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Well here's the thing most people have about imagining about the innovations of the future-- they imagine their change, with everything else equal, steady-state, nada. The world doesn't work like that. It's a domino effect. Things are a catalyst to other things, and so forth. Technological growth is exponential for that very reason. People like to imagine that in 2021 or any year of your choice in the future, Cloud storage is dominant and is the quintessential form in which digital storage takes place. Then they complain about internet speeds and the what-nots, as if it stay the same.

It's like people who complain about bluetooth headphones and having to charge their headphones every 8 hours, which is exactly the argument I read a plethora of times on this very site. They honestly believe in the future, the only change is bluetooth headphones, and everything else, including battery life improvements, sound quality improvements, stay the freakin' same. Then Apple reveals beats solo3, with up to 40 hours of battery life. I've found a lot of people having trouble imagining the future in a cause-and-effect mindset where things have direct impact on other things. Rather, they believe the everything is equal, and then throw in a random innovation and see how it fits into the world. For example, how would you feel if I told you that without World War II, your great-grandparents would almost certainly been impacted, doing something different, at a different place, meeting a different person, having a different job, that you would've never been born? Jeez, people would go crazy and say no way, I was meant to be born no matter what, and whatever leading up to my birth would've happened with or without any global affairs.

World War III tomorrow. You get drafted. You fight four years of war, then return home. During that four years, you could've met the love of your life, got a nice college degree, been to a job you aren't at now because of said war, and maybe even had children. Instead, after war, you decide to retreat rurally and work a low-key job for a few years, and you meet a girl whom you love there, and have children. Then your childrens despise, protest, **** about World War III, because of how horrendous it "was". Fact is, they wouldn't even be born if said war never occurred, because the specific chain of events had to occur for you to even meet the girl in the rural area. WE would've never been born if the specific chain of historic events didn't happen the way they did. I know it's not a pleasant thing to read, but it's the truth.

And yes, I realize I went extremely off-tangent there. It's just very annoying reading some ****-posts about why some innovations won't work because the author imagines the scenario in which the innovation is apparent, in an "all-else-equal" future, which is NOT how it works.
 
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Well here's the thing most people have about imagining about the innovations of the future-- they imagine their change, with everything else equal, steady-state, nada. The world doesn't work like that. It's a domino effect. Things are a catalyst to other things, and so forth. Technological growth is exponential for that very reason. People like to imagine that in 2021 or any year of your choice in the future, Cloud storage is dominant and is the quintessential form in which digital storage takes place. Then they complain about internet speeds and the what-nots, as if it stay the same.

It's like people who complain about bluetooth headphones and having to charge their headphones every 8 hours, which is exactly the argument I read a plethora of times on this very site. They honestly believe in the future, the only change is bluetooth headphones, and everything else, including battery life improvements, sound quality improvements, stay the freakin' same. Then Apple reveals beats solo3, with up to 40 hours of battery life. I've found a lot of people having trouble imagining the future in a cause-and-effect mindset where things have direct impact on other things. Rather, they believe the everything is equal, and then throw in a random innovation and see how it fits into the world. For example, how would you feel if I told you that without World War II, your great-grandparents would almost certainly been impacted, doing something different, at a different place, meeting a different person, having a different job, that you would've never been born? Jeez, people would go crazy and say no way, I was meant to be born no matter what, and whatever leading up to my birth would've happened with or without any global affairs.

World War III tomorrow. You get drafted. You fight four years of war, then return home. During that four years, you could've met the love of your life, got a nice college degree, been to a job you aren't at now because of said war, and maybe even had children. Instead, after war, you decide to retreat rurally and work a low-key job for a few years, and you meet a girl whom you love there, and have children. Then your childrens despise, protest, **** about World War III, because of how horrendous it "was". Fact is, they wouldn't even be born if said war never occurred, because the specific chain of events had to occur for you to even meet the girl in the rural area. WE would've never been born if the specific chain of historic events didn't happen the way they did. I know it's not a pleasant thing to read, but it's the truth.

And yes, I realize I went extremely off-tangent there. It's just very annoying reading some ****-posts about why some innovations won't work because the author imagines the scenario in which the innovation is apparent, in an "all-else-equal" future, which is NOT how it works.
Are you going to speech on the next Apple event?
 

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Reduced capacity with more focus on iCloud storage would make an MBP no use to me whatsoever.
I need large capacity in the laptop, not somewhere else that takes time and a net connection to access.
I have a large music collection that needs to be accessed offline to use with my DJ equipment and music production
 
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Wait - im talking 2 GigaByte/Sec, you are talking 1500 MegaBIT/sec, thats a huge difference.
so are you talking about that when you had normal hdd you couldn't work? so you waited for SSD to be able to work.lets be real now 4G has more speed than we got 10 years ago with our 7200rpm hdd
 
I really hope that they don't go that route. I know cloud storage is the future and all, but it restricts critically your usage. No internet = no files. You can away on vacation with crappy WIFI, you can't access your files. You are on the go, on the train etc no files...

Maybe i'm not modern enough, but I am really not a fan of cloud storage (or maybe I don't know how to use it...)
I think it's inevitable, sadly. We aren't seeing too much innovation in storage and Apple continues to maintain giant profit margins. They also want additional money coming in as investors pressure company growth. On the bright side, their implementation in Sierra relies on a probability function, more or less. The idea is that your critical files won't be on the internet; only the uncommon stuff you open once a year. There may be a time when you don't have internet and you do need that rare file, but the probability is low enough that Apple is confident it won't impact your user experience.
 
There may be a time when you don't have internet and you do need that rare file, but the probability is low enough that Apple is confident it won't impact your user experience.

That will happen way more than people think. Indeed it is probably somebody's law.
 
. On the bright side, their implementation in Sierra relies on a probability function, more or less. The idea is that your critical files won't be on the internet; only the uncommon stuff you open once a year. There may be a time when you don't have internet and you do need that rare file, but the probability is low enough that Apple is confident it won't impact your user experience.

This is fine in theory, but it isn't yet a "bright side" because it doesn't work. In Jason Snell's review of Sierra, he describes how it deleted huge audio files *while* he was editing a podcast. With Apple's track record in the cloud, I can't see this as a feature I'd ever use.
 
They will probably try to sell you a MB with an LTE module and 16GB Storage only, so you can benefit from the wireless future and store all your files in the Cloud. Because they have the courage to take the next step everyone else won't take.
It will cost 999$ so this will also solve their entry level MB problem.
 
Are kaby lake for mbp the same series as the iMac? Cause the iMac scheduled for the 12th in October from best buy is a Kaby Lake and that could mean next MBP will also rock a Kaby Lake on em...
 
Are kaby lake for mbp the same series as the iMac? Cause the iMac scheduled for the 12th in October from best buy is a Kaby Lake and that could mean next MBP will also rock a Kaby Lake on em...

Desktop Kaby Lake chips aren't coming til early next year. Unless Apple snagged them early, which I highly doubt. But it doesn't matter for laptops because KL doesn't have the graphics options Apple needs for the 15".
 
Desktop Kaby Lake chips aren't coming til early next year. Unless Apple snagged them early, which I highly doubt. But it doesn't matter for laptops because KL doesn't have the graphics options Apple needs for the 15".

According to the road map they weren't, so why is there an imac advertised on Bestbuy with an I7 Kabylake chip in it?

Also what about the 13" - the KL chip may be ready for this.

Not trying to stir it up, as we all got sick of the 'when is Kabylake coming and why isn't it in the macbookpro' but I see this as a valid discussion point for the 13" at least to get it.
 
According to the road map they weren't, so why is there an imac advertised on Bestbuy with an I7 Kabylake chip in it?

Also what about the 13" - the KL chip may be ready for this.

Not trying to stir it up, as we all got sick of the 'when is Kabylake coming and why isn't it in the macbookpro' but I see this as a valid discussion point for the 13" at least to get it.

The chip for the 13" doesn't come out til next year too.
 
People in the USA complaining Internet speeds... guys, don't ever come to Australia then. A good speed here is half your bad! :eek:
 
Do we thing this is a mistake. If not, it doesn't seem to bode well for the prospects of an impending event :/
Someone please convince me otherwise.
 
Do we thing this is a mistake. If not, it doesn't seem to bode well for the prospects of an impending event :/
Someone please convince me otherwise.

Why not? If it's true, it means Apple scored KL from Intel early, so KL MBPs might just happen.

What is interesting is that it gives a color...says "OS X" and not "macOS" though.

There's a model number, is it consistent?

Edit: Appleinsider has some good reasons to doubt this: http://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/195961
 
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