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By the way, did anyone see an increase in available SSD space after upgrading El Capitan to Sierra? Without/before using the Storage Management feature, that is.

After upgrading to Sierra, the system tells me I have 66 GB free but if I try to copy a 43GB file, it tells me I don't have enough space.

In other words, the 'free space' calculation is misbehaving, and maybe that's why you think you have more free space now.
 
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Is it me or is the OLED bar not even close to a must-have feature? I can imagine context sensitive buttons that are touchable like copy and paste....but do we not just command c things and command v things? That would be even quicker. Basically, shortcut keys are pretty adequate already.
 
Chill everyone, there's no need to be angry about anything.

Nobody is going to read back hundreds of pages of worthless padding to get the thread to the magic 1000 pages. :) Unfortunately anything of value posted here has been lost in all the whining and trying to get it to some pointless number of pages.

Fair enough, but one of the reasons we somehow reached page 1000+ was because every 3 pages there were people asking "when is it MacBook Pro coming?" "is it going to use Kaby Lake, right?" "Will it have a dGPU? Which one?" "Will it blend?" and so on.
Every single feature/rumor has been already discussed ad nauseum. There is really nothing left.
We could speculate about the release date, but that's it. And you understand, that for users being here since page 75, some of them more than an year ago, it has become annoying to always answer to the same three questions.
I'm sorry if you're not taking ironically this "1000 pages" thing, but it's really more about sadly laughing, because we can't be more desperate as we already are.

I'm getting tired of reading people talk like they know for a fact exactly what processors Apple will use.
Think like I do.

Er, the point is we actually know. Apple in the past has always used H-series CPUs for the 15" MacBook Pro.
Kaby Lake H-series are not listed on the Intel Roadmap, or far far in the future.
We are, like, 99% sure of no Kaby Lake MBP incoming. Of course we could always be wrong ( :D ).
But, so to say, we could all be wrong about the sun rising tomorrow, too...
 
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Okay, I'm going to try to bring some clarity to this endless repetition. I'm going to write a post that should contain the most up-to-date rumor-state and processor, GPU, etc. knowings, which will be updated and is intended for mass quoting whenever a so-often-hear question reappears. As this is kind of a collective effort, it would be great if people send me DMs of points I miss or didn't get right, or are simply not included yet, your info will be worked in and you will be quoted. Let's start with the basic processor things, and some GPU talk. Btw, this text is quoted so it won't be included in future quotations.

PROCESSORS
Apple has in the past used 28-watt-class U-series Intel Core Dual-Core-CPUs for the 13'' MBP, and 47-watt-class H(Q) Intel Core Quad-Core CPUs for the 15''. Both of those have always been used with the best iGPU available, which since Haswell has been dubbed "Iris (Pro)" by Intel.
Judging from the past, Apple will use the following CPUs for the 13'' model: Intel Core i5-6267U, Intel Core i5-6287U, Intel Core i7-6567U. Those processors have been released since Q1 2016, but they only been showing up in a very low volume VAIO-laptop so far.
For the 15'': Intel Core i7-6770HQ, Intel Core i7-6870HQ, Intel Core i7-6970HQ. While these have officially been launched in Q1 2016, only the 6770 has been seen in the wild, and that only in Intel's own mini-computer (NUC), and that only since 06/2016.
About Kaby Lake: Intel's newest leaked roadmap indicates that chips suitable for the 13'' MBP (2+3e, U-processors top line) are due in mid-Q1 2017, chips appropriate for the 15'' MBP (4+4e, H-processors top line) are not planned at all at the moment, replacement will be Coffee Lake in mid-Q2 2018. This means, that unless Apple waits till about February 2017 for a release, we will not see Kaby Lake in any MBP. If they wait that long, we could get 13'' Kaby Lake MBPs, but 15'' are no possibility.
This all of course only applies if Apple sticks to their current CPU usage. No rumor so far indicates that Apple is changing that.

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iMac 27" uses S-GT2 (first graphic, S, second line, Kabylake available Q4/16)
iMac 21" uses S-GT4 (first graphic, S, first line, Skylake available Q4/16)
MBP 15" uses H-GT4 (second graphic, H, first line, Skylake supposed to be available since Q2/16, Kabylake not planned at all, Coffee Lake planed Q2/18)
MBP 13" uses U-GT3 (second graphic, U 28w, first line, Kabylake available Q1/17)
MBA both use U-GT3 (second graphic, U 15w, first line, Kabylake available Q1/17)
MB uses Y-GT2 (second graphic, Y, Kabylake available since Q3/16)
MM uses same as 13'' MBP, used to offer same as 15'' MBP till 2012
MP uses Xeon E5 single processor, the 16xx-line. Currently uses Ivy Bridge, Haswell available since Q3/14, Broadwell available since Q2/16. Skylake is due ~Q3/17.


GPUs
Historically, Apple has been using iGPUs in most of it's laptops (except the mid- and top-tier 15'' MBPs). iGPUs make sense for a couple of reasons, as they draw a lot less power (e.g. 45 watts for CPU+iGPU vs. 45 watts for CPU + say 75 watts for a GeForce 1060), they offer sufficient performance for most users, they are less likely to cause issues, and less costly for Apple. With Skylake, Intel has boosted the iGPUs heavily. This makes it plausible that Apple is sticking to it's behavior and will use top-class iGPUs for all of it's products, as they are available (28-watt U-class gets Iris 550, 45-watt HQ-class gets Iris 580, MacBook Air suited 15-watt U-class gets Iris 540). If Apple were abandoning the top-class iGPUs, they could have released newer MacBooks for almost a year, so it seems unlikely they make the change now.
For dGPUs, Apple has been using AMD offerings in the last years, because of their better compliance with OpenCL, which Apple heavily uses in it's pro Apps. Nvidia promotes it's own CUDA-architecture, which would not be profitable to overall performance. Another point to consider is the fact that Apple grants very little power to the 15'' MBP dGPUs, to make a thin, light and long-battery-time design possible. The MagSafe charger gives you the idea: It offers 85 watts, which, when you subtract the 45 watts for the CPU, leaves a theoretical absolute maximum of 40 watts for the dGPU. In that class, Nvidia has no offerings at the moment that are faster that the Iris 580, as even the smallest Pascal-chip (the 1060) requires ~75 watts. AMD's Polaris GPUs however are more fitting, as the Radeon 480m requires 35 watts, while performing at theoretically double the speed of the Iris 580. Thus, it seems likely that – if Apple can make room for a dGPU in a possible redesign – the Radeon 480m will be used.

SSDs
Speculation has been going on about Apple raising the base models from 128/256GB to 256/512GB. Since the rMB is shipping with 256GB as a minimum, this does not seem to be too far stretched. Prices for SSDs have also been coming down a lot. Keep in mind that Apple uses PCIe SSDs, which are a lot faster and more expensive than consumer SATA SSDs.
A 2TB option could be available, but is just now technically possible. Samsung introduced the 960 Pro in a 2TB tier a few weeks back, Apple's custom SSDs are often based on Samsung technology. Keep in mind that MBPs use a M2-style form factor, and won't fit a 2,5'' 4TB 850 Evo. (thanks @CaliKW)


RAM
Skylake introduces support for DDR4 RAM, and since even normal DDR4 uses lower voltage (and thus power) than DDR3L, it seems plausible for Apple to switch to DDR4.
Also, DDR4 offers support for 16GB per channel, while DDR3L supports 8GB per channel. The MBP uses a two-channel RAM setup, doubling the technical maximum from 16GB to 32GB. As the MBP has not seen it's maximum RAM increase in a while, and the technical possibility being there, I don't see a reason why Apple should not include a 32GB option.


…to be continued. Please help me in making this a comprehensive FAQ-style post.
 
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So, I'm currently struggling to decide between the standard config "2016 rMBP 15" or the dgpu model. Just imagine the other differences like RAM and SSD are irrelevant for me. I'm daily using Cinema 4D, Adobe AfterEffects and Photoshop. How much of a difference will the dGPU have? I know I should get much RAM, and I probably will. But the dGPU help with render times, right? Does it help with live rendering in AE? Does the live render in the workspace become smoother while scrolling. I dont know how optimized the Adobe products are for the dGPU and thats why i cant decide. I'm currently working with a 2012 iMac with I5-3335S and gt640m, and I'ts quite a **** experience. So looking forward to a new MBP although I'ts crazy expensive in Norway as the dGPU rMBP is 3 370 $ :(

BTW; sticky this post ^^
 
Is it me or is the OLED bar not even close to a must-have feature? I can imagine context sensitive buttons that are touchable like copy and paste....but do we not just command c things and command v things? That would be even quicker. Basically, shortcut keys are pretty adequate already.
Just wait and see what Apple has in store for us. F-keys are useless on many laptops these days, yet they take a lot of space.
 
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PROCESSORS
Apple has in the past used 28-watt-class U-series Intel Core Dual-Core-CPUs for the 13'' MBP, and 47-watt-class H(Q) Intel Core Quad-Core CPUs for the 15''. Both of those have always been used with the best iGPU available, which since Haswell has been dubbed "Iris (Pro)" by Intel.
Judging from the past, Apple will use the following CPUs for the 13'' model: Intel Core i5-6267U, Intel Core i5-6287U, Intel Core i7-6567U. Those processors have been released since Q1 2016, but they only been showing up in a very low volume VAIO-laptop so far.
For the 15'': Intel Core i7-6770HQ, Intel Core i7-6870HQ, Intel Core i7-6970HQ. While these have officially been launched in Q1 2016, only the 6770 has been seen in the wild, and that only in Intel's own mini-computer (NUC), and that only since 06/2016.
About Kaby Lake: Intel's newest leaked roadmap indicates that chips suitable for the 13'' MBP (2+3e, U-processors top line) are due in mid-Q1 2017, chips appropriate for the 15'' MBP (4+4e, H-processors top line) are not planned at all at the moment, replacement will be Coffee Lake in mid-Q2 2018. This means, that unless Apple waits till about February 2017 for a release, we will not see Kaby Lake in any MBP. If they wait that long, we could get 13'' Kaby Lake MBPs, but 15'' are no possibility.
This all of course only applies if Apple sticks to their current CPU usage. No rumor so far indicates that Apple is changing that.

GPUs
Historically, Apple has been using iGPUs in most of it's laptops (except the mid- and top-tier 15'' MBPs). iGPUs make sense for a couple of reasons, as they draw a lot less power (e.g. 45 watts for CPU+iGPU vs. 45 watts for CPU + say 75 watts for a GeForce 1060), they offer sufficient performance for most users, they are less likely to cause issues, and less costly for Apple. With Skylake, Intel has boosted the iGPUs heavily. This makes it plausible that Apple is sticking to it's behavior and will use top-class iGPUs for all of it's products, as they are available (28-watt U-class gets Iris 550, 45-watt HQ-class gets Iris 580, MacBook Air suited 15-watt U-class gets Iris 540). If Apple were abandoning the top-class iGPUs, they could have released newer MacBooks for almost a year, so it seems unlikely they make the change now.
For dGPUs, Apple has been using AMD offerings in the last years, because of their better compliance with OpenCL, which Apple heavily uses in it's pro Apps. Nvidia promotes it's own CUDA-architecture, which would not be profitable to overall performance. Another point to consider is the fact that Apple grants very little power to the 15'' MBP dGPUs, to make a thin, light and long-battery-time design possible. The MagSafe charger gives you the idea: It offers 85 watts, which, when you subtract the 45 watts for the CPU, leaves a theoretical absolute maximum of 40 watts for the dGPU. In that class, Nvidia has no offerings at the moment that are faster that the Iris 580, as even the smallest Pascal-chip (the 1060) requires ~75 watts. AMD's Polaris GPUs however are more fitting, as the Radeon 480m requires 35 watts, while performing at theoretically double the speed of the Iris 580. Thus, it seems likely that – if Apple can make room for a dGPU in a possible redesign – the Radeon 480m will be used.

…to be continued. Please help me in making this a comprehensive FAQ-style post.

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Is it me or is the OLED bar not even close to a must-have feature? I can imagine context sensitive buttons that are touchable like copy and paste....but do we not just command c things and command v things? That would be even quicker. Basically, shortcut keys are pretty adequate already.
It will be more useful for things like volume controls in itunes or the like, not for things like copy and paste that you already do with a simple shortcut.
Anyway, still more useful than the force touch imho.
 
To add more thrill about the "but Kaby Lake?!" thing:


This post is from Feb 4, 2016. The new 45W CPU was finally "announced".
Today, 22 september 2016, (45W CPU figuring has "launched") the one and only computer using it is the Intel NUC Skull Canyon, introduced at the end of June.
More than seven month later, the situation is still the same.
That's why we logically don't expect Kaby Lake MBP coming anytime soon, or maybe never, considering the Intel roadmap.

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Thanks you @senthor for your help.
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Communion of the Vortessence.
 
My dad works for a security company that does work for apple. He was just told today that in 2 weeks they have another contract just like the do when the new iPhone is announced every year. Well since the iPhone is already out that only leaves a new MacBook since the new watches are also already out.
source: a user from reddit 40min ago
 
After upgrading to Sierra, the system tells me I have 66 GB free but if I try to copy a 43GB file, it tells me I don't have enough space.

In other words, the 'free space' calculation is misbehaving, and maybe that's why you think you have more free space now.

Probably because Apple is busy getting those MBP ready. There was no time to get the cloud sync right so they just show you 20% higher 'storage available' numbers to make you feel good.
 
My dad works for a security company that does work for apple. He was just told today that in 2 weeks they have another contract just like the do when the new iPhone is announced every year. Well since the iPhone is already out that only leaves a new MacBook since the new watches are also already out.
source: a user from reddit 40min ago

For the ones who started googling like crazy: https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/53yauj/new_macbook/
 
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My dad works for a security company that does work for apple. He was just told today that in 2 weeks they have another contract just like the do when the new iPhone is announced every year. Well since the iPhone is already out that only leaves a new MacBook since the new watches are also already out.
source: a user from reddit 40min ago
Yeah new watch is out, but autumn is coming, what about a refresh for the bands?
 
My dad works for a security company that does work for apple. He was just told today that in 2 weeks they have another contract just like the do when the new iPhone is announced every year. Well since the iPhone is already out that only leaves a new MacBook since the new watches are also already out.
source: a user from reddit 40min ago

If this is true, then the invitations should be sent this week or early next week.
 
My dad works for a security company that does work for apple. He was just told today that in 2 weeks they have another contract just like the do when the new iPhone is announced every year. Well since the iPhone is already out that only leaves a new MacBook since the new watches are also already out.
source: a user from reddit 40min ago
Wouldn't this mean that invitations should already be out?
Edit: Two seconds too late on my reply :)
 
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Wouldn't this mean that invitations should already be out?
Edit: Two seconds too late on my reply :)

Statistically, Apple releases invites most often on the Thursday 12 days before an event. But there have been enough variations recently that you really can't predict anything. The invites for the iPhone 7 event came on a Monday.
 
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