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I am going to wine and dine the f out of the new rMBP pro when its released. It's gonna get dirty...
(From typing so heavily it'll become submurged in finger sweat.)
(From typing so heavily it'll become submurged in finger sweat.)
At least the skylake 13" MBP will be able to drive a 5k display (such as the dell 27") over TB3, right ?
Whereas the current one can only do 4k
This is a key reason for me to wait, as I use my MBP (current one 15" mid 2010) a lot closed with a desktop display, and I want to go over to 5k (or at least 4 but having the possibility to go further)
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So we've gone from "oft-repeated" (which is untrue) to "omnipotent Apple" (which I didn't say). What's next?
You are looking for things that aren't there. Are you into conspiracy theories too? For there's a whole corner of the internet devoted to every one of your false beliefs.
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Yes. Without the need for a separate, power-hungry lump of silicon.
I can't wait!
You're welcome, it's such a shame that Apple only cares about their share/stockholders and not the buyers.
I remember when Apple products used to be cool to have except you had to deal with expensive Apple-approved parts.
"If you want to be in the entertainment industry, use a PC. If you're going to do basic crap, then use a Mac". A quote from my friend who loves both PC and Mac. I agree with her.
No amount of pressure from Apple will solve fundamental physics problems related to mass production of 14nm semiconductors.
got the xps 15 9550 4k touch, 54mwh battery
made some Hardware updates (had some pieces lying arount): sm951 500gb pcie ssd, samsung 850 evo 2tb ssd, intel 8260 wifi/bluetooth module (a new one)
updated to the new 1.2 bios
f2 during boot, swithed to ahci mode, disabled the second ssd
installed windows 10 Pro in uefi mod on the m.2 sm951
installed intel drivers for the 8260 card wifi/bluetooth
let Windows 10 update itself - that installed all the driver needed
installed ms office, java ( dont forget the path ... ) sublime text 3
enabled the second ssd, for backup and storage
system is fast, responsible and the touch pad is on-par to the macbook pro retina 15" late 2013
ssd is faster, touching the screen is a lot of fun, sometimes the vents turn on == disturbing but not as much as on my 15" Retina mac book pro late 2013, batterie time I dont know but I optimezed the Power options -
if I keep the machine there are some options for the future
external power companion
larger batterie and evo ssd to external thunderbolt casing
dell TB15 thunderbolt dock
32gb memory
new sm961 ssd
thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt adapter
Club 3D 4k 60 Hz usb-c to hdmi 2.0 adapter works as advertised
made some Hardware updates (had some pieces lying arount): sm951 500gb pcie ssd, samsung 850 evo 2tb ssd, intel 8260 wifi/bluetooth module (a new one)
updated to the new 1.2 bios
f2 during boot, swithed to ahci mode, disabled the second ssd
installed windows 10 Pro in uefi mod on the m.2 sm951
installed intel drivers for the 8260 card wifi/bluetooth
let Windows 10 update itself - that installed all the driver needed
installed ms office, java ( dont forget the path ... ) sublime text 3
enabled the second ssd, for backup and storage
system is fast, responsible and the touch pad is on-par to the macbook pro retina 15" late 2013
ssd is faster, touching the screen is a lot of fun, sometimes the vents turn on == disturbing but not as much as on my 15" Retina mac book pro late 2013, batterie time I dont know but I optimezed the Power options -
if I keep the machine there are some options for the future
external power companion
larger batterie and evo ssd to external thunderbolt casing
dell TB15 thunderbolt dock
32gb memory
new sm961 ssd
thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt adapter
Club 3D 4k 60 Hz usb-c to hdmi 2.0 adapter works as advertised
My rMBP is finally out of the shop yes. They replaced the logic board, I hope they put skylake in it by accident.
I think I agree that a lineup similar to that of the iPads is getting more likely, so that we may see two non-Pro models and two Pro models in the end, with sizes meeting in the middle. That would mean
MB 12"
MB 14"
MBP 14"
MBP 16"
I'd guess the non-retina MBP will finally be dropped and the Macbook Airs will take its place as the legacy/entry level products. Once the rMBs (and the Core M architecture) have caught up in terms of speed and price they will replace the Airs altogether, but the phase out may take a good two to three years.
I really hope the new lineup could be achieved by just reducing bezel size:
- the 14" MBP machines could get a 1440x900 @2x resolution (like on the current 15")
- the 16" MBP machines could get a 1680x1050 @2x resolution (like the old HiRes 15" MBP, as a retina).
- the 12" MB with its strange default scaling (1280x800 @1.8x) will probably not see any changes yet.
- the 14" MB is where I'm wondering if a Skylake Core M could power a 1440x900 @1.8x ?
On the MBP side, I really hope they take some cues from the iPad and move to the same anti reflective screen coating - the reflections on the current models can really be really exhausting on the eyes and they drain the battery because people tend to crank up the brightness to mitigate the effect. We'll see I guess.
MB 12"
MB 14"
MBP 14"
MBP 16"
I'd guess the non-retina MBP will finally be dropped and the Macbook Airs will take its place as the legacy/entry level products. Once the rMBs (and the Core M architecture) have caught up in terms of speed and price they will replace the Airs altogether, but the phase out may take a good two to three years.
I really hope the new lineup could be achieved by just reducing bezel size:
- the 14" MBP machines could get a 1440x900 @2x resolution (like on the current 15")
- the 16" MBP machines could get a 1680x1050 @2x resolution (like the old HiRes 15" MBP, as a retina).
- the 12" MB with its strange default scaling (1280x800 @1.8x) will probably not see any changes yet.
- the 14" MB is where I'm wondering if a Skylake Core M could power a 1440x900 @1.8x ?
On the MBP side, I really hope they take some cues from the iPad and move to the same anti reflective screen coating - the reflections on the current models can really be really exhausting on the eyes and they drain the battery because people tend to crank up the brightness to mitigate the effect. We'll see I guess.
I am going to tell the truth I love my MB 12" I bought the other day. I really hope Apple does the same thinness for the 2016 rMBP's!
Another thing I really hope for is that they keep at least one classic USB 3.0 port - there are hundreds of thousands of different devices out there that rely on it, and having to carry around an adapter just to be able to plug in a flash drive at a colleague's desk would be super annoying. A lot more annoying actually than the whole display connector mess Apple has been through during the last ten years - I really hope they learned something from that.
I'm pretty sure the old USB connector will be ubiquitous for at least another 15 years because it is being used by peripherals that don't get replaced a lot, from expensive D/A Converters to musical instruments to medical and measuring equipment to computer peripherals to smartphone and camera connectors - well, pretty much every single electronic device out there these days. A missing classic USB 3.0 port on the MBP would probably be a deal breaker for me, unless I get a converter cable implanted somewhere so I'm sure to always have it around.
I'm pretty sure the old USB connector will be ubiquitous for at least another 15 years because it is being used by peripherals that don't get replaced a lot, from expensive D/A Converters to musical instruments to medical and measuring equipment to computer peripherals to smartphone and camera connectors - well, pretty much every single electronic device out there these days. A missing classic USB 3.0 port on the MBP would probably be a deal breaker for me, unless I get a converter cable implanted somewhere so I'm sure to always have it around.
The question is about how thin they make it. If they make it too thin they straight up don't have the room for a legacy USB 3 port. I wouldn't be surprised at all if its all usb-c. I expect the HDMI port to die as well for the same reason sadly
Yep. It makes the other models (in design) feel obsolete for sure. I really prefer the keyboard on this thing over the squishy rMBP keyboard. The profile of this thing is also very neat. The problem comes in how they are going to design this thing without sacrificing power for the Pro line (I don't mean dGPUs either, you can kiss those goodbye).
The question is about how thin they make it. If they make it too thin they straight up don't have the room for a legacy USB 3 port. I wouldn't be surprised at all if its all usb-c. I expect the HDMI port to die as well for the same reason sadly
I share your concerns, but they could still make it thinner by making it flat on the bottom. Or by going for a wedged design, like on the Air. Also the lid is a little thinner on the rMB I believe, where they got rid of the glowing apple.
I hated the glowing Apple logo, it to me was too showy. @mjs402 I think it would be cool if to pack in a little more power and make it a hair thicker.
Best thing could happen is Apple buying AMD (some rumours hint at that possibility, despite not being probable), now that Zen looks appealing. Why? (warning: vague personal and subjective impressions comming):
1. Apple would get rid of Intel dependency, but not in the sense of getting ARM Macs. That means anual updates with x86 CPUs on Macs, not this timing messed updates we are getting lastly (thanks Intel).
2. Intel would have to move his ass, now that there's a real competitor on the table. That means more improvements by Intel's side.
2. On Apple's side, we might see improvements on x86 CPUs due to custom designs, as they did with ARM.
1. Apple would get rid of Intel dependency, but not in the sense of getting ARM Macs. That means anual updates with x86 CPUs on Macs, not this timing messed updates we are getting lastly (thanks Intel).
2. Intel would have to move his ass, now that there's a real competitor on the table. That means more improvements by Intel's side.
2. On Apple's side, we might see improvements on x86 CPUs due to custom designs, as they did with ARM.
Ok, I think this is a valid question: you say moving to AMD would ensure annual updates, which assumes annual updates are even desirable.
Who really wants that? I mean, how many people honestly need a new computer every year, especially in 2016 when improvements are so marginally incremental across the board? Sure, there are tech addicts who buy a new MacBook or iPad every four months, but I would bet those people are extremely rare (maybe 200-300 in the world).
I plan to buy the next MBP, but I don't expect to replace it for 4-5 years. I know that's not a popular attitude in this forum (which unfortunately supports and enables tech addicts), but it's valid. Why should Apple cater to such a small minority of purchasers, those for whom yearly updates are useful?
I am with you brother, I only replace my laptop when apple replaces it for me for free through apple care. The first time it was a 2009 (3 times defective) Macbook and then a 2011 (also 3 times or more defective) Macbook Pro and then my current 2013 (has messed up about 5 or 6 times so far) Macbook Pro retina. So for me it's on average of about 2 and 1 half years until my laptops crap out and apple will replace it for me through my extended applecare plan/s. Technically they could have replaced my laptop today when I picked it up I pointed it out to them that it's been in for many repairs for my trackpad and they asked if I wanted a replacement I said no not yet, I'll give it another chance. I really meant let's hold off until 2016 skylake rMBP's.
2 and one more when skylake comes out. I always buy the extended 2 year extra Apple care plan. And the 2009 one I bought used from best buy for about 1,250 and now I have the 2013 rMBP 512gb. I'm mean I love my current one but the track pad keeps on messing up. They say when the battery which sits under it gets hot it expands and lifts up the track pad causing it to mess up. Cannot wait until skylake.
Eh, no. The world has moved on.
All you have to do is buy a dongle or a new cable. You will get many of the benefits of USB-C then.
+1.
Updates must not be annual. They must be predictable. That's it. Like with iPhone.
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