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Just to be safe, I hope Apple has a non Magic Toolbar MacBook Pro. Considering Tim's at the helm, it might even be possible.

Problem is, if you had to pick between same chassis with new cpu, ram and gpu, but same keyboard and screen, or new butterfly keyboard, better bezels, dci-p3 screen, and oled bar, what would you pick?

I'd rather apreciate the former's keyboard, but the latters screen. decisions decisions.
 
When do you guys think it's going to be available to buy in Europe?

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On previous updates to the Retina Macbook Pros, how long was it until they went on sale on the website? I know quite a few times they were on sale the day of, but how many hours/minutes after the keynote ends do they start selling?

Taking a guess a 36 minutes and 14 seconds after.

When do you guys think it's going to be available to buy in Europe?

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January 2018.
 
All I hope for is an up to date GPU that competes with every other major laptop out there that's $1k+ than MBPs and function. This whole thin as a mint stuff is what is hurting MBPs imo. Save the thin stuff for MacBooks and MBA, but for the price tag I'd prefer a computer that isn't released with already recycled and outdated parts inside. But hey, YMMV. I'd also prefer Apple go back to Nvidia but hi2u2 grudge matches.
 
Am I the only one who's really excited for the possible Pencil support?

OLED bar? Slimmer? Skylake?
Yeah, it's cool and stuff, but Apple Pencil? Now, THAT would be cool and would be so much better than any of these wannabe-hybrids like the iPad Pro, Surface, Yoga, etc..

And it would actually set the Macbook apart from anything else on the market right now.


Right now I'm a Windows user and I like Windows, but I've wanted something to "draw on" for quite some time.
All the Windows machines have bad hardware in some way, the iPad Pro has bad software (at least for what it tries to be) and if the next rMBP offers Apple Pencil support, I'm buying one, no matter what.
 
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All I hope for is an up to date GPU that competes with every other major laptop out there that's $1k+ than MBPs and function. This whole thin as a mint stuff is what is hurting MBPs imo. Save the thin stuff for MacBooks and MBA, but for the price tag I'd prefer a computer that isn't released with already recycled and outdated parts inside. But hey, YMMV. I'd also prefer Apple go back to Nvidia but hi2u2 grudge matches.

I'm with you on this. I want a beast of a machine that is a real desktop replacement and not a desktop accessory. My biggest concern is the dGPU and Apple going with a dated rebrand then something that is actually new. I want to see at least 4gb of vram but would prefer 8.

I don't upgrade often and want it to last a long time before I see my computer can't run stuff.

My dream Pro would be:
17" 4K display
Intel 6970hq
64 Gb ram
2tb Ssd m.2
Nvida GeForce 1080m

But that won't happen but would without a doubt get one without a second thought and I would be solid for another 8+ years.
 
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I'm with you on this. I want a beast of a machine that is a real desktop replacement and not a desktop accessory. My biggest concern is the dGPU and Apple going with a dated rebrand then something that is actually new. I want to see at least 4gb of vram but would prefer 8.

I don't upgrade often and want it to last a long time before I see my computer can't run stuff.

My dream Pro would be:
17" 4K display
Intel 6970hq
64 Gb ram
2tb Ssd m.2
Nvida GeForce 1080m

But that won't happen but would without a doubt get one without a second thought and I would be solid for another 8+ years.

To offer that beast of a rig would mean Apple covers everything in between which is far too much for Apple to do considering the size of their iOS line. There's not one company that's able to offer every variation of laptop/tablet/phone. Apple offers those variations for tablets/phones cause that's where the profits are. If they hade 20%+ market share for their laptop line then I can see them expanding out, but it seems that they're content with what they have. Can't blame them since that type of machine would see less sales then even the Apple TV.
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I'm not sure how Apple Pencil will work on the MacBook Pro because there's no hover support.

Yet. The assumption is the trackpad is being updated to support the Apple Pencil and other features similar to the iPad.
 
Am I the only one who's really excited for the possible Pencil support?

OLED bar? Slimmer? Skylake?
Yeah, it's cool and stuff, but Apple Pencil? Now, THAT would be cool and would be so much better than any of these wannabe-hybrids like the iPad Pro, Surface, Yoga, etc..

And it would actually set the Macbook apart from anything else on the market right now.


Right now I'm a Windows user and I like Windows, but I've wanted something to "draw on" for quite some time.
All the Windows machines have bad hardware in some way, the iPad Pro has bad software (at least for what it tries to be) and if the next rMBP offers Apple Pencil support, I'm buying one, no matter what.

Guys am I the only one who think drawing on a touchpad is really difficult and confusing compared to drawing on a touch screen?? I mean really the only good use I can think of this future is for signatures o_O
 
I'm still not seeing how an Apple Pencil would fit on a Mac.

One thing is having a screen with touch above it and you can write with the pencil and see it happen on the screen.

Another whole different thing is writting on a trackpad and looking at the screen to look for where the writing is going. I don't know, it just screams gimmicky and "not practical at all" in my head, but I might be mistaken...
 
Am I the only one who's really excited for the possible Pencil support?

Not at all. Personally the OLED bar/Skylake/thiner(?)/lighter(?)/better battery(?) are more attractive, but I am absolutely excited about Pencil support!

I'ma super nerd, so I spend a lot of time helping my friends with their math. As of right now I'm forced to use Microsoft Equation editor--a piece of legacy software that I've been transferring between computers since '08! I've shopped around a LOT but have yet to find a good replacement among the free (or even paid!) equation-writing software. If Apple Pencil support comes, I can very easily see someone making a software (à la MyScript) that would allow me to just WRITE equations and have them made pretty. I would give much gold for that to happen.
 
hey guys, have you looked over at the "Waiting for the new MacPro" thread in the other section?
their own version of Serban has some interesting leaks for us too take a look!
 
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Guys am I the only one who think drawing on a touchpad is really difficult and confusing compared to drawing on a touch screen??

Why not?


If well implemented it would work the same way a Wacom tablet does.

The Intuos Pro S, which is the smallest professional tablet made by Wacom has an active area of about 6" x 4". The current rMBP 13 has a trackpad that measures about 4" x 3" (correct me if I'm wrong).

If the renders shown so far are anywhere near the final product you would have a trackpad that is about the size of the active area of a Wacom tablet.

I don't know the technical details, but most sensors needed for the Apple Pencil sit inside the Pencil itself, so it should theoretically be possible to add Pencil-support to the trackpad without losing a lot of space.


EDIT: When you have the Macbook on your lap it is probably pretty uncomfortable to use, but as long as you have a table I don't see why it shouldn't be a good idea.
 
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I'm still not seeing how an Apple Pencil would fit on a Mac.

One thing is having a screen with touch above it and you can write with the pencil and see it happen on the screen.

Another whole different thing is writting on a trackpad and looking at the screen to look for where the writing is going. I don't know, it just screams gimmicky and "not practical at all" in my head, but I might be mistaken...
Guys am I the only one who think drawing on a touchpad is really difficult and confusing compared to drawing on a touch screen?? I mean really the only good use I can think of this future is for signatures o_O

No different then the Wacom/Cintix pads. You'd hover over the trackpad to see the pointer on screen and then press/drag to actually write/draw. Different pressure levels equate to different responses (i.e. Brush size and what not).
 
If they are going to add Apple Pencil support why not make the screen a touchscreen?

There where reports of Apple using the liquid metal hinges you could flip the screen all away around and disable the keyboard. Then use the track pad to change certain stuff in the app. They have gestures for the trackpad that have become more advance and the iPad Pro was more of a prototype for the pencil.

Tim said the iPad Pro was the future. Maybe we had it backwards and the technology was going to be but on future devices.

What do you all think?
 
If they are going to add Apple Pencil support why not make the screen a touchscreen?

There where reports of Apple using the liquid metal hinges you could flip the screen all away around and disable the keyboard. Then use the track pad to change certain stuff in the app. They have gestures for the trackpad that have become more advance and the iPad Pro was more of a prototype for the pencil.

Tim said the iPad Pro was the future. Maybe we had it backwards and the technology was going to be but on future devices.

What do you all think?

That'd be pretty radical, but of limited use. MacOS is simply not designed for touch. Though I was very curious about the leaked chassis and the space for the display hinge. The cutout isn't as large as it is on the current chassis, so maybe there's a display change coming after all.
 
Not at all. Personally the OLED bar/Skylake/thiner(?)/lighter(?)/better battery(?) are more attractive, but I am absolutely excited about Pencil support!

I'ma super nerd, so I spend a lot of time helping my friends with their math. As of right now I'm forced to use Microsoft Equation editor--a piece of legacy software that I've been transferring between computers since '08! I've shopped around a LOT but have yet to find a good replacement among the free (or even paid!) equation-writing software. If Apple Pencil support comes, I can very easily see someone making a software (à la MyScript) that would allow me to just WRITE equations and have them made pretty. I would give much gold for that to happen.
Sorry, but doing this on a touchpad would be awful.

What would work really nicely would be if there was a way of using the iPad Pro as an input device, so you could see what you were working on (mirror the portion of the display where you were drawing). Perhaps an app for this already exists, but I haven't seen it yet.
 
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