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So after much thought over night i decided to cancel my 15" 2.6GHz, 16GB, 512GB, pro 450. £2.5k+ without AppleCare is just a little too rich for me especially as for most part my 2012 RMBP is still working well. Maybe in a year or so when the need is greater i will make the jump.

After all these months of following the forum I wont have a new system to show for it...still its been fun!
 
So now students 'need' 32GB RAM? Sorry, it's just nonsense.
There are many different kinds of students. Not everyone who is a student simply wants to write essays. Anyone studying science could easily need 32GB RAM. I had to buy a second hand desktop with 32GB RAM for the sole reason I could not get a laptop with 32GB RAM in it at the time. Now I can. Just not an Apple.
 
Has anybody looked at the Geekbench results of the new processors?
This is for the multi-core
I7-4770HQ 2.2GHz - 11398

i7-4870HQ 2.5GHz - 12620

I7-4980HQ 2.8GHz - 13530

i7-6700HQ 2.6GHz - 11416 (new)

i7-6820HQ 2.7GHz - 12641 (new)

i7-6920HQ 2.9GHz - no benchmarks yet

Again, take this as you will.


I average in between 13600 and 14200 on the 4870. Pretty sure the CPU improvements will be negligible. The 6700HQ is slower and a worse CPU except for the power saving features. The 6820 is around the same as the 4870. But the 6920HQ might be as much as 15% faster (according to: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6920HQ-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4870HQ/m56225vsm14314 )

All in all, if you wanted better displays and better dPU, yey you! If you held out for faster CPU's, you got screwed.
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The last gen 15" with 512GB/2.5GHz i5 w dGPU started at $2500. Same model is now $2600.
The last gen 13" with 256GB/2.9GHz i5 is $1600. Same model is now $1800.

Price increase isn't as extreme as they made it seem. The Surface line by MS though. That's a dagger.
Depending on where you live. Previous 15 is 130$ cheaper in Norway.
 
You know, I bought a 4gb ram, 128gb storage Samsung ultrabook in early 2013 for 800€. The specs were too low for me and they were even low for that time. I was hoping base specs for laptops would have tripled or quadrupled in almost 4 years. Oh boy was I wrong. And those prices? Doubled or tripled.

Every year I thought of upgrading, wasted months waiting, eventually buying and returning. Guess my Samsung is spared for another year yet again.
 
As someone who makes a living with Adobe software like Photoshop, I'm somewhat disappointed with the 16gb max ram too. Files from cameras get bigger every year. But there's something even more important I need to ask you guys as you all seem to understand the GPU stuff well: Does some of the GPU options in 15" offer enough power to run Oculus Rift and HTC Vive? Oculus CEO has pointed out multiple times they are not supporting macs simply because no mac is powerful enough because of their graphics cards. I just started my post grad studies in new media, so ability to work with VR is very important. Yes, I know a PC would probably offer more options, but I've had macbook pros for 10 years so moving to Windows isn't something I want to do if it's not absolutely necessary. I also need a laptop, not a Mac Pro or iMac.
  • Oculus system requirements for the GPU are according to them "NVIDIA GTX 970 / AMD R9 290 equivalent or greater"
  • HTC Vive says "NVIDIA GeForce™ GTX 1060 or AMD Radeon™ RX 480, equivalent or better"
There are new VR headsets coming out all the time, so I know these things change. But buying a laptop that doesn't even run the current headsets would be useless. Thanks in advance!

EDIT: This is the reason I've been waiting for all these years. I never needed a redesign, the space grey color option or a touch bar for emojis. They're all ok, but it seems strange to have a "pro" computer that's very popular amongst creative professionals if it doesn't work with popular hardware like VR headsets.

Why not both? Buy a 12 MB and spend the difference on a decent desktop. I knew Apple won't get even close to decent GPUs this time round and I wanted to get into VR so that is what I did.
 
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Has anybody looked at the Geekbench results of the new processors?
This is for the multi-core
I7-4770HQ 2.2GHz - 11398

i7-4870HQ 2.5GHz - 12620

I7-4980HQ 2.8GHz - 13530

i7-6700HQ 2.6GHz - 11416 (new)

i7-6820HQ 2.7GHz - 12641 (new)

i7-6920HQ 2.9GHz - no benchmarks yet

Again, take this as you will.

So if I order an i7-6820HQ it could turn out that this CPU is slower or just even with my 3 year old i7-4960HQ? Ouch.

edit: Wow. i7-4960HQ 13358 vs. 12641. Thats slow. Are you sure about the numbers?
 
Yeah, they're not extreme they just pigeon holed everyone into HAVING to get the dGPU model and not getting 256GB extra SSD storage, if you want the 15"...
Did they fix the dGPU issues? I really haven't been paying attention... but I expect more people would be yelling if they hadn't.
 
Well I ordered one. 2.7Ghz with 8Mb cache and Radeon 460. 512 storage.

3100 € (I added a USB-C to USB-A adapter).

My god. I was thinking about spending around 2700, so this 400€ better be worth the money. This will be my main and only machine for the next 4-5 years, so...

Good luck when in 4-5 years the new standard is 32 gbs of ram... lol.
 
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But guys are these actually the Skylake Chips in the 13" and 15" rMBP ? Finally ? Nobody has mentioned a word about it.

Yes they did! They mentioned it in the Key Note as well at the beginning of the MB Pros segment, stating that it was a 6th generation chip.
 
Guys I wanted to ask, how have you managed to convince yourself to stick to Apple. I am looking for an eco-system for the long term and there are a few things Apple have done recently that have made me think, I need to move away.

I am not trying to hate, if anything, looking for reassurance/convincing that these Macbook Pro's are worth purchasing?

Now let's remember, usually when things get updated yearly or every 2 years etc, a spec bump is expected for it to be worth purchasing at whatever price point. So I don't believe a spec bump justifies huge price increases. If you bought a 4th generation i7 3 years ago at £100 for example, I don't expect a 7th generation i7 to suddenly cost £250 because it is x times more powerful than the 4th generation - because of the power of time. That 4th generation is now worth maybe £35.

Now let me try evaluate without being biased what Apple has done in the past year.

On the iPhone:
- They have no longer kept to their 2 year major update cycle, the iPhone 7 really was just an iPhone 6S+
- Removal of headphone jack, I could somewhat get with, if not for the fact they didn't do it across all their new products (note new macbooks).
- Still lightning, why not USB-C like the 12" rMB

On the 12" Macbook:
- The Keyboard on 12" rMB has serious quality issues in design (many threads about this)
- Why no HD camera, I am sure there are thinner laptops out there which hav at least 720p

iPad
- The donkey method of how you charge the iPad pencil. Also, why not an elegant attachment solution like the Surface?

On iCloud:
- Too little space for free
- iCloud mail still somewhat sluggish compared to my Outlook/Gmail (which is funny since my Outlook has ads!)

Now the new Macs
- No way to connect flagship Macbook to iPhone without buying a cable. This makes me question Apple as a company to support, like what kind of flawed philosophy is this.
- 25% battery capacity hit on both 15 and 13" laptops. Sorry but just saying "But skylake efficiency" does not justify this kind of battery drop. Skylake laptops are not anything new and they don't increase your battery life by 25%. If anything, I wanted the new ones not to EQUAL the old ones, but to exceed them. This has been the biggest downside to get over for me, if the battery capacity was kept the same (99.5kwh/75khw instead of 75khw/54khw for 15"/13" respectively), I would have already purchased one I think, possibly..
- Somehow the 13" has a better iGPU now than the 15".
- Both have really old CPU's, making their release more in line with coming out 6 months+ ago
- The screen is "Meh", just talking about brightness and wider gamut is fodder. 4k resolution or 100% Adobe RGB/HDR is what I was really hoping for. I could live without touch screen, don't want that.
- Touch Bar looks so cool, except when you realise, you don't want to be staring at your keyboard area when using a MacBook.
- Maximum 16GB Ram.
- Keyboard has had some bad reviews already.
- Why do we have a touch swimming pool instead of a touch pad? What was wrong with it before?
- The prices, oh the prices. I can afford it, but do I want to buy old tech at that ridiculous price?
- Weaker GPU option than expected, and to boot, you have to upgrade to the Pro 460, when we was expecting a RX460 as default. Funny thing is, no one was THAT happy expecting the RX460 in the first place!
- no iGPU version of 15", combined with the 25% battery capacity hit, say goodbye to your battery life.
- The new Air replacement, not only being MUCH more expensive, it will have probably half the battery life! Half!
- The complete lack of upgrades for the Mac Pro, Mini, iMac etc - kick in the face to developers who drive their iOS app business.
- Intead of a new Thunderbolt display, they ended up advertising one from LG. Not what I was hoping for.

I wish I kept my 2015 rMB 15", that was actually good value in my opinion. These laptops, I feel like if I buy them, I am already using outdated tech and I cannot say for sure if they will last the 4/5 years I wanted with the CPU and RAM limitations.

I know a lot of you have used Apple for a long time and are hoping this will all be fine, but sorry to say, give it a month or so, I can almost guarantee people will feel that Apple went a step back with these. The previous generation MacBooks were best in class when they came out, these are not. I am even worried about benchmarks coming out showing how some of the newer ones are weaker, or so minutely different that you are better off with the old generation.

Next year will be my switch away from Apple, they have not done anything interesting for a long time now. I actually liked my Apple watch so will be sad to see that go, but I don't really mind parting with my iPhone 7. I was also actually happy with Apple Music, but I heard I can use that on Android so I'll keep that going.
 
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Did they fix the dGPU issues? I really haven't been paying attention... but I expect more people would be yelling if they hadn't.
From Appleinsider: http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...uting-in-the-macbook-pro-detailed-benchmarked

"The discrete GPU in the MacBook Pro are based on AMD's 14nm FinFET process, and are designed for power efficiency, more than peak performance. All three units provide 80 GB per second memory bandwidth, and are based on the company's Polaris architecture."

So im guessing these chips will be cooler and not use the fans as much as the old dgpus
 
Guys I wanted to ask, how have you managed to convince yourself to stick to Apple. I am looking for an eco-system for the long term and there are a few things Apple have done recently that have made me think, I need to move away.

I am not trying to hate, if anything, looking for reassurance/convincing that these Macbook Pro's are worth purchasing?

Now let's remember, usually when things get updated yearly or every 2 years etc, a spec bump is expected for it to be worth purchasing at whatever price point. So I don't believe a spec bump justifies huge price increases. If you bought a 4th generation i7 3 years ago at £100 for example, I don't expect a 7th generation i7 to suddenly cost £250 because it is x times more powerful than the 4th generation - because of the power of time. That 4th generation is now worth maybe £35.

Now let me try evaluate without being biased what Apple has done in the past year.

On the iPhone:
- They have no longer kept to their 2 year major update cycle, the iPhone 7 really was just an iPhone 6S+
- Removal of headphone jack, I could somewhat get with, if not for the fact they didn't do it across all their new products (note new macbooks).
- Still lightning, why not USB-C like the 12% rMB

On the 12" Macbook:
- The Keyboard on 12" rMB has serious quality issues in design (many threads about this)
- Why no HD camera, I am sure there are thinner laptops out there which hav at least 720p

iPad
- The donkey method of how you charge the iPad pencil, why not an elegant attachment solution like the Surface?

On iCloud:
- Too little space for free
- iCloud mail still somewhat sluggish compared to my Outlook/Gmail (which is funny since my Outlook has ads!)

Now the new Macs
- No way to connect flagship Macbook to iPhone without buying a cable. This makes me question Apple as a company to support, like what kind of flawed philosophy is this.
- 25% battery capacity hit on both 15 and 13" laptops. Sorry but just saying "But skylake efficiency" does not justify this kind of battery drop. Skylake laptops are not anything new and they don't increase your battery life by 25%. If anything, I wanted the new ones not to EQUAL the old ones, but to exceed them. This has been the biggest downside to get over for me, if the battery was at least equal, I would have already purchased one I think, possibly..
- Somehow the 13" has a better iGPU now than the 15".
- Both have really old CPU's, making their release more in line with coming out 6 months+ ago
- The screen is "Meh", just talking about brightness and wider gamut is fodder. 4k resolution or 100% Adobe RGB/HDR is what I was really hoping for. I could live without touch screen, don't want that.
- Touch Bar looks so cool, except when you realise, you don't want to be staring at your keyboard area when using a MacBook.
- Maximum 16GB Ram.
- Keyboard has had some bad reviews already.
- Why do we have a touch swimming pool instead of a touch pad? What was wrong with it before?
- The prices, oh the prices. I can afford it, but do I want to buy old tech at that ridiculous price?
- Weaker GPU option than expected, and to boot, you have to upgrade to the Pro 460, when we was expecting a RX460 as default. Funny thing is, no one was THAT happy expecting the RX460 in the first place!
- no iGPU version of 15", combined with the 25% battery capacity hit, say goodbye to your battery life.
- The complete lack of upgrades for the Mac Pro, Mini, iMac etc - kick in the face to developers who drive their iOS app business.

I wish I kept my 2015 rMB 15", that was actually good value in my opinion. These laptops, I feel like if I buy them, I am already using outdated tech and I cannot say for sure if they will last the 4/5 years I wanted with the CPU and RAM limitations.

I know a lot of you have used Apple for a long time and are hoping this will all be fine, but sorry to say, give it a month or so, I can almost guarantee people will feel that Apple went a step back with these. The previous generation MacBooks were best in class when they came out, these are not. I am even worried about benchmarks coming out showing how some of the newer ones are weaker, or so minutely different that you are better off with the old generation.

Next year will be my switch away from Apple, they have not done anything interesting for a long time now. I actually liked my Apple watch so will be sad to see that go, but I don't really mind parting with my iPhone 7.
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If you arent happy with apple, just switch. No ones forcing you to stay
 
So I know I ordered the 13" Space Grey NON-touch bar base model this morning after the keynote...but now that the day is over and settled in I'm curious as to if I made the right choice or not. I'm ashamed of myself but I kind of wanted the touch bar "just because" it's new and "cool," but the college student in me didn't have the money to cough up a few hundred more dollars. It's already bad enough I'm into Apple products which means I'm already having to spend a lot of money.


I know my question is probably tough to answer considering as of now most of us don't have the machine in our hands yet.. especially most of y'all that have configurations done to them.

ON paper, is the new base model 13" rMBP non touch bar (Supposedly the Air replacement) SLOWER than the 2015 13" base rMBP? I'm no expert when it comes to specifications, but it looks like the processor speed is slower on this years model than the 2015. Is the iGPU faster versus the 2015 model? I was supposed to bite the bullet last month on getting the 2015 13" with 256GB which comes out to around the same as the 2016 one I just ordered. Also how would you guys think the difference is in processing power on paper between the non touch bar and the touch bar 13"?

Nothing good has came out of what you guys think about the 13" non touch bar, is it that bad? or is it just because of you guys are getting 15" with configurations done thus the 13" non touch bar is no competition.


I'm an university student that mostly just use the laptop for word processing, but I do need something good enough to run CAD programs for some of my classes.

Please don't yell at me, I know I sound extremely stupid right now.

From the benchmarks I've looked at the Iris 540 in the ntrMBP is much better than the iris 6100 found in the 2015 model. The base 2.0 ghz CPU may have a lower base clock but it turbos quite well up to 3.1GHz, so unless you're doing video encoding all the time, or something else that provides a sustained and heavy load I think it's actually a pretty valid option.

I myself am torn between the ntrMBP and the trMBP.

ntrMBP = non-touch retina MBP
trMBP = touch retina MBP
 
So I know I ordered the 13" Space Grey NON-touch bar base model this morning after the keynote...but now that the day is over and settled in I'm curious as to if I made the right choice or not. I'm ashamed of myself but I kind of wanted the touch bar "just because" it's new and "cool," but the college student in me didn't have the money to cough up a few hundred more dollars. It's already bad enough I'm into Apple products which means I'm already having to spend a lot of money.


I know my question is probably tough to answer considering as of now most of us don't have the machine in our hands yet.. especially most of y'all that have configurations done to them.

ON paper, is the new base model 13" rMBP non touch bar (Supposedly the Air replacement) SLOWER than the 2015 13" base rMBP? I'm no expert when it comes to specifications, but it looks like the processor speed is slower on this years model than the 2015. Is the iGPU faster versus the 2015 model? I was supposed to bite the bullet last month on getting the 2015 13" with 256GB which comes out to around the same as the 2016 one I just ordered. Also how would you guys think the difference is in processing power on paper between the non touch bar and the touch bar 13"?

Nothing good has came out of what you guys think about the 13" non touch bar, is it that bad? or is it just because of you guys are getting 15" with configurations done thus the 13" non touch bar is no competition.


I'm an university student that mostly just use the laptop for word processing, but I do need something good enough to run CAD programs for some of my classes.

Please don't yell at me, I know I sound extremely stupid right now.

The non touch bar could be slower than the 2015 model as it is only 15W Skylake CPU on the new base model vs the 28W Broadwell. If u need a laptop urgently I would bet on the touch bar version as you will be using ur laptop for around 3-5 years anyway.
 
Guys I wanted to ask, how have you managed to convince yourself to stick to Apple. I am looking for an eco-system for the long term and there are a few things Apple have done recently that have made me think, I need to move away.

I am not trying to hate, if anything, looking for reassurance/convincing that these Macbook Pro's are worth purchasing?

Now let's remember, usually when things get updated yearly or every 2 years etc, a spec bump is expected for it to be worth purchasing at whatever price point. So I don't believe a spec bump justifies huge price increases. If you bought a 4th generation i7 3 years ago at £100 for example, I don't expect a 7th generation i7 to suddenly cost £250 because it is x times more powerful than the 4th generation - because of the power of time. That 4th generation is now worth maybe £35.

Now let me try evaluate without being biased what Apple has done in the past year.

On the iPhone:
- They have no longer kept to their 2 year major update cycle, the iPhone 7 really was just an iPhone 6S+
- Removal of headphone jack, I could somewhat get with, if not for the fact they didn't do it across all their new products (note new macbooks).
- Still lightning, why not USB-C like the 12" rMB

On the 12" Macbook:
- The Keyboard on 12" rMB has serious quality issues in design (many threads about this)
- Why no HD camera, I am sure there are thinner laptops out there which hav at least 720p

iPad
- The donkey method of how you charge the iPad pencil. Also, why not an elegant attachment solution like the Surface?

On iCloud:
- Too little space for free
- iCloud mail still somewhat sluggish compared to my Outlook/Gmail (which is funny since my Outlook has ads!)

Now the new Macs
- No way to connect flagship Macbook to iPhone without buying a cable. This makes me question Apple as a company to support, like what kind of flawed philosophy is this.
- 25% battery capacity hit on both 15 and 13" laptops. Sorry but just saying "But skylake efficiency" does not justify this kind of battery drop. Skylake laptops are not anything new and they don't increase your battery life by 25%. If anything, I wanted the new ones not to EQUAL the old ones, but to exceed them. This has been the biggest downside to get over for me, if the battery capacity was kept the same (99.5kwh/75khw instead of 75khw/54khw for 15"/13" respectively), I would have already purchased one I think, possibly..
- Somehow the 13" has a better iGPU now than the 15".
- Both have really old CPU's, making their release more in line with coming out 6 months+ ago
- The screen is "Meh", just talking about brightness and wider gamut is fodder. 4k resolution or 100% Adobe RGB/HDR is what I was really hoping for. I could live without touch screen, don't want that.
- Touch Bar looks so cool, except when you realise, you don't want to be staring at your keyboard area when using a MacBook.
- Maximum 16GB Ram.
- Keyboard has had some bad reviews already.
- Why do we have a touch swimming pool instead of a touch pad? What was wrong with it before?
- The prices, oh the prices. I can afford it, but do I want to buy old tech at that ridiculous price?
- Weaker GPU option than expected, and to boot, you have to upgrade to the Pro 460, when we was expecting a RX460 as default. Funny thing is, no one was THAT happy expecting the RX460 in the first place!
- no iGPU version of 15", combined with the 25% battery capacity hit, say goodbye to your battery life.
- The new Air replacement, not only being MUCH more expensive, it will have probably half the battery life! Half!
- The complete lack of upgrades for the Mac Pro, Mini, iMac etc - kick in the face to developers who drive their iOS app business.
- Intead of a new Thunderbolt display, they ended up advertising one from LG. Not what I was hoping for.

I wish I kept my 2015 rMB 15", that was actually good value in my opinion. These laptops, I feel like if I buy them, I am already using outdated tech and I cannot say for sure if they will last the 4/5 years I wanted with the CPU and RAM limitations.

I know a lot of you have used Apple for a long time and are hoping this will all be fine, but sorry to say, give it a month or so, I can almost guarantee people will feel that Apple went a step back with these. The previous generation MacBooks were best in class when they came out, these are not. I am even worried about benchmarks coming out showing how some of the newer ones are weaker, or so minutely different that you are better off with the old generation.

Next year will be my switch away from Apple, they have not done anything interesting for a long time now. I actually liked my Apple watch so will be sad to see that go, but I don't really mind parting with my iPhone 7. I was also actually happy with Apple Music, but I heard I can use that on Android so I'll keep that going.

To be honest, I don't know anymore what ecosystem to be in, they all suck. At this moment I refuse to give them any money of mine. So I will not be buying any new phones, laptops or pc's, nor will I extend my current subscriptions anymore. I'm sick of what technology and technology companies have become.
 
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Are they already available to see them in store ?
The price increase really took me by surprise and i'm thinking of jumping ship but at the same time I love the mac OS environement ... I think in any case i'll wait a month to have some feedback and reviews. I'm quite scared they will come out with an update in March and screw us over with a price decrease...
 
Not with the included cable. Either a dongle, or you can buy a USBC-Lighting cable. My bet is the next iPhone will have USB-C connectivity.
nah it will just ship with a usb-c cable and usb-c power adapter. Seems like they have to do this because all their computers now are usb-s.
They won't drop lightening
 
Are they already available to see them in store ?
The price increase really took me by surprise and i'm thinking of jumping ship but at the same time I love the mac OS environement ... I think in any case i'll wait a month to have some feedback and reviews. I'm quite scared they will come out with an update in March and screw us over with a price decrease...

The touch bar versions won't be in stores for a few weeks. I'm not that surprised by the price increase, but I was hoping it would start at 512 instead of 256. If you can wait until March then do it, but I can't. I've been borrowing a friends laptop and iPad for class, but I want my own for exams in the winter.
 
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Did they fix the dGPU issues? I really haven't been paying attention... but I expect more people would be yelling if they hadn't.
Guys I wanted to ask, how have you managed to convince yourself to stick to Apple. I am looking for an eco-system for the long term and there are a few things Apple have done recently that have made me think, I need to move away.

I am not trying to hate, if anything, looking for reassurance/convincing that these Macbook Pro's are worth purchasing?

Now let's remember, usually when things get updated yearly or every 2 years etc, a spec bump is expected for it to be worth purchasing at whatever price point. So I don't believe a spec bump justifies huge price increases. If you bought a 4th generation i7 3 years ago at £100 for example, I don't expect a 7th generation i7 to suddenly cost £250 because it is x times more powerful than the 4th generation - because of the power of time. That 4th generation is now worth maybe £35.

Now let me try evaluate without being biased what Apple has done in the past year.

On the iPhone:
- They have no longer kept to their 2 year major update cycle, the iPhone 7 really was just an iPhone 6S+
- Removal of headphone jack, I could somewhat get with, if not for the fact they didn't do it across all their new products (note new macbooks).
- Still lightning, why not USB-C like the 12" rMB

On the 12" Macbook:
- The Keyboard on 12" rMB has serious quality issues in design (many threads about this)
- Why no HD camera, I am sure there are thinner laptops out there which hav at least 720p

iPad
- The donkey method of how you charge the iPad pencil. Also, why not an elegant attachment solution like the Surface?

On iCloud:
- Too little space for free
- iCloud mail still somewhat sluggish compared to my Outlook/Gmail (which is funny since my Outlook has ads!)

Now the new Macs
- No way to connect flagship Macbook to iPhone without buying a cable. This makes me question Apple as a company to support, like what kind of flawed philosophy is this.
- 25% battery capacity hit on both 15 and 13" laptops. Sorry but just saying "But skylake efficiency" does not justify this kind of battery drop. Skylake laptops are not anything new and they don't increase your battery life by 25%. If anything, I wanted the new ones not to EQUAL the old ones, but to exceed them. This has been the biggest downside to get over for me, if the battery capacity was kept the same (99.5kwh/75khw instead of 75khw/54khw for 15"/13" respectively), I would have already purchased one I think, possibly..
- Somehow the 13" has a better iGPU now than the 15".
- Both have really old CPU's, making their release more in line with coming out 6 months+ ago
- The screen is "Meh", just talking about brightness and wider gamut is fodder. 4k resolution or 100% Adobe RGB/HDR is what I was really hoping for. I could live without touch screen, don't want that.
- Touch Bar looks so cool, except when you realise, you don't want to be staring at your keyboard area when using a MacBook.
- Maximum 16GB Ram.
- Keyboard has had some bad reviews already.
- Why do we have a touch swimming pool instead of a touch pad? What was wrong with it before?
- The prices, oh the prices. I can afford it, but do I want to buy old tech at that ridiculous price?
- Weaker GPU option than expected, and to boot, you have to upgrade to the Pro 460, when we was expecting a RX460 as default. Funny thing is, no one was THAT happy expecting the RX460 in the first place!
- no iGPU version of 15", combined with the 25% battery capacity hit, say goodbye to your battery life.
- The new Air replacement, not only being MUCH more expensive, it will have probably half the battery life! Half!
- The complete lack of upgrades for the Mac Pro, Mini, iMac etc - kick in the face to developers who drive their iOS app business.
- Intead of a new Thunderbolt display, they ended up advertising one from LG. Not what I was hoping for.

I wish I kept my 2015 rMB 15", that was actually good value in my opinion. These laptops, I feel like if I buy them, I am already using outdated tech and I cannot say for sure if they will last the 4/5 years I wanted with the CPU and RAM limitations.

I know a lot of you have used Apple for a long time and are hoping this will all be fine, but sorry to say, give it a month or so, I can almost guarantee people will feel that Apple went a step back with these. The previous generation MacBooks were best in class when they came out, these are not. I am even worried about benchmarks coming out showing how some of the newer ones are weaker, or so minutely different that you are better off with the old generation.

Next year will be my switch away from Apple, they have not done anything interesting for a long time now. I actually liked my Apple watch so will be sad to see that go, but I don't really mind parting with my iPhone 7. I was also actually happy with Apple Music, but I heard I can use that on Android so I'll keep that going.

Apple products just work. It's never finicky and in the rare instance it is, I can bring them to an Apple store to get it fixed, usually for free unless it was my fault. The only problem I have ever had with a Mac in the past decade is the hard drive cable on the cMBP. It cost me less than $50 to fix at the Apple store; I bought a loaner computer and cloned the Time Capsule backup. This was in the middle of my qualifying exams back then. I can't afford to lose time (time=money) on figuring out what drivers don't work, why my computer isn't doing what it needs to be, or why it behaves inconsistently. I don't care to have the top specs or the best video card because in the end, that's not the bottleneck. The modern bottleneck is software and the only solution is a company that develops their hardware and software in house. I'm excited for the Google Andromeda and the Pixel; it's a good direction and I would switch if my workflow would allow me. For now, it's not worth it; I literally lose money by not buying Apple products.
 
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