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You can do all those things perfectly with the trackpad (which is even larger now). So what was the need for an OLED Bar. Touch ID is seperate, so I guess they could have embedded into the power button without the OLED Bar.

Contextual bar for applications isnt something that I'll pay extra for if I dont use applications that require that. So far till now, all of the uses we've all collectively thought of on MacRumors have not convinced for me this OLED Bar,. But Im still giving Apple a chance till the keynote.

In what way can you see and select points in a sample of music on the track pad? Enlighten me, because as far as I can tell it doesn't display images
 
In what way can you see and select points in a sample of music on the track pad? Enlighten me, because as far as I can tell it doesn't display images

We have people in this thread who could apparently have supercomputers which don't cut the mustard for their needs and then we have the people who can't see the point of anything new because they would never use it even if they have no idea how it will be used yet. If you don't like it, don't buy it just stop whinging about a product that doesn't fit your completely fantastical ideal that inevitably wouldn't be what everyone else wants.
 
In what way can you see and select points in a sample of music on the track pad? Enlighten me, because as far as I can tell it doesn't display images

You can't see and I never said that. However you can select points in a sample of music on the trackpad, as I've been doing it ever since I could hold a laptop.

As far as seeing, you have a 13.3" retina display for all the seeing you want! An additional OLED panel isn't gonna help you see any better lol, its another thing that can go bad, another usage of battery.

Like I said before, I don't like it. Though will wait for Apple's "magic" to convince me otherwise.
 
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We have people in this thread who could apparently have supercomputers which don't cut the mustard for their needs and then we have the people who can't see the point of anything new because they would never use it even if they have no idea how it will be used yet. If you don't like it, don't buy it just stop whinging about a product that doesn't fit your completely fantastical ideal that inevitably wouldn't be what everyone else wants.

I literally said I like it and it will be useful man ha
 
What function keys were you using? As far as I know there are only a couple that work and they have cmd alternatives that are much easier to reach. Not criticising, just intrigued.

My point is that there is almost 0 downsides to the new oled touchbar and potentially lots of upsides.

Think iTunes miniplayer, gestures to navigate the oled bar, notifications, shortcuts, contextual menus,

I could use the command alternatives but used to do some web stuff on Windows and find it easier to remap.

There are downsides to an OLED bar for those who touch type, because its one long continuous strip and not separate keys it makes it more difficult to type without looking down at the keyboard.
 
TO ALL OF YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT THE KEYBOARD:

These redesigned rMBPs won't have the rMB keyboard with minimal travel.

INSTEAD, they will utilise the keyboard found on the new Apple Magic keyboard, without the function keys obviously.

Go and try one of those out, I'm using one now, a rMB and the KB on the 15" rMBP and the magic wireless keyboard is the best. Correct balance in terms of key travel and size of individual key.

Why is that obvious? I have the magic keyboard and it doesnt use the same mechanism as the MacBook and the keys aren't concave like the MacBook keys. You can see from the images that the pros have the same concave keys.
 
Does anyone know or have a well educated guess as to what processors will be in the 15" models. My main need for processor power is to generate 100s (sometimes 1000s) of 1:1 previews in LR for 50MP 5DSR files as fast as I can. I currently have the original 2012 15" rMBP 2.7 i7 and the most recent 5kiMac with 4Ghz i7. I'm wondering how close the new rMBP processors will come to the current top end iMac.

Looking at GeekBench scores it looks like the current 2015 rMBP is about half way between my 2012 and the 2015 iMac. How much improvement is expected from the 2015 top end rMBP to the new Skylake top end chip?

Thanks for any and all comments..
 
Why is that obvious? I have the magic keyboard and it doesnt use the same mechanism as the MacBook and the keys aren't concave like the MacBook keys. You can see from the images that the pros have the same concave keys.
I agree, the leaked photos look nothing like the new Magic Keyboard which doesn't use a butterfly mechanism. The photos look very similar to the rMB. Hopefully Apple has made some improvements as my keys on the rMP are always getting stuck with small bits of dust under them. The travel is okay but the constant key issues is my worry about buying this new laptop.
 
Hm I just cannot imagine that Apple would plop the same keyboard down as is included in the meant to be ridiculously minimal 12 inch macbook. I'm not gonna buy into that paranoia until Thursday, and even if it's similar, I'll wait until some hands-on write-ups after the announcement. Not that the keyboard choice doesn't matter to me, if it truly is the 12 inch keyboard I likely won't get another Apple laptop - as is I'm already somewhat on the fence between going touch-screen Windows 10.
 
So tired of this
'you don't even know how it works yet'
'you don't need a physical esc key'
'Apple knows more than you about design'
'we can judge after it's actually out'

whatever line of logic.

It's confirmed. We know how it works. It is just a ****ing gimmick on a keyboard that will hurt your neck each time you need to press esc or any other function keys. What is bad is bad.

Why compromise usability when they could've just not increase the size of the already large trackpad and have enough vertical space to put that gimmick bar without removing existing functionality?

Questionable design choices. I feel like they're making these changes for the sake of making changes to appear charismatic in the field. Like removing the 3.5 mm jack. You can be charismatic in the field without gimping your products if you're truly innovative, like Apple has done so far until ~2012.
 
Is it so much to ask for something aesthetically pleasing as well as 'Pro'? I don't want a Thinkpad here, as it's ugly as hell. I'm a creative, working on something that looks good tends to be a better fit than working on something resembling a moulded bin raid...

Whilst I think yes, there are people out there who purely buy a Mac for the 'Brand', I think it's a very small minority. The same people who probably return the device after a week of use. There are a lot of Pro users, but most pros who use a laptop will have a desktop at home for the heavy lifting. A laptop is still a compromise and isn't going to be as powerful as a desktop, not for a long time at least. The run of the mill consumers who buy one to only run Word or something, nothing wrong with that? Maybe they just want a good quality machine that will run for several years without fault.

If you use a computer for work, then the contents of the computer should be far more valuable than the machine itself. And so the main priority is the reliability of that machine. Personally, I've never had an issue with any Apple device, so I trust that it won't break down in the middle of something or loose all my files.

Of course yes, it's nice to look at, but there's nothing wrong with that. If you want value for money you'll buy the cheapest thing with the highest specs. There is a premium with Apple products but a lot of that is in R&D as much as maintaining set margins and stuff.

tldr; people buy Macs for many reasons, just because a reason is different to yours doesn't make them wrong. Unless it's just a rich Chav wanting to show off or someone buying it as a gaming rig... Their just dumb!

Dude, you missed my point completely. I was replying to someone who was saying that my previous post was wrong about Apple's current design sense and quoted the Retina MacBook saying "MacBook" under the screen as the reason. I have no problem with people using their Macs for whatever the hell they like. I sure as hell didn't do anything advanced on my first Mac. I used pages, keynote, and numbers for schoolwork, but I always appreciated the design, usability, and stability of OS X so I stuck with the platform. I was one of those people who liked the OS more than the outer shell, and I still do. My main point in that statement was that I know a bunch of people that went to high school with me that really didn't care about the OS or anything else and just liked that it was a Mac. They used it as a status symbol. And, as a result, would have preferred to have more labels on their product that showed off what their product was.

All I was saying was that Pro users don't think about their computers as symbols of status primarily. They want their computers to look professional, but care more deeply about what it can do rather than who is going to notice that they have one. Having no branding is almost always more aesthetically pleasing, especially when the branding is just words, anyone in design could tell you that. Before today, I would have said that the only reason that the Retina MacBook has branding is so everyone knows you bought a Mac and that the rMBP doesn't have branding because the Pro users are the one's who don't need to have everyone awed by their purchase and/or they are creatives who prefer the aesthetics of not having the Branding. But today, I would have to say I don't understand what apple is doing. Pro users don't want an eyesore under the screen that is only for showing off. It was so sleek looking before.

To reiterate, I have no problem with someone who buys a Mac for the OS, the design, or to show off. I think all those reasons are valid for some people. What I am saying is that the device the non-pros will gravitate towards is the lightest one with the sleekest, most portable design. And since those people are the ones who buy for status (mostly. Many rMB buyers are just buying b/c it is a good machine), it makes perfect sense to include words to show off the purchase to other people in a subtle way where they notice you have one without you saying anything (it's classier that way ;)). And before today I thought that was what Apple's design mentality was, add a label for show so non-pro's can have a status symbol, and let the pros have the more plain and mature looking lack of branding that is more professional and just looks nicer. But that all went out the window today so I must be in the minority with regards to this opinion. Because if Apple added the branding back, then most people must like it. Apple is all about the bottom line.
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Can you all complaining about the keyboard, MacBook Pro print on the bezel etc all not place an order? Ensures the rest of us get our orders on time cheers :D

Seriously though, I don't mind having the branding on the bezel, but I sure as hell wouldn't have chosen it if I had the choice.
 
I agree, the leaked photos look nothing like the new Magic Keyboard which doesn't use a butterfly mechanism. The photos look very similar to the rMB. Hopefully Apple has made some improvements as my keys on the rMP are always getting stuck with small bits of dust under them. The travel is okay but the constant key issues is my worry about buying this new laptop.

Yep. I'll wait and see what the consensus is after the first hands ons but I fear the worst.
 
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I just want to say that I am seriously putting a lot of faith in all of you who said that the butterfly keyboard take some time to get used to but afterwards is fine. I'm preordering minute one. Maybe even earlier than that. And if I end up deciding I hate the keyboard after day 14 of ownership, I am going to find everyone who wrote good reviews of the butterfly keyboard on this forum and ask for a portion of my purchase price back as a refund, each of them paying proportionately to how many times they advocated for it.

JK, but seriously I hope you guys are right. I don't want to have to carry around an external KB just to use my new MBP
 
I think we need to wait till after the keynote to judge these new MacBook Pros. all we have are some leaked photos from macOS Sierra software. these could not be the final design either. who knows?!
 
I just want to say that I am seriously putting a lot of faith in all of you who said that the butterfly keyboard take some time to get used to but afterwards is fine. I'm preordering minute one. Maybe even earlier than that. And if I end up deciding I hate the keyboard after day 14 of ownership, I am going to find everyone who wrote good reviews of the butterfly keyboard on this forum and ask for a portion of my purchase price back as a refund, each of them paying proportionately to how many times they advocated for it.

JK, but seriously I hope you guys are right. I don't want to have to carry around an external KB just to use my new MBP

I'm ordering the second I can too. This is the only option, so it's not as if I'm going to not try it myself, no matter what the reviews say. I don't know how good the keyboard will be, but I can get used to most things. The mouse I use for my desktop, I hated at first. Thought it was too fat for my hands, my hand ached after using it, and now I've been using it for a few years and other computer mouses seem like crap in comparison.

If I can still type as accurately and quickly as before (even if it takes some getting used to), then I'm fine.
 
The butterfly keyboard is perfectly fine. People just need to get used to softer typing. I'm pretty sure you can actually type faster on the butterfly keyboard once you get used to it. The keys are bigger and there's more stability.
 
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