Of course a new model is coming oit this year...thats why Im here. Im just saying that if youre machines holding up well...and can last another year...it would be smarter to wait till the second update in 2017.
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Of course a new model is coming oit this year...thats why Im here. Im just saying that if youre machines holding up well...and can last another year...it would be smarter to wait till the second update in 2017.
Silly is to wait for iris pro which still lagging behind old 960m. And for people who buys macbook without dgpu gpu power is not important.
Care to share a benchmark score or gpu comparison? Remember we're talking Iris Pro P550/580, not the graphics chips on lower end Skylake processors.
I need a good gpu for more responsive Photoshop and maybe some light gaming. I might not need a dGPU if the P580 is powerful enough for my needs, but I would have needed one in the previous generations.
And what, exactly, do you do which requires a top class GPU that you're willing to sacrifice with higher power consumption and an additional failure point for your machine? Maybe you would be better suited with a desktop replacement Windows PC? That's a valid choice for a very small subset of users, maybe you're one of them?
According to that logic it would always be smarter to wait for the 'next' update and never buy. I see your point about the issues with new, redesigned products but with the usual warranty you can replace anything that doesn't work accordingly. I guarantee you, you will not be left with an inadequate product. Also, it is nice to have the newest and shiniest product
I think there are arguments for both sides, but everyone needs to decide for themselves at the end of the day. Circumstances differ and I for one desperately need a new machine and would never last until 2017 I saw benchmarks of iris 550(nothing to be impressed) and 580 can be 1.5x theorethicaly (so probably less in real life scenario). Gpu works only if they are used so I'm not concerned in higher power consumption. And I don't need powerful gpu thats why I'm using mbp 13 with broadwell but for me apple politics in waiting for strongest iris is just dead wrong.
Simply NO.
Windows needs to evolves REAL UGI and networking etc, its guts based on Linux/ UNIX, otherwise not interested. Battery life alone is significant. Also in 2 months the apple MBP would put it on pair with DELL or better
According to that logic it would always be smarter to wait for the 'next' update and never buy. I see your point about the issues with new, redesigned products but with the usual warranty you can replace anything that doesn't work accordingly. I guarantee you, you will not be left with an inadequate product. Also, it is nice to have the newest and shiniest product
Think his point was that I can hold out for another year, and admittedly, I'm sure I can. My work revolves mostly around a CLI and the latest/greatest isn't necessary, but I like to spoil myself so F it. Bring em out already!
The 550 is about the same speed as the i7 Iris 540 in the Surface Pro 4. At most its about 5% stronger than the 540 and about 50% stronger than the Iris 6100 in the GPU department- http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Iris-Graphics-550.149937.0.html
Because of this, I went with SP4 and am waiting to see if Apple adds better features to the new Macbook such as LTE finger print scanner, new design, etc before I switch back.
So hey ya'll what are the chances that the macbook 12" (retina) 2016 will be coming out this month?
According to that logic it would always be smarter to wait for the 'next' update and never buy. I see your point about the issues with new, redesigned products but with the usual warranty you can replace anything that doesn't work accordingly. I guarantee you, you will not be left with an inadequate product. Also, it is nice to have the newest and shiniest product
I agree with what you have to say. However from Apples previous track record...the first product definitely has issues - not only with Apple...its with most companies. Also Apple never replaced MacBooks for people with staingate issues...even those with warranty and Apple Care...the first rMBP in 2012. So all Im sayin is IF YOU CAN WAIT AND HAVE A FUNCTIONING MACHINE..possibly hold out till 2017. But hey thats my opinion...Im not deciding for others.
So, based on the most recent rumors, the new macbook pros could face a significant design change, which could mean they'll be significantly thinner.
Do you guys think it could end up being a fanless design? That would rule out the dGPU altogether, wouldn't it?
Enlighten me
And what about performance? Should we be worried? Although Apple could still improve performance in a thinner package, right?
Do you guys think it could end up being a fanless design? That would rule out the dGPU altogether, wouldn't it?
Enlighten me
And what about performance? Should we be worried? Although Apple could still improve performance in a thinner package, right?
Just so you know. For example, I will max out everything on the new rMBP (or non-Macbook portable workstation like Lenovo P50 or HP Zbook Studio if rMBP becomes unbearably thinner and less performant) except dGPU because I only need CPU power for processing.
I will also be grateful if 15" designs with and without dGPU are different - I don't want to spend thermal constrained design compromises on dGPU that is not installed.
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IMHO this can only happen if they choose Iris 540 15W Skylake for 13" and configure its TDP down for 9.5W. And even in this case they will have very complex design problems and compromises to make it fanless.So, based on the most recent rumors, the new macbook pros could face a significant design change, which could mean they'll be significantly thinner.
Do you guys think it could end up being a fanless design? That would rule out the dGPU altogether, wouldn't it?
Enlighten me
And what about performance? Should we be worried? Although Apple could still improve performance in a thinner package, right?
Not happening on 28W 13" or 45W 15", not happening with dGPU. (Of course if they don't include huge dock with heatsinks and it will only work when docked. I don't see Apple doing it - they're not Asus after all.)
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The Skull Canyon NUC appears to use a fan so I don't think a fanless design is feasible for sMBP.
GTX960M never will appear in Macbook Pro, because of too high Thermal Design Power, and too high power consumption. We are talking about 50W GPU.
PSU in MBP is 85W, and it has to deliver power to: CPU 45W, Chipset - 6W, Battery, motherboard, SSD, RAM, Screen, etc, etc.
No chances for GTX 960M. HD580 is integrated in the CPU, provides 95% of performance of GTX 960M, saves money, saves space, saves heat, saves power.
What do you want more?
AMD Polaris 11. That is completely different story.
PSU in MBP is 85W, and it has to deliver power to: CPU 45W, Chipset - 6W, Battery, motherboard, SSD, RAM, Screen, etc, etc.
No chances for GTX 960M. HD580 is integrated in the CPU, provides 95% of performance of GTX 960M, saves money, saves space, saves heat, saves power.
What do you want more?
AMD Polaris 11. That is completely different story
.PSU of 85w is also a mistake. And 580 as 95% of 960m - not even remotly close to this but you will seeGTX960M never will appear in Macbook Pro, because of too high Thermal Design Power, and too high power consumption. We are talking about 50W GPU.
PSU in MBP is 85W, and it has to deliver power to: CPU 45W, Chipset - 6W, Battery, motherboard, SSD, RAM, Screen, etc, etc.
No chances for GTX 960M. HD580 is integrated in the CPU, provides 95% of performance of GTX 960M, saves money, saves space, saves heat, saves power.
What do you want more?
AMD Polaris 11. That is completely different story
And as I said, users that have now old macbooks without dgpu are not probably interested in gpu power(as their intel gpus are pathetic) and want update for more hdd, ram and faster cpu, new design and thats why waiting for new iris is apple mistake.
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He ignores the fact that the Kaby Lake iGPUs are much more powerful than their Broadwell and Skylake counterparts.
Predictions...
If dGPU, then it is going to be under clocked. It will throttle. It will not perform to it's maximum.
It will make noise and make your computer hot.
If integrated GPU, then it will make sense in software like Adobe and CAD, but won't really push the envelope in gaming, though benchmarks will show some percentage on low settings.
If you game, buy a PC. If you use applications, get a Mac.
Not every generation of gpu or cpu will provide enhanced processing power, but will focus on lower temperatures and energy usage.
If you want performance, you will also need cooling...and it won't fit into a laptop.
If dGPU, then it is going to be under clocked. It will throttle. It will not perform to it's maximum.
It will make noise and make your computer hot.
If integrated GPU, then it will make sense in software like Adobe and CAD, but won't really push the envelope in gaming, though benchmarks will show some percentage on low settings.
If you game, buy a PC. If you use applications, get a Mac.
Not every generation of gpu or cpu will provide enhanced processing power, but will focus on lower temperatures and energy usage.
If you want performance, you will also need cooling...and it won't fit into a laptop.
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I can buy now macbook 15 with integrated Iris Pro Graphics 5200. Is this a good gpu for software like Adobe and CAD ?
If you are not rendering big video files or using extensive 3D models in CAD, I would get integrated model. I edit videos occasionally, but if it was my bread and butter, I would invest in the dGPU model. The current model would probably last you 3-4 years. It's more a question of following trends waiting for upgrades. If you feel the looks of a computer is making your work suffer, you may have to wait for WWDC 2016.
Computers aren't investments, so waiting for a specific moment to buy isn't crucial. You will always loose money on electronics. They will always degrade in value. It's more about what you can get out of a computer than the dollars and cents.
Only a small number of video editing algorithms benefit from GPU.
Better CPU with optimised algorithms that leverage new instruction sets often outperform primitive GPU operations.
CPUs with integrated GPU capability and shared memory often outperform CPU+external GPU where data has to be shunted back and forward over a bus.
Apple would be mad to design in a dGPU.
They could, however, design an external GPU that these niche users can plug into the USB-C socket. But the battery would be destroyed. I really don't see the point.
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