Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[Baldrake]

Nice, but what does
means?
There is really someone who needs a 13" Retina MacBook Air?

The MacBook Air still isn't retina. If you want a 13" ultra-portable from Apple today, you have to put up with a surprisingly poor display.

While I suspect it's just click-bait, this article actually makes some sense. In the iPad line, we now have just iPad and iPad Pro. Would make some sense to do the same with the MacBook line too.

 

[Oppenheim]

Kaby. Lake. Suitable. For. rMBP. Won't. Be. Ready. Until. 2017Q2. At. The. Very. Least.
Stawp it already.

It will be ready at the end of 2016 according to Wikipedia on Kaby Lake microachitecture.

If it's released before KabyLake, the MBP will have to be designed to take full advantage in the next iteration. Disappointing to release a Skylake when Dell have had one since 2015.

 

[PTLove]

So this delay was unexpected for me. I was going to buy a new MBP last Spring. I'm sorry I didn't now.

The longer this delay continues, the more I am beginning to think that Apple will release something entirely different.

Kaby Lake may now be a very real possibility? WWDC launch with machines shipping in Q3/Q4?

Kaby Lake is the perfect chip for the MBP with it's native USB-3.1 support, native 4k+ graphics support, HDCP2.2 and hardware decoding.

Apple need to lead. Releasing a me-too Skylake product a year after your competitors is not leading.

Kaby Lake is absolutely no where near releasing in any form other than the 15W and Core M versions. The Macbook Pro chips will not release for a year probably. Stop pushing the goal posts and accept this for what it is.

 

[Oppenheim]

The MacBook Air still isn't retina. If you want a 13" ultra-portable from Apple today, you have to put up with a surprisingly poor display.

While I suspect it's just click-bait, this article actually makes some sense. In the iPad line, we now have just iPad and iPad Pro. Would make some sense to do the same with the MacBook line too.

The product line looks like it needs a good streamlining...

12" & 14" MBs, 14" & 16" MBPs?

The iPad "Air" was dropped, right?

 

[NJPT]

It will be ready at the end of 2016 according to Wikipedia on Kaby Lake microachitecture.

Multiple people repeatedly have told you this extremely simple concept, and I honestly have no idea why you can't understand it:
1. Yes, SOME Kaby Lake chips are scheduled for release in 2016.
2. HOWEVER, Kaby Lake chips with GT3e/GT4e are not scheduled until 2017 at the earliest.
3. MBPs use chips with GT3e/GT4e.

 

[nicovh]

Multiple people repeatedly have told you this extremely simple concept, and I honestly have no idea why you can't understand it:
1. Yes, SOME Kaby Lake chips are scheduled for release in 2016.
2. HOWEVER, Kaby Lake chips with GT3e/GT4e are not scheduled until 2017 at the earliest.
3. MBPs use chips with GT3e/GT4e.

The amount of times this has been posted in this thread, crazy hahahaha

 

[j1104638]

It's even funnier that according to roadmap here http://wccftech.com/intel-14nm-kaby...16-256-mb-edram-hseries-91w-kseries-unveiled/ there will be no Kaby Lakes suitable for 15" rMBP. Apple will either have to drop eDRAM requirements or go up from 45W or drop quad-core rMBP.

@Oppenheim might have to wait until Cannonlake.

Shall we create a separate thread for him to wait patiently? What do you think?

 

[Baldrake]

The product line looks like it needs a good streamlining...

12" & 14" MBs, 14" & 16" MBPs?

Exactly, that's the idea.

Some people argue that the MBA has to stick around for a while, though, as the cheap entry point until the cost of the MB comes down.

The iPad "Air" was dropped, right?

The non-pro iPad is still called the Air. So they are still selling the iPad Air 2. But they have always had a cheaper iPad around for people who don't want to spend us much money.

 

[Oppenheim]

Multiple people repeatedly have told you this extremely simple concept, and I honestly have no idea why you can't understand it:
1. Yes, SOME Kaby Lake chips are scheduled for release in 2016.
2. HOWEVER, Kaby Lake chips with GT3e/GT4e are not scheduled until 2017 at the earliest.
3. MBPs use chips with GT3e/GT4e.

In your opinion.

Apple have the ability to pressure Intel. Apple could decide to start looking at more ARM if Intel don't bend over backwards for them.

Look, I think it's about a 10% or 20% probability that the next MBP will have Kaby Lake, but wouldn't it be amazing if Apple could pull it off and send their competitors scurrying for cover? If any company can do it, it would be Apple. Intel could also knock their reputation for delays on the head as they move away from tick-tock.

Anyway, realistically, I think Kaby Lake will very much be in designers' minds. The machine will be wired for Kaby Lake from the beginning. Design/video/image folks will love the hardware acceleration. Version 1 will have Skylake with Kaby Lake coming on-stream as soon as feasible.

 

[Serban]

Its clear the macbook air and the clasic mbp will be removed, but to do so they need a second macbook around 14" with second usb-c and the rest will be 2xMbp. So two dimensions macbook and two for mbp.
The mbp will be a redesign with only thunderbolt 3 ports and 3.5mm jack. They need to put the ipad pros display technology into them,like wider gamut,20%brighter and even low reflection, little lighter and thinner and we will get to the minimum point where a mbp can be. And add choice for colors and probably all metal design since the macbook its very ok for Bluetooth and wifi strength

 

[Oppenheim]

@Oppenheim might have to wait until Cannonlake.

Eh no. I just want the next uni-body design. Like now.

Not that fussed about the CPU to be honest. GPU? Couldn't care less. I'd prefer if they completely dropped the ugly external piece of silicon that eats battery and has dubious benefit compared to the Skylake microachitecture on its own.

I'll be first in line for a i5 Skylake with a RAM bump-up and a medium sized disk. I want thinner, more battery, no unnecessary ports (such as SD card slots, power slots, 3.5mm jacks, etc.) and a high quality screen with full color gamut and the ability to run at least one 5k display over USB-C.

That's about it really...

 

[Serban]

In your opinion.

Apple have the ability to pressure Intel. Apple could decide to start looking at more ARM if Intel don't bend over backwards for them.

Look, I think it's about a 10% or 20% probability that the next MBP will have Kaby Lake, but wouldn't it be amazing if Apple could pull it off and send their competitors scurrying for cover? If any company can do it, it would be Apple. Intel could also knock their reputation for delays on the head as they move away from tick-tock.

Anyway, realistically, I think Kaby Lake will very much be in designers' minds. The machine will be wired for Kaby Lake from the beginning. Design/video/image folks will love the hardware acceleration. Version 1 will have Skylake with Kaby Lake coming on-stream as soon as feasible.

Not a chance , if mbp hasn't been so delayed, especially the 15" maybe they could wait for later this year make pressure etc and maybe start with kaby lake. But IN THIS situation they really need a mac update this wwdc for all mbp,in my opinion even for the mac mini.

 

[PFKMan23]

In your opinion.

Apple have the ability to pressure Intel. Apple could decide to start looking at more ARM if Intel don't bend over backwards for them.

If Apple was this powerful, I think we would already have a Skylake MBP. Moreover if Apple was this powerful, maybe Apple would just acquire Intel.

 

[Vince89]

You guys may be disappointed if you are banking on the 45W CPUs to be in any of these laptops.

 

[Serban]

yes, if Apple will buy Intel, they will have a power mac in own house...but i don't think its possible. Maybe only if Intel wants that too.

 

[Exile714]

If Apple was this powerful, I think we would already have a Skylake MBP. Moreover if Apple was this powerful, maybe Apple would just acquire Intel.

And let's not forget that Intel isn't exactly in a position to speed up their processor development. In fact, they came out last week saying they're officially ending their tick-rock development cycle because Moore's Law has hit a wall versus physics. Oppenheim seems to think Apple can just whine enough and make Intel magically make new processors, and it's clear he doesn't understand the difference between high end Skylake and low end KabyLake processors.

Or more likely, he's just saying all these things because it gets a rise out of people and he's bored. It's the same thing he pulled when everyone started arguing about removing the 3.5mm audio port.

 

[PKBeam]

and why exactly might we be disappointed?

 

[NJPT]

In your opinion.

Apple have the ability to pressure Intel. Apple could decide to start looking at more ARM if Intel don't bend over backwards for them.

Look, I think it's about a 10% or 20% probability that the next MBP will have Kaby Lake, but wouldn't it be amazing if Apple could pull it off and send their competitors scurrying for cover? If any company can do it, it would be Apple. Intel could also knock their reputation for delays on the head as they move away from tick-tock.

I feel like I'm talking to a wall here. This is clearly not my opinion. As multiple posters keep on trying to tell you and show you with citations, this is based on leaked roadmaps, including Benchlife.

Source:
http://wccftech.com/intels-10nm-can...ies-q3-2016-kaby-lakes-desktop-chips-1h-2017/

You know what an opinion is? Thinking that Apple have the ability to force Intel to release chips several months in advance. Or thinking that Apple will look at ARM if Intel can't change the laws of physics.

If Apple had so much of your oft-repeated mythical power over Intel, then why in the world does the 15" MBP still have Haswell? If Apple had any significant pull at all, they could have pushed Intel for quad-core Broadwell chips for its May 19 update last year. Those chips were released on June 2, meaning Apple couldn't even get early availability for 14 lousy days.

 

[Oppenheim]

I feel like I'm talking to a wall here. This is clearly not my opinion. As multiple posters keep on trying to tell you and show you with citations, this is based on leaked roadmaps, including Benchlife.

Source:
http://wccftech.com/intels-10nm-can...ies-q3-2016-kaby-lakes-desktop-chips-1h-2017/

You know what an opinion is? Thinking that Apple have the ability to force Intel to release chips several months in advance. Or thinking that Apple will look at ARM if Intel can't change the laws of physics.

If Apple had so much of your oft-repeated mythical power over Intel, then why in the world does the 15" MBP still have Haswell? If Apple had any significant pull at all, they could have pushed Intel for quad-core Broadwell chips for its May 19 update last year. Those chips were released on June 2, meaning Apple couldn't even get early availability for 14 lousy days.

"oft-repeated"? By who?

You do realise you're in a thread about the MBP's microarchitecture?

 

[Serban]

Apple will make announce the WWDC this week or the next one.

 

[WRONG]

The MacBook Air still isn't retina. If you want a 13" ultra-portable from Apple today, you have to put up with a surprisingly poor display.

While I suspect it's just click-bait, this article actually makes some sense. In the iPad line, we now have just iPad and iPad Pro. Would make some sense to do the same with the MacBook line too.

Yeah I get your point, and also how Apple is probably going to get rid of the Air.
Still the thing that doesn't make sense to me is the "everyone is waiting for the Retina MacBook Air".
They're (also, "everyone" who?!) waiting for something that's already here. It's called MacBook. Or MacBook Pro, depending on the use.

 

[Mathias Denichi]

If there is no redesign, would the graphics upgrade on Skylake 550 or 540 even warrant much of an upgrade compared to the 6100 for the 13in?

I see it being a great improvement for the 5200 vs 580/p, but not so much for the 6100 vs 550/540 on the 13in. It's damn near identical give or take 3-5 fps on most games or programs.

I may be going crazy here only having an IPP as my only mobile laptopish currently. But if they don't do a redesign, I'm going to be kicking myself in the ass for not buying a 13in MBP now. 15in is pretty much a no go any more now that I have a monster pc workstation.

 

[Dutchdude99]

IF WWDC's tagline contains something hinting at a new mac (which I highly doubt) I will scream

 

[HighRes15]

In your opinion.

Apple have the ability to pressure Intel. Apple could decide to start looking at more ARM if Intel don't bend over backwards for them.

That Apple MBPs use GT3e/GT4e (and the corresponding top end chips before the GT* classification was used) is not opinion. It is fact. Every single unibody MBP generation, even the pre-Retina dGPU-only era, used the top end Intel chips, once available. In comparison, even Dell XPS uses midrange (GT2e) chips. Apple has never done so for MBPs.

Apple have always had the alleged ability to pressure Intel. But the result of that is a single exceptional product - the original MacBook Air. Apple had the ability to pressurize Intel to release a GT4e Broadwell earlier. They had the ability to pressure Intel to release a GT4e Skylake earlier, e.g. summer 2015 instead of spring 2016.

While rhetorical arguments are fine, historical examples or data make the argument stronger. The lack of them correspondingly weakens the argument.

 

[NJPT]

"oft-repeated"? By who?

You do realise you're in a thread about the MBP's microarchitecture?

Clearly, I'm saying that the idea of Apple having such tremendous power over Intel is "oft-repeated" by you. And yes, I'm very aware what this thread is about. I'm not accusing you of being off-topic on this. I'm saying you're being stubbornly and illogically committed to an idea that has very little to no substantiation in reality.

As HighRes15 just posted, in recent memory, Apple has had special treatment from Intel exactly one time: with the custom Core 2 Duo Merom chips for the original MBA. You have been repeatedly unable to provide any evidence for your fanatical devotion to your "omnipotent Apple" argument. But at this point, it's become painfully obvious that you enjoy making unfounded arguments/statements in spite of evidence, not because of it; any further discussion on this with you is a waste of time for me and everyone else.