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First Iris Pro 580 product available (thanks to Rngwn @ AnandTech):

Deggendorf, Germany, 23 February 2016 * * * congatec, a leading technology company for embedded computer modules, single board computers (SBCs) and embedded design & manufacturing (EDM) services, has added a particularly powerful graphics version to its COM Express Basic Server-on-Module portfolio. The new module features the Intel® Xeon® Processor E3-1515M v5, fast DDR4 memory and Intel® Iris™ Pro graphics. The GPU of the new SoC module provides 128 MB eDRAM and with 72 execution units it has three times more parallel execution power than the Skylake architecture without Iris graphics. Developers of tightly packed COM Express based system designs now have access to a new performance class that would have previously required a dedicated graphics unit.
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Look at this beauty, Skylake-H 4C/8T GT4e + 128MB eDRAM (at the top):

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Measured at ~a bit over ~210mm², 219.4mm².
 
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Dydegu said:
Here's a rundown of Intel processor launch dates and the subsequent rMBP launch with those chips:

Jan Feb Mar | Apr May June | Jul Aug Sep | Oct Nov Dec
  1. Original - Ivy Bridge 15": Q2'12, June 11th, 2012 (last month in launch quarter)
  2. Original - Ivy Bridge 13": Q2'12, October 23rd, 2012 (first month, two quarters later)
  3. Update 1 - faster Ivy Bridge 15": Q3'12, February 13th, 2013 (second month, two quarters later)
  4. Update 1 - faster Ivy Bridge 13": Q1'13, February 13th, 2013 (second month in launch quarter)
  5. Update 2 - Haswell 15": Q3'13, October 22nd, 2013 (first month, one quarter later)
  6. Update 2 - Haswell 13": Q3'13, October 22nd, 2013 (first month, one quarter later)
  7. Update 3 - faster Haswell 15": Q3'14, July 29th, 2014 (first month in launch quarter)
  8. Update 3 - faster Haswell 13": Q3'14, July 29th, 2014 (first month in launch quarter)
  9. Update 4 - Broadwell 13": Q1'15, March 29th, 2015 (third month in launch quarter)
  10. Update 4 - same Haswell 15": Q3'14, May 19th, 2015 (not applicable)
  11. Update 5 - Skylake 15": Q1'16, March release: third month in launch quarter | June release: third month, one quarter later
  12. Update 5 - Skylake 13": Q3'15, March release: third month, two quarters later | June release: third month, three quarters later
This is based on what Intel says on ARK, so I know launch quarter is still an estimation compared to actual releases in machines. You can see Apple is relatively quick to adopt new processors, hitting the launch quarter, or very close to it, almost every time. Given these trends, the 15" could come in March or June. The 13" is definitely late given its history, but I'm not sure Q3'15 is entirely accurate for the launch of those Skylake chips.

Edit: I pulled the launch quarters from ARK. I used the entry level chip for each machine to gather the information.
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Mattsasa said:
Those Intel launch times are not accurate at all. And does not shed much information. For example: Q3'15 for skylake. Many skylake chips are still not available/released.
Some skylake chips will not be available until Q4'16 or Q1'17
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-> i did this accurately ages ago

AYNOM said:
January 2011 - 2635QM - 2820QM
Early 2011 - February 24, 2011

September/October 2011 - 2675QM - 2860QM ***Sandy Bridge mid-cycle bump
Late 2011 - October 24, 2011

April 2012 - 3615QM - 3720QM
Mid 2012 MBP - June 11, 2012.


September 2012 - 3630QM - 3840QM ***Ivy Bridge mid-cycle bump
Early 2013 MBP - February 13, 2013

June 2013 - 4750HQ - 4950HQ
Late 2013 MBP - October 23, 2013

July 2014 - 4770HQ 4870HQ ***Haswell mid-cycle bump***
Mid 2014 MBP - July 29, 2014


This is in regards to the 15"/17"(before discontinuation) and there's obviously release date overlap with the 13"

2015 not consideed because it uses the same processor as Mid 2014 and same architecture as late 2013.

If you were to take the 13" and less broadwell into consideration, that's September 2014 for processor release with a March 2015 MBP release.
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jsnuff1 said:
Sorry but it going to be june ;)

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-gpus-geforce-mobility-june-2016/

dGPUs lining up perfectly from both AMD and nvidia. Apple has been lagging on GPU front for years, and with recent VR stuff they can't anymore so my bets is they will do a flagship announcement with either AMD or nvidia for their next MBP.
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So many things up in the air currently.

Skip a dGPU and just utilize Skyake's Iris Pro or attempt to step-up their dGPU game with these new cutting-edge technologies recently surfacing? I wonder if Apple is as confused as us...
 
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Mattsasa said:
I am realizing pretty much everymac has potential to be updated in the near future.
MacBook yes, CPUs available
MacBook Air yes, CPUs available (I know most of us think this won't be updated anymore)
13" MacBook Pro yes, CPUs available
15" MacBook Pro, not quite, CPUs probably available real soon, and maybe waiting on GPUs
Mac Mini yes, CPUs available
21.5" iMac yes, CPUs available
27" No, Already Skylake
Mac Pro Yes but unlikely, Broadwell Xeons available, but they probably won't upgrade to Broadwell at this point. Skylake Xeons probably available at the end of the year
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This is the positive spirit I want to hear. Not crap that pewkis says.
 
pewkis said:
So many things up in the air currently.

Skip a dGPU and just utilize Skyake's Iris Pro or attempt to step-up their dGPU game with these new cutting-edge technologies recently surfacing? I wonder if Apple is as confused as us...
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Maybe 15" MBP released in March with iris pro only.

In June: dGPU (Polaris/Pascal) MBP released
 
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Isn't it pissing you off that you know that many people know whether or not there will be a skylake 13 in March, but that you, you don't know !! :(
How many people know would you say by the way ?
In the tens ? Hundreds ?
 
Arthur75 said:
Isn't it pissing you off that you know that many people know whether or not there will be a skylake 13 in March, but that you, you don't know !! :(
How many people know would you say by the way ?
In the tens ? Hundreds ?
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Probably less than a hundred... Though unless they have already been being manufactured and then maybe Chinese workers know too?
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Yulen Darlington said:
Some posts in Chinese forum feng.com said the invitation will be delivered in Mar. 10.
Let's wait and see.
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Would make sense, last year's March event was delivered on Thursday, 10 days prior
 
I think at this point the only way we get a new Macbook Pro in March is if there is no redesign except for Thunderbolt 3, hence no leaks. I will take Thunderbolt 3 and Iris Pro 580/P580.
 
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applepie555 said:
How would a skylake Iris Pro graphics rMBP compare to a GT750m rMBP or an AMD Radeon R9 M370X rMBP in terms of games?
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It's better! Significantly better.

I think Iris Pro 6200 was faster than a 750m

I have Iris 550 and it is just like 10% slower than the R9 M370X.

The Iris 580 will meet the performance of a 950M, I have already said this, but I would put money down that Iris 580 pro will run games better than the 950m. Especially with skull canyon coming out soon with Iris 580 that intel will market as a gaming device / steam machines. And then we will have mainstream games optimizing for Iris 580 chips
[doublepost=1457560657][/doublepost]I just watched the March 2015 event. There was:
*New MacBook Reveal
*Incremental MacBook Air update w/ Broadwell
*Incremental 13" MacBook Pro update w/ Broadwell + ForceTouch
15" no where to be seen.

So this March 2016 event:
*Incremental MacBook update w/ Skylake + TB3
**Potentially also 14" MacBook Reveal (Probably not at this point) :(
*Incremental MacBook Air update w/ Skylake + TB3
** Or no update to MacBook Air
*New 13" MacBook Pro reveal
** Or 13" MacBook Pro incremental upgrade w/ Skylake + TB3
***Or no update to 13" MacBook Pro
*New 15" MacBook Pro reveal
** Or 15" MacBook Pro incremental upgrade w/ Skylake + TB3 + Iris Pro
***Or no update to 15" MacBook Pro

I would also like to see Mac mini updates and 21.5" iMac updates, but I don' think that is happening.

As you can see I am really hoping for a Mac event. But in reality this is an iPhone/iPad event :(
 
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Maybe watching the 2012 might make you feel better MacBook wise.

Is this right AYNOM? Time from release to announcement/release in a Mac

Early 2011 - 1 month after CPU released
Late 2011 - 1 month
Mid 2012 - 2 months
Early 2013 - 5 months ***Ivy Bridge mid-cycle bump
Late 2013 - 4 months
Mid 2014 - Same month ***Haswell mid-cycle bump***

If it was 3-4 months, then they'd announce at WWDC, surely, so if it's announced in March, it's likely to release prior to WWDC.
 
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Mattsasa said:
As you can see I am really hoping for a Mac event. But in reality this is an iPhone/iPad event :(
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It can be both. Last year was new products in :apple:watch and MacBook as well as MacBook airs and 13" MacBook Pro. As far as design changes didn't they add force touch with out anyone knowing prior?
 
Adam620 said:
It can be both. Last year was new products in :apple:watch and MacBook as well as MacBook airs and 13" MacBook Pro. As far as design changes didn't they add force touch with out anyone knowing prior?
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There were rumors circulating of Apple adding pressure sensitive trackpad to the macbook pros.
However, there were no leaks as far as I am aware for any of the macbooks
 
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TechZeke said:
I'd say the the rMBP has aged quite well.

To be honest, I'm not sure what the re-design lovers expect. Beyond maybe the Surface Book, I haven't seen anything creative outside the your so called "Apple Bubble". Even still, the Surface Book takes a lot of design cues from the current rMBP. Razor's Machines are literally just MacBooks with a black finish. The XPS only looks different from the carbon fiber and it's bezels, which don't wow me too much such since they had to compromise the bottom bezel and webcam placement. If the XPS 15 was unibody, it'd look exactly like a rMBP.

Heck, the 12" MB is just a thinner, retina Macbook Air in fancy colors. There's really only so much you can do to rectangular piece of aluminum.
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Honestly, the option for Space Gray (or gold) anodizing like the 12" rMB on the MacBook Pro models is nearly enough of a redesign for me save for new hardware inside.
 
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Mattsasa said:
It's better! Significantly better.

I think Iris Pro 6200 was faster than a 750m

I have Iris 550 and it is just like 10% slower than the R9 M370X.

The Iris 580 will meet the performance of a 950M, I have already said this, but I would put money down that Iris 580 pro will run games better than the 950m. Especially with skull canyon coming out soon with Iris 580 that intel will market as a gaming device / steam machines. And then we will have mainstream games optimizing for Iris 580 chips
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Wouldn't the CPU be limited to 45 watts limiting both the graphics and the CPU, while separate CPUs and GPUs get 45 watts each?
 
TechZeke said:
I'd say the the rMBP has aged quite well.

To be honest, I'm not sure what the re-design lovers expect. Beyond maybe the Surface Book, I haven't seen anything creative outside the your so called "Apple Bubble". Even still, the Surface Book takes a lot of design cues from the current rMBP. Razor's Machines are literally just MacBooks with a black finish. The XPS only looks different from the carbon fiber and it's bezels, which don't wow me too much such since they had to compromise the bottom bezel and webcam placement. If the XPS 15 was unibody, it'd look exactly like a rMBP.

Heck, the 12" MB is just a thinner, retina Macbook Air in fancy colors. There's really only so much you can do to rectangular piece of aluminum.
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Redesign lover here.
Thinner is a huge part of it. I am a huge lover of the MacBook Pro. I use one everyday. But Honestly, every time I use it I cringe because it is so thick. Call me crazy. And I know its pointless to wish for a magical device that is paper thin had tons of battery and tons of features and performance. But I know that it can be thinner, there are other notebooks with 28W Cpus that are thinner and still have sufficient battey life. Also it has been 4 years since the last redesign so Apple must have more tricks to cooling devices batter and optimizing battery.

Honestly, if Apple slapped a skylake CPU, forcetouch, new retina Display in the MacBook Air, even if its only like 2304x1440. I would hugely HUGELY prefer that machine to the MacBook Pro. I would never get the Macbook air as my primary now because that old screen is a deal breaker. I understand that it is a good chance Apple will never update the MacBook Air anymore.

Or if you made the rMacBook slightly thicker enough to add a 15W CPU and fan, and then a USB-A port, that would be my notebook of choice.

In reality, I know whenever the next MBP redesign is, it won't be able to get very much thinner if they choose to keep same processors, and not too sacrifice battery.

And then finally color options are big for me as well. Even though they don't affect performance a space grey MBP would be so cool to me, I also like gold too.

And yea, smaller bezels would be awesome too.


applepie555 said:
Wouldn't the CPU be limited to 45 watts limiting both the graphics and the CPU, while separate CPUs and GPUs get 45 watts each?
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Yes that is correct. the 950M actually uses just over 50W I heard.

Therefore makes sense to use Iris Pro, because same or better performance. And much less power consumption, and heat, and size.

However, if Apple was to wait for Polaris/Pascal. Then it would make sense to use those, since they will have even faster performance and DX12 support
 
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