Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
Rob_2811 said:
Goodness me.

Do you honestly believe that the butterfly mechanism was designed for any other reason that to provide less key travel thus allow them to keep making the notebooks thinner? If you do i've got some magic beans for sale.
Click to expand...

That was exactly why they designed it. No one has suggested otherwise.

Rob_2811 said:
You've even accepted it yourself, you can't make scissor mechanism with less travel so they designed a whole new mechanism.
Click to expand...

Yes they did. Again no one is disputing this. You are arguing with someone that doesn't exist...

Rob_2811 said:
The fact that they don't use the butterfly mechanism on their own wireless standalone keyboard says it all. They know its a compromise.
Click to expand...

It doesn't say that much actually. Why would they rebuild their magic keyboard that doesn't need to worry about saving 1mm of height with either the current butterfly switches on the rMB or with new longer travel ones when they have a working product that doesn't need changing?

If you didn't take things quite so literally you might realise that we are saying that apple could easily create a butterfly switch keyboard for the new rMBP that has more travel than the rMB one. It doesn't have to have as much as the scissor mechanism ones and it doesn't have to have as little as the rMB one. It could be somewhere in the middle.

The pictures leaked look like a low profile keyboard. People are whinging that it will be the exact same as the rMB. It won't necessarily. Its a super simple argument.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mwb, Saturn1217, Bryan Bowler and 2 others
ArchimeZix said:
Sorry if it's stupid question :D

In Apple website when they say ..

£1,999.00
Includes VAT of approx. £334.00

does that mean I will pay £1999 or £2333 ??
Click to expand...

Keyword is "Includes". So you will pay £1999.
[doublepost=1477490151][/doublepost]
Rob_2811 said:
Goodness me.

Do you honestly believe that the butterfly mechanism was designed for any other reason that to provide less key travel thus allow them to keep making the notebooks thinner? If you do i've got some magic beans for sale.

You've even accepted it yourself, you can't make scissor mechanism with less travel so they designed a whole new mechanism.

The fact that they don't use the butterfly mechanism on their own wireless standalone keyboard says it all. They know its a compromise.
Click to expand...

Although it did make it thinner, surely it also fixes the issue of buckling of keys (i.e. you can press it and it will go down on one side of the key but not the other in a uniform manner). So not sure why this can't be applied to a longer key travel version.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mortenandersen
ArchimeZix said:
Thanks.. i'm not English native speaker :( sometime I misunderstand some words.. I thought they should right "VAT included"
Click to expand...

No worries :). A good way to check is to go to check-out and you will see what they ask you to pay (for future reference on other sites, which may not be clear).
 
  • Like
Reactions: ArchimeZix
zFF4VGV.jpg
Goodnight sweet prince, to the trash you will soon go. My first laptop, from 5 years ago. God I can't wait to ditch that 720p screen and 5400 rpm hard drive.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pahanda, mahcus36, imom and 1 other person
samparmenter said:
That was exactly why they designed it. No one has suggested otherwise.



Yes they did. Again no one is disputing this. You are arguing with someone that doesn't exist...



It doesn't say that much actually. Why would they rebuild their magic keyboard that doesn't need to worry about saving 1mm of height with either the current butterfly switches on the rMB or with new longer travel ones when they have a working product that doesn't need changing?

If you didn't take things quite so literally you might realise that we are saying that apple could easily create a butterfly switch keyboard for the new rMBP that has more travel than the rMB one. It doesn't have to have as much as the scissor mechanism ones and it doesn't have to have as little as the rMB one. It could be somewhere in the middle.

The pictures leaked look like a low profile keyboard. People are whinging that it will be the exact same as the rMB. It won't necessarily. Its a super simple argument.
Click to expand...

They did change it! They completely redesigned the Magic Keyboard and released a new version in October 2015.

0395c8f10f976a8a8044c6707f8a3cc0.jpg



They redesigned the look of the keyboard and the charging solution but used the same scissor mechanism despite having released the MacBook with the butterfly keys by that point.

Why would they do that? Because they know the MacBooks keyboard is compromised and that nobody would buy it as a standalone keyboard product.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cougarcat and mahcus36
BondFancy said:
Everyone here b****ing about the MacBook Pro logo under the screen, at least Apple doesn't cover your device in super sticky awful gaudy stickers.
Click to expand...

Personally, I prefer the logo there, but never talked about it cause it's so irrelevant. That and the Apple logo behind the screen. There's absolutely zero people that will base their decision on the laptop because of either of these things.

The keyboard on the other hand may cost Apple sales, not much, but some. I've never had first hand experience with the rMB, but put enough pressure on the current keyboard that the vowels have worked off in the 4+ years I've had my laptop. Though I have the bluetooth keyboards at home and the office so can deal with it when I'm out and about.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BondFancy
Rob_2811:

"They redesigned the look of the keyboard and the charging solution but used the same scissor mechanism despite having released the MacBook with the butterfly keys by that point.

Why would they do that? Because they know the MacBooks keyboard is compromised and that nobody would buy it as a standalone keyboard product."

Now keeping the key travel level constant or the same: Do you mean that a scissor keyboard is better than a butterfly keyboard? If so, why is that so? I would think that there are advantages with a butterfly mechanism when pressing the keys, because it doesn't matter what spot on the key you are hitting.
 
Well guys, I'm going to say that if they bring over the same keyboard as the rMB, it will be a frigging disaster. I have tried the rMB keyboard several times, and I simply can't touch type on it. You have to learn a different technique where you're in effect brushing the keys rather than pressing them. It's really hard to get the right pressure where you're hitting hard enough to actually activate the key, and not so hard that you are jarring your fingers.

I'm all for a thinner laptop, and my back really likes reduction in weight, but not at the cost of the keyboard. Please, no!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lollo, mahcus36, Rob_2811 and 1 other person
Rob_2811 said:
They did change it! They completely redesigned the Magic Keyboard and released a new version in October 2015.

0395c8f10f976a8a8044c6707f8a3cc0.jpg



They redesigned the look of the keyboard and the charging solution but used the same scissor mechanism despite having released the MacBook with the butterfly keys by that point.

Why would they do that? Because they know the MacBooks keyboard is compromised and that nobody would buy it as a standalone keyboard product.
Click to expand...

Of course they would still buy it. The rMB keyboard isn't that bad. I know they redesigned it. There is no reason to put a super low profile keyboard on a device that didn't need it. The butterfly mechanism isn't the problem with the rMB keyboard. Its the amount of travel they decided on. They could have built the new keyboard with butterfly switches that had the same travel as the scissor ones.

Its an obvious choice for the keyboards isn't it. Apple could do one of three things.

Use the same switches as normal, use the low profile ones from the rMB which plenty of people aren't keen on or make a new iteration of the butterfly switch that replicates the travel on the scissor ones. Why would they do either of the last two.

To be honest I don't even know what you are arguing about anymore. That you don't want the butterfly mechanism on the new pros? They they simply cannot change the travel if they use butterfly switches?
 
  • Like
Reactions: xmonkey
Mkondrak said:
That's it guys. I can't wait anymore. I've had it. hope you guys have more patience than me. this is what I am getting and I don't care what you guys think. good luck waiting forever for your "sky lake/oled gimmick" MacBook pros. bye forever. lmao
Click to expand...

...you can´t be serious man.
You can't seriously wait one more day?! I mean, come on...

BTW I'm here in the Apple Store, typing on the iMac Magic Keyboard and effectively it feels different from the ugly MB.
Also, there is a prohibited area with a lot of MB air and pros. I'll try to ask what's going on. :D
 
  • Like
Reactions: navaira, Dualica 01, mahcus36 and 1 other person
Rob_2811 said:
They did change it! They completely redesigned the Magic Keyboard and released a new version in October 2015.

0395c8f10f976a8a8044c6707f8a3cc0.jpg



They redesigned the look of the keyboard and the charging solution but used the same scissor mechanism despite having released the MacBook with the butterfly keys by that point.

Why would they do that? Because they know the MacBooks keyboard is compromised and that nobody would buy it as a standalone keyboard product.
Click to expand...
my god, they even made the top row keys taller! do you see the irony in that?
 
samparmenter said:
Of course they would still buy it. The rMB keyboard isn't that bad. I know they redesigned it. There is no reason to put a super low profile keyboard on a device that didn't need it. The butterfly mechanism isn't the problem with the rMB keyboard. Its the amount of travel they decided on. They could have built the new keyboard with butterfly switches that had the same travel as the scissor ones.

Its an obvious choice for the keyboards isn't it. Apple could do one of three things.

Use the same switches as normal, use the low profile ones from the rMB which plenty of people aren't keen on or make a new iteration of the butterfly switch that replicates the travel on the scissor ones. Why would they do either of the last two.

To be honest I don't even know what you are arguing about anymore. That you don't want the butterfly mechanism on the new pros? They they simply cannot change the travel if they use butterfly switches?
Click to expand...


They could put a butterfly keyboard on the new MBPs that have increased travel but its unlikely to give the same level as the current models or the Magic Keyboard. Generally speaking a scissor mechanism keyboard will allow for greater depth of travel that Apples, designed to be as shallow as possible, butterfly mechanism.

The bold bit is correct there is absolutely no reason to put a super low profile keyboard on a machine that doesn't need it. Such as a notebook supposedly for professional users.

Lets hope they haven't done so in the name of making the machine thinner. We'll find out tomorrow. I know what my gut feeling is though..
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Cougarcat
ArchimeZix said:
Sorry if it's stupid question :D

In Apple website when they say ..

£1,999.00
Includes VAT of approx. £334.00

does that mean I will pay £1999 or £2333 ??
Click to expand...


You'll pay £2333 but I'm getting it VAT free via the business credit card :cool:I'll be claiming the tax back
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back