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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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In 2014 they had an event on the 16th and then a meeting on the 20th. I think that's the closest they've had an event before a meeting.
Expect disappointment. Then you won't be disappointed.
I'm still disappointed even if I don't expect it out tomorrow
Either the invites will go out this week for an event late next week (20th)
or invites will go out next week for an event on the 27th
I think people are dreaming if they believe the Mac has enough life left in it to make it worthwhile for them to transition to ARM.
Hell, Paul Thurrott today published a story that Microsoft doesn't need Windows anymore. The point in the original article that lead Thurrott to write his opinion piece is bang on “nobody writes new applications for Windows anymore." Couple this with the fact Windows 10 is already confirmed to be the last version of Windows, and you can already see how this all plays out. The Windows everywhere company, a life without walls, is now actively preparing for a life without Windows. This is where we are at.
The same applies to the Mac. There's very little happening by way of new apps on the Mac. The most popular apps feel like they are on extended maintenance support at best, including Apple's own applications. Where iOS versions have been released, those get updated far more frequently with new features while the Mac stuff just sits there lagging far behind. Even Adobe seems to be pushing out a whole more stuff to mobile devices now then their bread and butter CC desktop apps.
If new software isn't being written that pushes the boundaries for better and faster hardware, the need for new hardware doesn't exist. And it also means you are wasting resources building new versions of Operating Systems if nobody is actively developing software to take advantage of new capabilities.
As I have posted numerous times, the performance gains people are going to see going from Haswell to Skylake are tiny. If you've wasted a full year and more waiting and crying for this update, you'll surely be asking yourself was it really all worth it - once you take delivery of your new machines? I hope the new Touchbar, Touch ID and slimmer and lighter form factor make up for it - but of course you'll also be compromising on fewer connectivity options and the loss of MagSafe.
It's really sad to see for those of us who grew up with traditional PC's and Macs, and still love them, but the ever-shrinking market means our preferred toys are already living on borrowed time.
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i cant stand this windows laptop anymore (Side note, sorry for the long post, its kinda a rant)
i swear, i go to class, take the laptop out of my backpack, power it on, and once its on and loaded up and everything, i open Word to take notes, and Chrome to view the professor's home page.
and this piece of junk decides that its not connected to the internet, even though i've already put in and saved the username and password for the network since the first day of school, and set it to "connect automatically". but its fine, its not a huge deal. let's just open up the wifi networks tab to choose the network and make sure we connect to it.
NOPE! computer decides to not open the wifi tab and not respond to any clicks on the task bar, even though the mouse is moving around fine. well, lets try to wait a little.
meanwhile, professor has started to lecture. ok, I can wait on the wifi to figure itself out, lets go back and get that Word document ready to take notes on. sike. can't minimize the Chrome window I'm in. well, ok then, let's use the multitasking gestures with the trackpad and 3 finger swipe up to get all the open windows view. uh-uh! doesnt do anything, no response.
ugh, ok the professor is getting into the lecture, lets just click on the open Word icon in the taskbar. Oh, wait! thats right! the taskbar doesnt respond to clicks because its still thinking about how its gonna open the wifi networks tab.
at this point i thought "well, the laptop isnt doing anything, at this point its just stuck at the same screen, might as well restart it". hold down the power button (cuz remember, the taskbar is frozen, and the windows key is also unresponsive, shocker). it turns off. "ok, good, lets turn it on". Hold the power button, there we go, the Dell logo comes up. good job computer!
wait, what's this page i see? Working on Updates. Part 1 of 3. 7% complete. ARE YOU SERIOUS NOW? I need to take these notes fam! i always take notes on the computer (except for math, since i have to write stuff down and calculations and stuff). the professor is giving the lecture dude! i didn't ask you to do any updates now! how the hell did you download it if you weren't connected to the Internet??
smh, now i have to take out paper and a pen for my notes, and then add them in with the rest of the notes on the computer.
PLEASE tell me i wont have to deal with this stuff on a mac! i honestly cant stand windows anymore.
i swear, i go to class, take the laptop out of my backpack, power it on, and once its on and loaded up and everything, i open Word to take notes, and Chrome to view the professor's home page.
and this piece of junk decides that its not connected to the internet, even though i've already put in and saved the username and password for the network since the first day of school, and set it to "connect automatically". but its fine, its not a huge deal. let's just open up the wifi networks tab to choose the network and make sure we connect to it.
NOPE! computer decides to not open the wifi tab and not respond to any clicks on the task bar, even though the mouse is moving around fine. well, lets try to wait a little.
meanwhile, professor has started to lecture. ok, I can wait on the wifi to figure itself out, lets go back and get that Word document ready to take notes on. sike. can't minimize the Chrome window I'm in. well, ok then, let's use the multitasking gestures with the trackpad and 3 finger swipe up to get all the open windows view. uh-uh! doesnt do anything, no response.
ugh, ok the professor is getting into the lecture, lets just click on the open Word icon in the taskbar. Oh, wait! thats right! the taskbar doesnt respond to clicks because its still thinking about how its gonna open the wifi networks tab.
at this point i thought "well, the laptop isnt doing anything, at this point its just stuck at the same screen, might as well restart it". hold down the power button (cuz remember, the taskbar is frozen, and the windows key is also unresponsive, shocker). it turns off. "ok, good, lets turn it on". Hold the power button, there we go, the Dell logo comes up. good job computer!
wait, what's this page i see? Working on Updates. Part 1 of 3. 7% complete. ARE YOU SERIOUS NOW? I need to take these notes fam! i always take notes on the computer (except for math, since i have to write stuff down and calculations and stuff). the professor is giving the lecture dude! i didn't ask you to do any updates now! how the hell did you download it if you weren't connected to the Internet??
smh, now i have to take out paper and a pen for my notes, and then add them in with the rest of the notes on the computer.
PLEASE tell me i wont have to deal with this stuff on a mac! i honestly cant stand windows anymore.
the shrinking market is in consumers but not pros. However there maybe there will be a transition away from traditional desktop OS and a move into more remote work on pro apps via Safari and web browsers using the power of the remote server to deliver an experience that is not related at all to the power of the machine or the operating system.
I for one will have no problems at all in using what is basically a lightweight terminal with everything stored in the cloud and all 'pro' apps via browser. Super flexible system and all that is really needed is a screen and input devices [pencil, mouse etc]. This is where the ARM chips will come in as it will all be processor agnostic.
I love technology and change. Everything I do is already in the cloud and happy to move to this more centric approach. The apps will get better as the developer only has to concentrate on one version and the battery life will be insane on mobile devices [unless we go super thin which is also likely].
Thems my predictions for the next 3 years. This may well be the last time we see a major Intel based MBP launch in the traditional sense as we know it.
Well, I don't know to be honest. However I do know that:
1)People say and/or promise all sorts of things
2)People can't predict the future as well as they think they can
Who knows, maybe Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, or maybe 6 years down the line, there won't be Macs. However the Mac line is incredibly resilient. It's largely a stable source of income for Apple, and has been growing, albeit slowly. I do think that Apple doesn't have a good reason to discontinue Macs. Not with the release of the MacBook last year and renaming of OS X to MacOS. If you think about it, Apple does have a niche market, not by demographics, but by price, and its derivative, income. Apple commands the market of $1000+ computers, and is pretty happy where it's at, I believe.
Honestly maybe in 5+ years. 3-5 years after 2016 is just like 2011-2013 to 2016. Not much in terms of practicality really changed, despite people quoting exponential growth in technology.
I agree in general making predictions about technology is dangerous and difficult. For example, I remember when the new Windows Phone OS launched analysts were predicting it would overtake iOS and Android within 5 years in terms of grabbing market share.
Some of those people still have jobs as tech analysts.That said, we're not really making bold predictions here. We can all see it happening before our very eyes right now. The evidence is everywhere. I want to live in denial and believe the Mac will still be with us in 10 years, but right now I'm not even sure if it will see out the decade.
If the market continues to slump towards an ever increasingly small niche professional segment, Apple will have no problem abandoning the Mac. Just as they had no problem killing off their server systems, some of their expensive pro software apps, and their 17" laptops that still served a segment of customers very well at the time (myself included).
I think the next bad signs to look for will be the axing of the Mac Pro and Mac Mini. The former because it targets precisely the people we think will still want real computers in 5 years, and the latter because it is the lowest cost introduction to the Mac.
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Haha yes. However, I do believe you have a part of it backwards. Apple is not expanding into the professional niche, rather, it is protracting out of it. Right now, Apple's Macs emphasize thin and light form factors with four color options. Also here in NYC, almost every college student uses a mac. I'm honestly not exaggerating. NYU, Hunter, Baruch, go to any college and you see a sea of Macs. Not even traditionally "professional" majors or STEM. Music majors, English majors, Classical mythology majors, all of them use Macs. I would say I'm pretty rooted into my generation to know that a many many many great deal of these college students are not technical-minded or know much about computing. Rather they get it BECAUSE of iMessage, Facetime, Apple. I believe Apple really has a good grip on this particular market. It really is a lifestyle brand for its ease of use and social offerings, for the younger generation. Oh and also, MacOS is not exactly expanding professionally, as it is user-functionality wise. iMessage, Facetime, Emojis, blah blah. Most recent updates were social in nature. Because of this, for every professional, maybe 2-3 students(speculation) enter college or just want a nice pretty laptop for content consumption. I believe Apple really has it down and Macs would definitely sustain a stable but slight growth years down the line.I agree in general making predictions about technology is dangerous and difficult. For example, I remember when the new Windows Phone OS launched analysts were predicting it would overtake iOS and Android within 5 years in terms of grabbing market share.
That said, we're not really making bold predictions here. We can all see it happening before our very eyes right now. The evidence is everywhere. I want to live in denial and believe the Mac will still be with us in 10 years, but right now I'm not even sure if it will see out the decade.
If the market continues to slump towards an ever increasingly small niche professional segment, Apple will have no problem abandoning the Mac. Just as they had no problem killing off their server systems, some of their expensive pro software apps, and their 17" laptops that still served a segment of customers very well at the time (myself included).
I think the next bad signs to look for will be the axing of the Mac Pro and Mac Mini.
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No, I agree with you. They are absolutely pulling away from the professional niche. But that's the problem - it's the pros who will still want computers in 5 years, and Apple abandoning them basically seals the fate of the Mac.
the pro apps will have to remain as there are millions of people using them. It is just the operating system and having the power of remote servers than local that will change.
MacOS doesn't really need to expand anywhere for me and I use it daily to make money. All the things that have benefited me in work are all the 'lifestyle' things you refer to - FaceTime, iMessage etc. I use them all the time to communicate with people. Stickers though can be shoved up somewhere........
I do expect iOS and Mac OS to merge into one ARM based OS and hope that itdoesn't go to the bottom and become some desktop for idiots which iOS is for me [I cannot stand my ipad pro 13" for 'laptop' use].
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no I don't.
However just because something remains does not imply that it is the company's direction. You have to observe where their latest focus is on. That was my point, not "professionals absolutely cannot use macs". Professional software can remain, and will remain obviously(no point in going out of way just to remove it), but the direction of development is not pointing towards professionals, as opposed to social functions.
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Lol yes true, hence why I bolded the word "practicality". Technical-wise (specs) it has improved, but practicality isn't that much different. Most people use an iPhone 6S, iPhone 7 just like how they use an iPhone 4, etc. Apps, Messaging, Content.
First, brilliant post ( That's why I love hanging here even if I won't get this Mac iteration).
I agree it's going this way, however I can't agree about apps and whatnot not exploiting the MBP / Not pushing the limits.
I said it and I'll repeat it : There are two kind of people who use MBP, the hipsters ( loose term here ) who could literally use anything else but it wouldn't fit the cliché / they can't be bothered; and the professionals.
For that second category, which I am part of, Apps, OS, hardware, are extremely important and impact work a lot.
I can't imagine for a second my iPad Pro running my servers, psql, various fronts, daemons and whatnot.
Current MBP ( best of the non maxed out ) is choking on what I do. IPad Pro, even if it was three times as powerful as it is, would be pure, unaltered ********.
How big a job is it to buy one of the latest Razers - and make it into a Hackintosh?
i don't know much about the pro segment and i don't know what i want to say with this post, but do you remember when everyone went: "apple is abandoning the pros!!" when they released FCPX?
how did it go from then?
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