Apple can't really go another cycle without TB3 riding USB-C can they? Not putting it on the iMac, ok, whatever, but the newly released MBP? So many other pc vendors with multiple USB-C/TB3 ports its embarrassing.
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Apple can't really go another cycle without TB3 riding USB-C can they? Not putting it on the iMac, ok, whatever, but the newly released MBP? So many other pc vendors with multiple USB-C/TB3 ports its embarrassing.
I agree. Which is why I'm pretty positive there will be a redesign. If it's June, so be it. But it's happening.
For what it's worth, I think iMac will get redesigned, even if slightly so that they can have new ports too.
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Aye! There is another programmer out there. Would be awesome to have XCode and other IDEs on iPad. Though, I don't think arm can compile for arm. I could be wrong though.
I am down to take a bet. Or perhaps a nitrous baloon?
Just kiddingSure, thunderbolt was a replacement for firewire, but firewire was/is a replacement for USB 1.0/2.0 But it didn't become mainstream therefore smart for apple to keep usb ports.
Thunderbolt is a replacement for USB. sure the connectors were/are different. but usbc is also a different connector to usbA.
Apple is moving faster than comfortable on the MacBook, for many reasons, one being that they still have the MacBook Pro that is more comfortable for their buyers and users that still needs USBA.
I am a betting man, I am not sure if betting is actually, allowed here. but if some neutral moderator wants to collect money from us. I will paypal.
Guys don't get too exited please.
It's not going to be a big redesign; most likely:
-same chassis, slightly thinner and lighter
-color options
-same screen sizes
-same ports, except TB2 replaced with TB3/USB-C, still 2 USB-A ports, MagSafe 2, headphone/mic jack, and Hdmi (if we are lucky we might get hdmi 2.0)
-processor update to Skylake/ 15" gets AMD Polaris GPU
-claim of all day battery life for the rMBP
And that's it.
No redesign, no port cutting.
Redesign with full USB-C is probably coming with the late 2016 ones.
Apple never delivers every new thing in one iteration. They are going to upgrade it little by little, so the consumers get the feeling of at least some upgrades made to the products.
Haven't you learned anything in all those years!
If the Chassis slightly thinner and lighter, than that means it is a redesign.
If the ports are changed, it means there has been a redesign.
Doubt it. The retina iMac can barely handle the current components. I guess you could reduce the bezels, but that's pretty much it.
Personally I don't see any reason why they can't just replace the thunderbolt ports on the current rMBP with USB-C and keep the rest of the ports the same. You serve the same purpose without crippling the ports and you get to keep battery life and less throttling by keeping the current chassis.
Anyway it can absolutely be June the release.
Relax, guys.
Or instead, get excited for Polaris.
I don't see enough excitement for it.
Why?
Polaris is going to be great!
...No, no it wasn't. I have no idea why you're saying this. Apple developed Firewire to replace SCSI and to create a high-speed A/V connector. It was designed from the get-go for a different market (Firewire = pro, USB = consumer) hence why USB showed up on the iMac first, FW on the PowerMac first.
People have constantly spouted this nonsensical "Firewire 400 lost/Firewire 800 lost/Thunderbolt lost" attitude in comparison to USB for years and it just shows that they never stepped into a television studio or post house. eSATA never got picked up like USB, that didn't mean it failed. They were designed for completely separate use cases—for the people who didn't mind paying a bit more for more speed at the time.
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https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2016-nmp.1952250/page-21#post-22610342 Are you sure it is worth it?
I genuinely suggest educating yourself about Polaris and Pascal. All of people who are reading this.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2462951
This is a great thread for starters. Pay attention to posts from Zlatan and Mahigan. Zlatan is PS4 game developer, and Mahigan brought a lot of understanding on the matter.
All I want is a space gray mbp with Skylake. I don't give a damn about a redesign
haha. Honestly, that would make a lot of people really happy. I do think it needs TB3 too.
I knew you were going to say this. You are right, it has always been firewire/thunderbolt for pro / studio and usb for consumer. Though firewire was always everything USB could do and better. but always proprietary.
note: I did not say firewire/thuderbolt lost
So I guess I will agree with you that, firewire/thunderbolt was/is not a replacement for USB. but now they have merged. so now we have TB/USBC all in port for both pros and consumers.
But the point I was making, was that if a laptop already has the pro/ more expensive port. then it would not need the slower cheaper usb port. But Apple decided to keep USB ports for legacy, and compatibility with devices and the rest of the world.
which they will for do they same, when they have ucbc/tb ports they will keep usba ports for legacy
No reason you can't compile ARM code on an ARM cpu; it's often not done for performance reasons. The compiler that Xcode uses already supports compilation on ARM, and even compiling itself on ARM.
No, it's not.
We do not need 40 Gbps bandwidth for keyboards and mice!
What?! Yes it is.
dude you just proved my point even more so.
The picture you posted shows, that thunderbolt replaces usb.
Also we did not need 480 Mb/s 5Gb/s 10G/bs for keyboards and mice.... yet usb mice and keyboards are the most common and mainstream
https://thunderbolttechnology.net/tech/faq
You say it as if USB will cease to exist. That's not what you're saying though is it?
I am saying long-term in 5 years or so, USB will cease to exist. It will just be wireless technologies and USB-C/Thunderbolt.
I think Apple won't add any USB 3 port to the new macbook.
They are always radical about that.
Think about the last time they did such a thing: removing the DVD drive…people were very upset about that. But in the end I never needed a DVD drive.
That's probably the same with USB: I never use my USB ports, except for connecting my iPhone to my Macbook for debugging purposes in Xcode.
But that'd be also possible with a USBC - Lightning cable.
I guess they'll be adding 3 or 4 USBC/Thunberolt 3 ports, a headphone jack and magsafe. That's it. Nothing more.
They are always radical about that.
Think about the last time they did such a thing: removing the DVD drive…people were very upset about that. But in the end I never needed a DVD drive.
That's probably the same with USB: I never use my USB ports, except for connecting my iPhone to my Macbook for debugging purposes in Xcode.
But that'd be also possible with a USBC - Lightning cable.
I guess they'll be adding 3 or 4 USBC/Thunberolt 3 ports, a headphone jack and magsafe. That's it. Nothing more.
We might hate it but, third parties are salivating at this potential to sell a bajillion docks to MBP owners who need basic functionality restored, I just hope they actually WORK. If apple only includes two USB-C ports those will be soaked up by a monitor and ethernet.
It will be more like 2 USB-C/TB3, 1 or 2 USBA.
Maybe magsafe maybe not,
And yea headphone jack
I can see that happening. So pretty much keep the same laptop minus SD and HDMI ports.
Tell me about it. I'm dreading the thought of them going that route on the iPhone. I switch my headset between my laptop/phone all the time while I'm working (as I switch between calls on my phone and conference calls on my laptop). Having bluetooth will significantly slow things down as I re-pair the headset between the two devices.
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