Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[PKBeam]

this event was nice. the 2016 MBP is pretty much everything I really wanted. preordered the base 13" Touch Bar one. the price hike was unfortunate but honestly I was expecting it. And inevitably, it seems that you can't please everyone.

Anybody managed to understand if the SSD is soldered like on the 12" Macbook?

from what I remembered on the keynote, it definitely looked like the one in the 12" MacBook. It was on the left side iirc and I reckon it's soldered.

 

[danieleilertsen]

http://www.apple.com/no/shop/produc...6eeba77205db2cdf953cd36ab4cb31608ce3820b7129a

Does this adapter work With hdmi 2.0a?

 

[Ma2k5]

To be honest, I don't know anymore what ecosystem to be in, they all suck. At this moment I refuse to give them any money of mine. So I will not be buying any new phones, laptops or pc's, nor will I extend my current subscriptions anymore. I'm sick of what technology and technology companies have become.

I agree that all of them have their shortcomings, including Apple. I had a lot of teething issues and still have to do a lot of fussing around to get things to work like I had in Windows/Android (which had it done so easily). I was happy to put up with all that for best in class, now I don't think Apple are best in class

Apple products just work. It's never finicky and in the rare instance it is, I can bring them to an Apple store to get it fixed, usually for free unless it was my fault. The only problem I have ever had with a Mac in the past decade is the hard drive cable on the cMBP. It cost me less than $50 to fix at the Apple store; I bought a loaner computer and cloned the Time Capsule backup. This was in the middle of my qualifying exams back then. I can't afford to lose time (time=money) on figuring out what drivers don't work, why my computer isn't doing what it needs to be, or why it behaves inconsistently. I don't care to have the top specs or the best video card because in the end, that's not the bottleneck. The modern bottleneck is software and the only solution is a company that develops their hardware and software in house. I'm excited for the Google Andromeda and the Pixel; it's a good direction and I would switch if my workflow would allow me. For now, it's not worth it; I literally lose money by not buying Apple products.

They do just work, well have done so until recently. I don't hate on their previous product line, and I totally agree with your statement about support (which is why I started using them). But slowly, things might not just work, if they use old parts which become slow very quickly and unusable, rather than using the best available.

Even my iPhone 7, as well as iPhone 6s/6, suffer from a flawed cameria issue, where it just gets stuck on a blurry screen (10.1 supposed to have fixed this, but it didn't). Then I have freezes just accessing my contacts screen, browser becomes unresponsive etc. I am not talking about hardware defects, but software issues (that you referred to as being so great compared to competition).

Gone are my iPhone 4S days. Things don't just work as well as they used to, so why am I paying such a premium now? At least before, you was actually getting (hate to use these words again) best in class in the industry.

Android/Microsoft have their problems, but they have significantly improved upon them and majority of people are quite happy with how they perform. While Apple, as time has gone by, things have gotten worse for me in past 2 years.

 

[malko]

>99% of people are not going to need more than 16GB RAM in the next 5 years. Ever.

My current MacBook Pro has 16 GB ram and it is almost six years old (early 2011). In 2011 I was typically using 3-4 GB ram and now I'm usually around 12 gb, sometimes peaking around 16 gb. In other words 16 gb is enough for me for the time being, and will probably still be ok in a year time. But no way am I going to pay 2 800 USD for laptop that will be sufficient for just a year, coming with the same bottleneck as my six years older MBP.

The half year old XPS 15 has a similar form factor to the new MBP 15, but costs much less and can be configured with 32 GB ram. I'm not ready to leave the Apple eco system just yet, but I will unless Apple delivers a laptop with more than 16 gb ram anytime soon.

 

[rezwits]

Did they fix the dGPU issues? I really haven't been paying attention... but I expect more people would be yelling if they hadn't.

Honestly, this is how I think they solved the dGPU problem:

When you're using the dGPU the iGPU runs the Touch Bar. So it's kinda like you ALWAYS have two screens, and then if it switches maybe it just switches the dGPU to Touch Bar for lower power, but keeps the dGPU running?

I mean idk, because the thing is, the Touch Bar IS a SCREEN. So there has to be some kinda video chip controlling this...

Obviously the Iris iGPU can run what? up to 3 screens? maybe 4 if count the OLED??

That's the only way I think they solved it and they added the Touch Bar because it was a workaround solution.

Cause what do you do if you have TWO VIDEO CARDS/GPUs running? but you want SWITCHING on the FLY!

You keep them both running right? Then they just swap video buffers, idk, it's a mystery, but they sure are willing to just add this Touch Bar...

 

[GavinBelson_]

I like what they've done,but the price hike I wasn't expecting.

For the 15' 2.6GHz, i7 processor, 16GB RAM, 256GB version (the one I'd like), the apple store here in Ireland are asking for €2800 (incl. VAT) - a bit too much for my liking. I think I may wait until March and see what happens.

 

[hongtinh]

Hello! I hesitated and finally I think this touch bar really useless for me. According to you what is the best configuration for performance:

13-inch MacBook Pro (No touch bar)
2.4GHz dual-core Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 3.4GHz
16GB 1866MHz memory
256GB PCIe-based SSD
Intel Iris Graphics 540

(Vs)

13-inch MacBook Pro (With touch bar)
3.1GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor, Turbo Boost up to 3.5GHz
16GB 2133MHz memory
256GB PCIe-based SSD
Intel Iris Graphics 550


The prices are quite close and the touch bar is not important to me, I just want to have good performance to use photoshop, illustrator and web development...

same here, the touch bar would make me unfocused.

the cpu of 13-inch MacBook Pro(No touch bar) is Intel® Core™ i7-6660U, TDP 15w.
while the cpu of 13-inch MacBook Pro(with touch bar) is Intel® Core™ i5-6267U, TDP 28w, which is more powerful.

I want the more powerful MBP but I don't like the touch bar, hard to choose.

 

[augustya]

Yes they did! They mentioned it in the Key Note as well at the beginning of the MB Pros segment, stating that it was a 6th generation chip.

So is a 6th Generation Chip a Skylake Chip ?

 

[MarcBou]

Thank you for the feedback. I own a iMac with 32 GB of RAM and that is what I use back at home station. However, what puts bread on my table is my action-adventure, nature, and wildlife photography. I travel all over the world for approximately 150 days a year and during that timeframe, I am processing and delivering exclusively on my mid-2012 MBP. (see my signature below for more hardware details)

I may stick with what I have. I am not afraid to spend money on technology, but I have to see the value in it and for my own personal standards, I expect a new laptop to carry me through the next 3 years in the field. Anything less is not worth it to me at this time.

I have the same problem, I do professional video editing and I don't know if this 16Gb RAM will be enought to last at least 4-5 years. My other option is the Dell XPS 15 wich has 32Gb RAM for 1000€ less.

 

[navaira]

I was also actually happy with Apple Music, but I heard I can use that on Android so I'll keep that going.

Mmmm I seriously don't recommend doing that.

 

[simonmet]

- The screen is "Meh", just talking about brightness and wider gamut is fodder. 4k resolution or 100% Adobe RGB/HDR is what I was really hoping for. I could live without touch screen, don't want that.

The gamut of P3 is actually larger than Adobe RGB. It's shifted so it doesn't include the entire Adobe colour space but certainly contains most of it and the two are very similar. It misses some of the aqua-teal colours but P3 is better at reds, oranges and yellows. Both are a big step up from sRGB. It's good to see Apple adopting wide colour across all its products. Hopefully sRGB will eventually die.

This is a very good explanation with examples: http://www.astramael.com
And this isn't bad either: https://blog.conradchavez.com/2015/...r-gamut-of-the-imac-display-retina-late-2015/

HDR is cool but could be expensive from a power standpoint.

 

[MarcBou]

Was going to get a couple of these (4 total): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B432I4...TF8&colid=114T1Z3EUDAPS&coliid=I1HC8GZDALCHU4

That'll allow me to connect any USB-A based device cable. I'm trying to find some USB-C docks with USB-A ports, HDMI, and Ethernet (along with power pass thru).

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KYVKFDQ?psc=1

This is a small one, there are others with more USB-A ports

 

[whiteRAD]

After last nights reveal I am quite happy, that I bought my MBP this year in March.
Since then I've been using it for quite some time and I don't want to upgrade to the new MBP line with touch bar in the near future.
The prices are ridiculous and the lack of USB 3.1 ports is imo a disaster.
Also, I miss the magsafe connector. And I don't like those macbook butterfly key's on the new keyboard.

Generally, this is my opinion.
The new hardware is pretty neat but nothing spectacular (new CPU, new GPU, faster RAM, faster SSD okay thats nice to have).

 

[OVERTASK]

But guys are these actually the Skylake Chips in the 13" and 15" rMBP ? Finally ? Nobody has mentioned a word about it.

Yes, they are.

So is a 6th Generation Chip a Skylake Chip ?

http://bfy.tw/8R4Y

 

[WRONG]

Good morning everyone!
Let's get started!

spoiler, it's a multi-quote post:

You were @WRONG and I was @RIGHT.

I never said it shouldn't have a dGPU, but given the thinness, Apples history, Apples priorities, and the fact that it is 'more powerful' could suggest dropping the dGPUs.

Having said that I’m always wrong, how exactly are you “right”?

I'd be surprised if it has a dGPU at all actually.

If it does have a solid dGPU, it will make me overlook the negatived of the keyboard/Magic Toolbar.

it wouldn't be surprising at all if they dropped a dGPU option.

I find it funny how most people are assuming that they must be using a dGPU, and that it must be an AMD Polaris chip.

…so, I think every your “prevision” was wrong.
1 - MBP does sport a dGPU.
2 - dGPU is a AMD Polaris chip.

Page 118.

I've been here for 1260 pages

I’ve been here from page 64.
1412 and more pages.
WOW!

Now siri @.@, @WRONG how many shots you at?

Not enough. Unfortunately, I could only drink a glass of wine yesterday.

WTF, on the 15": better be a typo

• Intel HD Graphics 530

The same thing I thought when I’ve seen it.
“530? It can’t be true.
There is something wrong with my glasses!
Or, wait, maybe it’s a typo!
No, it could be because I’m drunk!
Wait, I’m not even drunk this time!
What da f***…..

I don't care about anything else, but a 2015 chip in a laptop that's a year overdue is just insane.

^
This.
Oh, and the 16GB RAM.
Aaaand the dGPU.
Now I seriously want to wait for benchmarks, For God’sake!

15" with 6700HQ? Does anyone know whats inside?

This is huge. They ditched Iris Pro. They had to wait for AMD. thats what took them so long

So basically Apple has no excuse at all for waiting this long.
Great.

This right here is gonna keep me up every night for the next two weeks. They went with the 2015 skylakes! The GOD DAMN 2015s!!!!!

When you say “for the next two weeks”, you mean “while I can still delete my order”, right?
Anyway, thing about it: they’re using 2015 CPUs and we are almost in 2017.
That’s absolutely crazy.

I wonder if the radeon 450 will have better performance than the iris pro 580

That is really an interesting question.
Can’t wait for benchmarks to show it.

I get the complaints for Skylake and DDR3...... next year we'll have Kaby Lake, DDR4 and a better dGPU.

That’s what we told ourself in may 2015, and look what we have now.

Very very disappointed.
[…]
But I'm going to buy one anyway. Picking it up on Saturday.

Aaahahahahhahaha oh my god you’re back.
Not only complaining for months about old interfaces, not only buying
the old MBP with the “old interfaces” you were always complaining about, but when they introduce the new MBP with the “flimsy” 3.5mm jack, you still buyin’?

The amount of money @WRONG spent on Whiskey over the past three years would've been enough to buy the new rMBP

True that.
But the satisfaction I got was remaaarkably better.

 

[x-evil-x]

After some searching and chatting with apple reps online, i have discovered that the RAM is indeed DDR3 2133MHz, which does indeed exist, and while 2133MHz DDR3 is the upper limit of DDR3 memory speed and it is the base DDR4 memory speed, there has been extensive research that concludes that there is a negligible difference bettween 2133 DDR3 and 2133 DDR4.

I asked multiple reps about the performance of the Radeon Pro 460. the first rep tried to tell me that it is on par with a GTX 1080, GTX 1070, and R9 Fury-X. The second Rep that i talked to was not able to give me much information, as they dont actually have all that much.

On my own i have concluded that the performance of the Radeon Pro 460 probably falls around the GTX 960M (which has 1.4 TFlops) and possibly the GTX 965M (which has 1.9 TFlops), which does give decent gaming performance.

So take all this with a grain of salt, if you have any questions about my sources let me know

How does this compare to last years model for dgpu 15"?

 

[3JL]

For those interested in the new LG Ultrafine 5K monitor:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HKN62LL/A/lg-ultrafine-5k-display?fnode=8a

I find it a bit ugly :s what do you guys think?!

 

[Mythos99]

I am so conflicted... i didn't like the Event, it was so terrible, but i still kinda want the new MBP 15, but it's 3.200 Euros... i mean WTF. The 2015 MBP 15, with 2.5 Ghz, 16GB Ram, 512 SSD costs 2400 Euro here in Germany at one store. Don't know what to do and i really need to replace my late 2009 MBP.

 

[Macintosh IIcx]

The gamut of P3 is actually larger than Adobe RGB. It's shifted so it doesn't include the entire Adobe colour space but certainly contains most of it and the two are very similar. It misses some of the aqua-teal colours but P3 is better at reds, oranges and yellows. Both are a big step up from sRGB. It's good to see Apple adopting wide colour across all its products. Hopefully sRGB will eventually die.

This is a very good explanation with examples: http://www.astramael.com
And this isn't bad either: https://blog.conradchavez.com/2015/...r-gamut-of-the-imac-display-retina-late-2015/

Thanks for taking your time to point this out. Another important thing to add in Apple's flavor is that they have a system wide color management system that just works. Unfortunately, this is not the case on Windows. I have a fairly powerful Windows 10 desktop and have been thinking about getting an Adobe RGB monitor, but you will run into problems with apps that aren't color management aware.

This is not a problem in, say, Photoshop, but it is still something to keep in mind before leaving the Mac for good.

I'm personally really looking forward to that P3 screen and will keep an eye on the new LG 5K P3 Thunderbolt 3 screen to partner with it for sure.

 

[x-evil-x]

WTF WTF WTF!!!!!!!!! They don't even include the extension cord piece of the power adapter anymore! Good thing I have a couple lying around from previous chargers, but that is just ridiculous. Especially with the price increase! The cord is only 2 Meters. I mean, how many times have you needed the extension cord? Personally, I would answer with EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!! Power outlets are almost never conveniently located in the perfect location. I struggle to find a place for my 2 M iPad charging cable to plug in because it doesn't have the extension. At least I used to say, "At least my Mac has one." Not anymore.

Am I the only one pissed off about this!!??
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I'm buying the Asus XG Station 2 when it comes out though anyway so I can put a 1080 in it. I want my games to play in the best form they can.

why not just buy an extension cable for 5$ ? I'm confused. You just need to bring the power supply closer. https://www.amazon.com/Axis-Power-C...&sr=8-15&keywords=6+foot+power+extension+cord

 

[padaxax]

Did someone already hook up an egpu to the new macbook pro (without touch bar)

 

[pmau]

I am so conflicted... i didn't like the Event, it was so terrible, but i still kinda want the new MBP 15, but it's 3.200 Euros... i mean WTF. The 2015 MBP 15, with 2.5 Ghz, 16GB Ram, 512 SSD costs 2400 Euro here in Germany at one store. Don't know what to do and i really need to replace my late 2009 MBP.

My choice is around 4000€ which I would never spend.
So Apple lost me for at least 3 years.
I'm honestly thinking about the Dell XPS. Dell must be happy these days.

 

[Ma2k5]

My choice is around 4000€ which I would never spend.
So Apple lost me for at least 3 years.
I'm honestly thinking about the Dell XPS. Dell must be happy these days.

I could have lived with the shortcomings and the price increase, if they left the battery capacity alone .

 

[Mythos99]

My choice is around 4000€ which I would never spend.
So Apple lost me for at least 3 years.
I'm honestly thinking about the Dell XPS. Dell must be happy these days.

4.000 is just crazy. They should just have made a MBP without the stupid bar, and sell it for 300-500 less.

 

[dk808]

A few months ago I was considering the xps 15. But the sheer number of complaints and issues i've seen online changed my mind