 3 years. So I decided to install the original software that came with it, windows 7. It took me four whole days (I didnt have work those days). What I am about to tell you literally surpasses any sense.
On the first day, I couldnt download windows 7 from microsoft because it told me that I had a Lenovo windows 7 key and I had to download from lenovo itself. Lenovo didnt have windows 7 at all. Therefore, I had to download windows 7 off of a torrent site (rip KAT). Download takes 3 hours. Then I had to burn the iso to a flash drive which took 30 min. I plug it in, and guess what? The entire os is in German and there is no option to change to English. f**k me.
So I searched for a new windows 7 download. Finally I find the right download. However, this already took me an entire day and I had to wait till tomorrow. I wake up tomorrow thinking it would be smooth sailing from here. Little did I know, it was just the beginning.
On the second day, I install windows 7 on her lenovo desktop using the key from the back (turns out my lenovo key does work with any windows 7 download, f**k you microsoft). This takes a good hour to install. After it is done, I install chrome and start installing back applications. Standard stuff. I go into the control panel and check for updates because I know there is going to be a lot. 10 min go by, nothing. 30 min go by, still nothing: says its still checking for updates. 2 hours go by nothing. I leave it over night checking for updates: STILL NOTHING.
Turns out this is a common problem installing windows 7 ever since windows 10 has come out. On the third day, I had to update "windows update" manually. S**t how is this "user-friendly"? If my dad or basically 70% of the population were faced with this problem, they would have never noticed this and would have been running windows 7 with no updates forever. Finally installed the update and after a couple reboots I was presented with all the updates. I had around 200-300 updates to go; around 2.5gb. Thats amost the same size as the original windows 7 installation iso. Now I was really starting to get pissed off. I click download and install all updates and leave it overnight.
Wake up on the fourth day, turns out the windows update stalled overnight and didnt installing any updates. I was about to just leave her computer the way it was and never touch it again. Instead I spent the entire day, installing every single update one-by-one. After this whole ordeal, I will never touch a windows computer ever again.
Okay, so new game. What page are we actually on when Apple announces the next MacBook Pro? Not the invite - the actual announcement. I'll throw my guess out there at 1314.
Exactly what I expect to be my personal history with "machines" in a year or so.
After 20 ys on windows, I decided that the next MBP will be my jump to OS. I'm still on win 7 and I care about my laptop like a son, and I have to admit that everything runs quite smooth despite his 6 years as my universal PC for home, gaming and university, but I'm really tired of that sensation of cheap device manufacture (especially compared to Apple) which came really soon and that "general malfunctioning" when you talk about new drivers and new hardware, like simply installing a router, or also the attention you have to pay when you install every-single-program or application to avoid malwares, adwares and so on...
Yep Timmy has Serban testing one with Twin Turbos Dual Quads headers and chrome Muffy's side pipes (like on the 1969 427 BBC Vette), it is So Blazingly fast it'll come with racing gloves and heat shields for your fingers and forearms so they don't get burnt by the side pipes exhaust coming from those glowing white hot turbos....
It'll be so fast when you run Geekbench it'll leave burn out marks and a pile of pixels on both sides of the screen and the smell of burnt rubber will linger for weeks....
Hahahaha memories. I have TONS of stories like those to share.
SEND THE OCTOBER INVITE PLEASE SWEET BABY JESUS
My Windows desktop woke itself up from sleep last night to update itself. Stupid me, I forgot to re-disable WiFi after printing a shipping label. Now who knows how many gigabytes it pulled from my very limited connection (I live on a mountain and use cellular for everything.
Still never used a Mac. Maybe it will do the same thing? Who knows. But Microsoft thinks its ok to hijack my computer whenever it wants and that irritates the hell out of me.
And Apple irritates me by not releasing "My First Mac" yet. On the balance Apple's still ahead.
Still never used a Mac. Maybe it will do the same thing? Who knows. But Microsoft thinks its ok to hijack my computer whenever it wants and that irritates the hell out of me.
And Apple irritates me by not releasing "My First Mac" yet. On the balance Apple's still ahead.
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yeah i love the fact that with MacOS, all I need to download is a simple 10.12.x file (whatever is the latest) and thats it. No installing additional updates after the fact. Easy and simple.
+1, same here used Windows 95 as a wee lad, all the way to Windows 7 today. Now to a new chapter of my computer life with MacOS....IF Apple decides to release a new RMBP anytime soon.
I'm not exactly frustrated. And btw the first thing I always do on any OS I have to work with is open a terminal.
There are good xterms for Windows and I've always used them. And I spend a lot of time in the Terminal app
I guess I have to admit that I'm "old school". I'm just hoping that I won't be too disappointed by whatever Apples I am offered... Be it when they are offered and at what price that will be.
Call me Heretic, but I kinda miss my old Windows XP computer. A super powerful Pentium 3, probably the first computer where I started to understand how a computer works, and where I discovered the first applications, games, internet and of course porn.
Good, now I feel old.
By the way, I couldn't resist
WHAT A DAY WHAT A LOVELY DAY!
WHITNEEEESSS THE MACBOOK PROOOO!!
Good, now I feel old.
By the way, I couldn't resist
WHAT A DAY WHAT A LOVELY DAY!
WHITNEEEESSS THE MACBOOK PROOOO!!
Hey that's Zephram Cochrane!
Win 95? try Apple basic on an ][c !
I'm sure someone else can one up me in this thread and remembers using actual punch cards, or telex machines..
Damn kids! GET OFF MY LAN!
Win 95? try Apple basic on an
][c !I'm sure someone else can one up me in this thread and remembers using actual punch cards, or telex machines..
Damn kids! GET OFF MY LAN!
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