Never!Yay! That actually has renewed my excitement a bit. It will pass in a few days unless renewed though.
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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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i think by october we should be already between 1070 to 1080
Edit: no only 4 days left.. i think you are right with the GTX 1060.. nevermind it's enough for me.
you are not the first case here!.. dam you apple! people are dreaming for real!!. Can you just have little feeling for them!!
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I had a nightmare last night. The new MacBook pros where finally released and where available to my local retailer. I got there but there was a huge discount on the 2015 model and I ended up buying the model which I avoided for almost a year!
Still crying
Still crying
The only thing that's not cool is Apple charging premium $$$$ for 2 year old hardware.
If the retailer truly cared about the customer they would be educating the customer on the hardware's age as well.
There's no way if I was running a business I could sell a $1k-3k computer to someone without them knowing its outdated hardware, even if I needed the sale to make money. Couldn't do it. If I walked into a reseller and they were straight and honest like that, they'd be first one I'd buy my new 2016 rMBP from.
I havent read through the entire thread, but has apple had both a september even and october event in the same year?
All the time. A September event is pretty much mandatory because of iPhone season, so if there's an October event then there had to be a September event regardless.
What scenario do you envision where it makes sense to future proof a MBP with a dGPU? For someone who rarely games or works in visual media.
If I was the retailer and had good stock control then yes I would be educating the customer too, and building that level of trust, which would mean repeat custom.
However, it is not fair on these retailers to have random people coming into their store and spoiling business through no fault of their own.
Lets leave it there as this will turn into an argument not needed on this thread. I want to talk about Kabylake processors in the new MacBookPro and what the OLED display will be like, and if Jony can get the thickness down to 5mm by putting a 15w chip in there for the power users.
Once again, you've completely missed the point. It is not about spoiling business for a third party vendor. It is about showing customers honest information about the product that they may be laying over $1000 for. If Best Buy's profits from selling Apple computers gets a hit because of CUSTOMER AWARENESS, then it is deserved. Do you really think Best Buy should rely on profits made by customers that are unaware of what they are buying?
What you are essentially saying is that it is okay to educate customers inside of the product manufacturer's store, but not okay in an AUTHORIZED seller of said product's store. That's ludicrous. Prices are the SAME for the product in both stores, Apple or a vendor like Best Buy. Therefore, the customer should expect the same quality from both vendors, whether it is product education or spec assistance.
If you need my help with a top-of-the-line Hackintosh, let me know. I charge a pizza and some dry red, unless you're going to be a very difficult client, in which case you have to add tiramisu.
I was more talking about small business retailers than Best Buy [I don't live in the US......]. But hey, you go ahead in Best Buy, I am sure they will cope. It is Apples responsibility to update the machines, not the retailers - they have no choice, so why damage their business.
If they are a good retailer they will inform the customer on the possible update. But if they had been basing their information on this thread they would be bankrupt by now !
There is actually nothing wrong with the quality of the computers, just old. Most people wont actually care as it will still deliver the performance they need. I have a 2014 macbookpro which I use professionally everyday, and really I don't need anything more. So what is the real problem?
Do you think all retailers should put signs up like, Current MacBook [will be updated in March 2017] or iPad pro [due to be updated]. Or every television in store has a price with a sign next to it when it is likely to be obsolete. Or lets start putting signs up of the date when the actual product has designed obsoletion - even more transparent and honest information.
Maybe some clarity on the prices - wholesale price and markup price. You will cry when you see the SD cards.
What about salesman bonus on the extended warrenty they are selling, or his bonus on the product you are buying so you can understand his motives for the sale.
There are loads of elements in a sale in a store that could be raised. I design, make and sell things for a living and know the costs of design and manufacture against what you pay in a store. I also know that I have designed and prototyped the next product even before the current one reaches the shelves.
If we had a breakdown of all of these too, it would be even better. Wait wait another year and you will get something even better............
Tell me where you draw the line of transparency to a customer then I am happy to accept your argument.
However as I said before my thoughts were not on big box retailers but small independent retailers / small chains that would be effected by people who think they have some right to squash a sale because a product is out of date.
idk I went into a Best Buy and got a 2015/15 256 2.2 for $1800 and I was like suckers. I got the good model. I'm stoked. I have purchased over 30+ apple/macintosh machines all for personal use, and I hate to say it, but I have learned when and when not to buy...
There are quite a few factors to consider when getting a mac.
I for one just didn't want to be stuck with macOS Sierra, just in case. I'm sure it won't be a big deal tho.
But you do know they (the industry) are trying to make fan-less machines that have less horsepower... or identical to the prior year. I think the 2015 top speed was actually slower than the 2014 top speed.
Good luck getting a quad core! You probably will tho.
But all in all it's really a 50/50 wether to buy a currently top of the line (based on ports and features, not just GHz) 2015/15 versus dedicating to a whole new architecture (i.e. Type-C)...
It's not like people are getting ripped off...
It happens with cars all the time, people want the previous year model because of the change in design and/or a cheaper price, they usually get jacked now days tho because of technology like CarPlay, or just BlueTooth...but oh well
Sorry, the way I read your comment was in a way to push a causal computer buyer away because he wouldn't ever use the dgpu. But some people do buy top line specs even if it means they won't use it anywhere near it's full potential until years later. The benefit is not needing to buy a computer for a long time and in the long term saving money. And if you occasionally need the power you have it. This especially since I'm assuming your comparing the 15 inches.
So this all begs the question, why should a small retailer that does not have the monetary capacity to compete with established retailers, be off the hook? That honestly sounds like it will escalate to a fallacious semi-argument to emotion than anything else. If the machines put on sale are out of date, then that should not discriminate based on whether you buy it from Apple, Best Buy, or a small local electronics store. If their business gets damaged by a surge in customer awareness, then by all means, it is deserved. It is seriously unfair to give lee-way towards smaller stores to make sales, even if the customer is uninformed and would overpay.
If a customer is made fully aware that he or she are buying a computer released more than a year ago, with a processor that is realistically ~1.5(1-2) generations behind, WHILE it is being sold at the same price as its inception, and said customer still chooses to buy the computer, then by all means the sale is fair. However, you're LITERALLY advocating against customer education for small-business profit because i don't know why, do you run a small-business store and customer education would detrimentally affect you? No idea.
Let me make this very clear. Realistically, Apple does not pay the price it initially paid to create one(1) unit of a Macbook Pro 2015 in the year 2015. Prices for buying a processor that is mature and not "latest" go down, as well as the price of, say, an older graphics card on the dGPU model. It is like the price of a new 2014 toyota vs a new 2015 toyota of the same model, for example. There is a price discrepancy even Apple pays to acquire the parts necessary to manufacture the MBP. What you DON'T get is any of the savings passed on to the customer. For heck's sake, the profit margin only increases for Apple, for each unit. There are no savings passed on to the customer, and therefore, the customer is both figuratively and realistically overpaying. So with your argument of "Nobody will really care because it will deliver the performance they need", a 2013 MBP would deliver the performance a lot of people need, but to demand them pay the same price as a new 2015 MBP of the equal "tier" is absurd.
With that being said, there is an obvious bias towards small electronics stores in your mindset, and it literally doesn't make sense nor does it correlate to customer education. An educated, enlightened customer should make a purchase only when he or she understands the product that he or she is buying. In the case for computers, that includes the processor, release date, iGPU/dGPU, and everything else. I really don't want to hear again how Best Buy should be on the hook, but, unfairly, small electronics stores shouldn't.
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If I were to buy a new iMac, I would do it 1) NOT at an Apple Store, 2) on Black Friday, 3) order through website and have it delivered home. (Netherlands)
Anyone seen this being canceled? Or know why?
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...rcharge-your-laptop?ref=checkout_rewards_page
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...rcharge-your-laptop?ref=checkout_rewards_page
You guys fail to realize that the average consumer is not us. The average consumer typically wants the newest product CURRENTLY available. Not everyone cares about the difference between broadwell and skylake, or know what that is for that matter. The average consumer doesn't need the latest generation processors because most don't do performance intensive tasks. While I agree theres an ethical point being made about the retailers, the majority of people want the laptop when they need it, imminent update or not. I'm also sure retailers are kept out of the loop when it comes to future updates until just days before. So it doesn't seem feasible to potentially cannibalize sales based on the uncertainty of an imminent update.
This thread is starting to attract some real lunatics. It's the customer's responsibility to educate himself, not the store's responsibility to educate the customer.
I want an updated MBP as much as the rest of you, but some of you people are talking like the current MBP is little more than a typewriter in an Apple box. It's beyond goofy.
I want an updated MBP as much as the rest of you, but some of you people are talking like the current MBP is little more than a typewriter in an Apple box. It's beyond goofy.
Oh wow. More news being discussed here:
http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,11606.msg33843.html#msg33843
Could be that they are abandoning TB2 and want to focus on a TB3 solution that everyone can use (yes yes I know there are PCIe cards for TB2 but they are rare and $$$). It made sense for Mac since most of the pros use iGPU but less so for windows, manufacturers are not afraid to put a dGPU even if it kills battery life. The demand may be slightly less but the market is there, PC has been shipping with TB3 for almost a year (Dell started back in October 2015)! They talk about Thunderbolt certification being hard to obtain but, is it really the boogyman everyone says it is? Vidock said the same thing back in 2010.
Thus if they truly have not disbanded for good then they'll just wait for Mac to come with TB3.
TB3, simple enough considering they helped invent TB. Yep.
ANY DAY NOW.
Apple helped invent USB-C too, some speculate they did most of the work but, at they very least, they're listed alongside several other companies who helped invent the standard.
Sho 'nuff you can't find neither on any mac save for gimped half speed USB-C on the MacBook.
*sigh*
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