Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
TRDGT4Writer said:
• 1) It's off the shelf now and it's been declared EOL which is very sad because it was both easy yet professional to use.

• 2a) Hmm, yes and no. They're adding features but you have to update your OSX in order to get the latest updates which I think is unfair, unjust, and a pain in the ass especially FCPXs system requirements hasn't changed since it debuted: Intel Core2Duo or faster CPU, 256MB VRAM, and 4GB RAM. Basically, 2008 laptop computer specs. In my opinion, Apple is happy in "ProSumer land" as they discontinued the best laptop editors loved...the Late 2011 1200p Antiglare 17" Macbook Pro is evident of that even though the AMD 6770 dGPU scared them but they still used it because it had 3 USB ports.

Apple had a great thing going but when they released X, they shot FCP7 and let it bleed slowly until it died from internal bleeding. There was nothing wrong with FCP7 except the fact it was based on 32-bit architecture and you had to convert to ProRes every single time, otherwise it wouldn't be efficient. Although most cinema cameras already had ProRes as a preset so it didn't matter. 1080p which FCP7 can only accept, is now considered outdated since Premiere Pro CC can work with 6K RAW files and GoneGirl is proof of that.


• 2b) Interesting question. Only two major movies were edited in FCPX: Focus and Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. However that's comparing to over 1000 movies that were edited in Avid and few in Adobe Premiere Pro...for now. When the editors first heard of Final Cut Pro X, they immediately switched back to Avid and Avid was back in the game. However, this opened a door for Adobe with the help of legendary editor Walter Murch when they (Adobe) were developing CS6. Walter Murch used Final Cut Pro 7 and Avid Media Composer before so he was familiar with how it should feel.

The main reason that FCPX was developed was to use tapeless deliveries which is funny because modern professional NLEs including freeware ones use tapeless deliveries but Avid, Adobe, and Sony both use D/A (digital/analog) capturing. Kodak film is still used in the "Big 6" studios: Paramount, Warner Bros, Universal, 20th Century FOX, Walt Disney, and Sony Pictures.

I think editors have mixed feelings about Final Cut Pro X, but most of them would agree it's a disaster. Avid editors would agree that Avid is clunky and there's still a long waiting list for feature requests, but it soars in big productions. Premiere Pro is getting noticed in both shortfilms and 2.5 hr Hollywood films (however, Avid can do both short and long form media based projects just fine). Premiere Pro is what Final Cut Pro 8 would've if it had survived. The professional group are still pissed that Adobe dropped the perpetual license (Buy It Now price) and only offering subscription based services. If you don't use the Creative Cloud for a long period of time after 30 days or you missed a payment 30 days later, it acted like a LoJack until you pay.

The majority of editors have lost faith with Apple because it no longer caters to the professional market like they used to which helped Apple's popularity. There's still a small market for FCPX but not much to shift Apple into the professional market once again. However one can say that Apple's popularity had nothing to do with professionalism but had to do with the fact people loved the brand itself plus the fact as you guessed it...usability, integration, aesthetic and the new Productivity 2.0 or should I say Productivity 3.0.

If Final Cut Pro 8 survived and if Final Cut Pro 9 was in development, it would've been a hybrid of both Avid and Adobe by now. However, that would be speculation since editors would have different sides of the story of the coulda, woulda, and shoulda.


I'm sorry if this was a super long explanation but I tried my best not to leave anything out. My opinion was based upon other editors I work with and it was modified using my own thinking...
Click to expand...

Super awesome post man. Thanks for the info and for sharing.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TRDGT4Writer
killawat said:
Monday prediction: Apple Watch Bands and new iPads.

One More Thing announcement: Apple Macintosh division sold off to Dell, Dell refreshes current SKUs to "Mid 2016" versions without changing specs, price increase to 2x MSRP, $15 dollar starbucks gc included with every Mac purchase.

Half kidding. Sticking to my "Haswell for Skylake" theory.
Click to expand...

I know you were kidding but that would be the death of PCs. I don't know what it is about dell but they just don't get it right -_-
 
ssong said:
I know you were kidding but that would be the death of PCs. I don't know what it is about dell but they just don't get it right -_-
Click to expand...

It will be a shame if Apple doesn't update the Mac line with Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C. Nearly all big competitors have done it. Thunderbolt was a technology with was introduced by Apple, and now Dell and Microsoft do it earlier? :-(
 
  • Like
Reactions: pewkis, miduga and Arthur75
A bit of drama since we've been following the Razer Core. That puppy is apparently, sold out for pre-orders. Blade/Blade Stealth owners are all kinds of pissed off on the Razer forums. I mean, I knew it would be hot, but not this hot. Razer CEO is on the board replying, not to the complaints about lack of stock, but to complaints about price. Response? Deal with it, we're the first, we're the best.


Imagine the drama if Apple introduces Core compatible Macs. Wow. Not sure if I want to deal with them anymore.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SwiftBunny and sim888
killawat said:
...Imagine the drama if Apple introduces Core compatible Macs. Wow. Not sure if I want to deal with them anymore.
Click to expand...

That would be pretty funny if an eGPU was their 'One More Thing....'

Yeah Timmy, i'll beef up your crapolla new but actually old MBP with you fancy new iGrafix thingo.
 
killawat said:
A bit of drama since we've been following the Razer Core. That puppy is apparently, sold out for pre-orders. Blade/Blade Stealth owners are all kinds of pissed off on the Razer forums. I mean, I knew it would be hot, but not this hot. Razer CEO is on the board replying, not to the complaints about lack of stock, but to complaints about price. Response? Deal with it, we're the first, we're the best.


Imagine the drama if Apple introduces Core compatible Macs. Wow. Not sure if I want to deal with them anymore.
Click to expand...

I think all that Apple's done is teach others a lesson in two things.

1. Build better quality computers (XPS, Surface, Spectre, etc.)
2. Treat customers as if you're the king. (Although on this front I think everyone gets a prize for being the best d-bag)

I mean the geniuses are more helpful than not (I still can't get comfortable calling them geniuses), but the corporate attitude has been a hit and miss imo. Most people I think we're willing to put up with it because Apple made great products but now that the playing field is evening up, the Apple attitude starts to wear off.
 
The funny thing about announcing only a eGPU nwo it's that it will only work with the rMB12 lol

I can see that happening, but once they've sold enough macbook, mabook pro, mac mini and iMacs with TB3.

A eGPU with polaris in a small form factor (mobile) for all of us will be great! But they will have to rip off the dGPU on macbook pro and iMac if they want to increase sales without cannibalize themselves.
 
apple.jpg
 
  • Like
Reactions: TRDGT4Writer, Rob_2811, WRONG and 7 others
Thought:

Just assume that apple drops the dGpu from MBP's and relies totally on iGPU, then what they are gonna sell at 2500$?

option 1: in 2000$ model we won't get iris pro 580.
option 2: no model worth 2500$.
 
prabal.malhan said:
Thought:

Just assume that apple drops the dGpu from MBP's and relies totally on iGPU, then what they are gonna sell at 2500$?

option 1: in 2000$ model we won't get iris pro 580.
option 2: no model worth 2500$.
Click to expand...

DDR4 for top model? Should make a difference in battery and iGPU performance.
 
I have a feeling these updates won't be what we are expecting whenever they do come out.

The iMac 27" has a Skylake processor but no USB-C or TB3 ports at all... Why?

I've got a bad feeling about this. :/ I don't think we will expect what is coming. And it will most definitely have cues from the 12-inch MacBook..

If Siri is going to be a selling feature in the next version of OSX, then we need a front-facing microphone.
 
mjs402 said:
I have a feeling these updates won't be what we are expecting whenever they do come out.

The iMac 27" has a Skylake processor but no USB-C or TB3 ports at all... Why?

I've got a bad feeling about this. :/ I don't think we will expect what is coming. And it will most definitely have cues from the 12-inch MacBook..

If Siri is going to be a selling feature in the next version of OSX, then we need a front-facing microphone.
Click to expand...

Because they are probably waiting for a redesign using Kaby Lake (TB3 and 5k natively supported = bring back target display) they don't even bother in using DDR4 :S

prabal.malhan said:
is it really worth 500$(just asking idk much about DDR4),I believe there will be meager gains in battery life and GPU performance.
Click to expand...

In my opinion it won't be worth it, unless the 2000$ version is i7-6770HQ and the 2500$ version is Xenon processor and DDR4 ECC
 
It seems that a lot of people here believe the new MacBook Pro will be announced at the Apple's upcoming event on next Monday, but I don't know why.

Any clue to this? I can't find any articles or rumors.
 
  • Like
Reactions: t0mat0
ArcticBlue00 said:
It seems that a lot of people here believe the new MacBook Pro will be announced at the Apple's upcoming event on next Monday, but I don't know why.

Any clue to this? I can't find any articles or rumors.
Click to expand...
Due to the way overdue update. Last update was 306 days ago, and even longer for the 15 inch model. CPU's are available, so why not? Also, I think a lot of people are hoping for a new one and convincing other people that it'll come, to make sure they believe it themselves.
I hope to see new ones too, been waiting for a while now.
 
  • Like
Reactions: nicovh and mjs402
ArcticBlue00 said:
It seems that a lot of people here believe the new MacBook Pro will be announced at the Apple's upcoming event on next Monday, but I don't know why.

Any clue to this? I can't find any articles or rumors.
Click to expand...

Quite a lot of folks here are desperately waiting for the new rMBP to arrive.
I myself have a 2008 MBP with a broken screen and would love to see some skylake tomorrow
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dutchdude99
After depressed for 3 days
I finally accept the fact that I'll take the 2015 version if nothing happens tomorrow
But yeah, I'll wait till the last minute, together with you guys

Still feel great to be here
Honestly, this thread is the only good thing happened to me during this long waiting
It's you guys that make this crazy waiting actually mean something
Thank you all

Glad to have shared rumors from another country in another language
But we all know, rumors all rumors, they hit and miss
Hope they don't bother you too much

See you tomorrow with the event.
 
  • Like
Reactions: WRONG, sim888 and Jj237
ArcticBlue00 said:
It seems that a lot of people here believe are hoping that the new MacBook Pro will be announced at the Apple's upcoming event on next Monday, but I don't know why.

Any clue to this? I can't find any articles or rumors.
Click to expand...

We don't need a reason to hope. We want to believe. :apple:
 
Yulen Darlington said:
After depressed for 3 days
I finally accept the fact that I'll take the 2015 version if nothing happens tomorrow
But yeah, I'll wait till the last minute, together with you guys

Still feel great to be here
Honestly, this thread is the only good thing happened to me during this long waiting
It's you guys that make this crazy waiting actually mean something
Thank you all

Glad to have shared rumors from another country in another language
But we all know, rumors all rumors, they hit and miss
Hope they don't bother you too much

See you tomorrow with the event.
Click to expand...

I try to convince myself to get the 2015 version if nothing new is announced tomorrow, because i really want a mac, but paying €1649 for old specs seems a waste. However, it'll be fast enough for me, it's just the idea of outdated specs.
If only Apple would just announce new Macs tomorrow.:)

By the way, how are you guys following the event tomorrow? I'll have the livestream open, theverge liveblog, macrumors and twitter. May need an extra display :D
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kuro-sawa
Dutchdude99 said:
I try to convince myself to get the 2015 version if nothing new is announced tomorrow, because i really want a mac, but paying €1649 for old specs seems a waste. However, it'll be fast enough for me, it's just the idea of outdated specs.
If only Apple would just announce new Macs tomorrow.:)

By the way, how are you guys following the event tomorrow? I'll have the livestream open, theverge liveblog, macrumors and twitter. May need an extra display :D
Click to expand...

I usually watch the live stream on my iPad but this time I'll try the new App on my Apple TV 4.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back