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You just referred to performance as a thing sacrificed for Apple's smaller products and then talked about SE's "good" performance ... even though it has the exact same A9 chip as the two flagship phones ... so performance was not sacrificed for size ... so that really deters from your main point.
The iPhone SE has old-gen Touch ID, no 3D Touch, an inferior FaceTime camera, and a screen that is both smaller and lower quality. I should have emphasized the most important aspect of the "mini" moniker - its small size. Performance may lag at times, but Apple doesn't seem to intentionally hobble its "mini" products when it doesn't have to.
 
The iPhone SE has old-gen Touch ID, no 3D Touch, an inferior FaceTime camera, and a screen that is both smaller and lower quality. I should have emphasized the most important aspect of the "mini" moniker - its small size. Performance may lag at times, but Apple doesn't seem to intentionally hobble its "mini" products when it doesn't have to.
You emphasized performance.
 
Sorry guys, but...No I'm not sorry, this tablet is gorgeous. :p

couldn't resist. The tax refund money blow torching a hole in my pocket finally went though.

Picked up 8/256/i5 SP4 today. Beautiful tablet. I really have to give it to Microsoft. I felt like I was unboxing an Apple product; the quality is amazing.

This will be a great replacement for my iPad Air 2 and supplement for my rMBP.

Have fun guys.

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Don't wanna sound rude but this scenario literally can't exist. If an alpine ridge (thunderbolt 3) controller is used, USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10 Gbps) is included for free. There's very little chance that Apple holds on to TB2 because of the mDP thickness. They'll swap just so they can slim things up.
you're not rude, but as far as i understand of electronics, having TB3 (i agree that alpine ridge is a given for new mbp) does not imply that when using USB transfer protocol it will get the full 10gb/s speed, you need an extra 3rd party chip for that (not internally supported by skylake).
but i'd be happy to be contradicted if someone knows better!

i keep saying: the 1 connector 2 protocols is going to be a mess for the users..
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Performance may lag at times
same soc as the 6s, don't know about nand though, but how should it lag? source?
 
And another one bites the dust...

I've been silently watching this thread for way too long waiting for the inevitable chip release, but I finally cracked last week. I bought a maxed out 2015 rMBP from a friend. It was way too much computer for him so he made me an offer I couldn't refuse. He got money, and I got brand new Pro. Good trade if you ask me.

Good luck to all that are still holding out for Skylake, hopefully it's specs knock your socks off when it finally arrives.

Apple are losing money because they can't give a proper release roadmap.

I'm waiting over 12 months for this new machine. I would have bought Q1 2015 if I'd known it would be Q3/Q4 for this release.
 
End of June is just about Q2. May or may not be announced then. And if it is announced, it could be Q3 (or even Q4) by the time hardware ships.

As far as I'm aware, the 13th of June is mid-June, not end of june.

I understand your scepticism and your apparently irresistible need for complaining, but at least be precise about it.

And when's the last time Apple announced something, only to make it available 2-3 months later? Apple never does that, and for good reason.
 
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They did that with the apple watch.

True, but in that case I would argue that it was a smart decision.

They didn't have a product in the smart watch category, wanted to pounce and get the biggest market share. They pre-announced, got people excited, and therefore people started holding off on buying smart watches (i.e. killing part of the competition's sales) and create a massive hype around the product when it launched for sale.

I don't know if this was the strategic thinking at Apple, and don't claim to. For all I know, they may have been experiencing major manufacturing difficulties that stopped them from launching the watch on schedule.

But what i do know for sure is, they have never pre-announced the sales launch of one of their existing products, because they know that it would immediately kill off all sales of said product until the new version is released. It makes no sense whatsoever for Apple to announce the rMBPs in June, and launch them in september.

Either they announce at WWDC and launch within a 2-week to 1-month window, or they wait until the product is ready to announce it.
 
As far as I'm aware, the 13th of June is mid-June, not end of june.

I understand your scepticism and your apparently irresistible need for complaining, but at least be precise about it.

And when's the last time Apple announced something, only to make it available 2-3 months later? Apple never does that, and for good reason.

In my original post, I spoke of Q3/Q4 i.e. hardware would be in my hands towards the end of this year. And it looks like this will probably be the case.

The reality of a 12 to 18 month wait is hardly "imprecise". You are trolling and nit-picking at this stage. I was making the point that a better roadmap is needed so people can plan things better. That's all. I want to be able to make better decisions. You're making it into something else entirely.
 
Do you guys think Apple would release the redesigned MacBook Pros without this year's version of Mac OS? If I recall correctly, the last time the MacBook Pro got a redesign (back in 2012), it was released with a new version of OS X (Mountain Lion) which happened to be ready for release around the time of the rMBP announcement during WWDC. And since Apple takes pride in creating both the hardware and software of their products, I'm feeling a little skeptical about these rumours regarding the release of new rMBPs by June because I feel like Apple wouldn't ship their new laptops without a new version of OS X.

But then again, the Retina MacBook was released last year without a new version of OS X sooooooooo idk haha:rolleyes:
 
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Do you guys think Apple would release the redesigned MacBook Pros without this year's version of Mac OS? If I recall correctly, the last time the MacBook Pro got a redesign (back in 2012), it was released with a new version of OS X (Mountain Lion) which happened to be ready for release around the time of the rMBP announcement during WWDC. And since Apple takes pride in creating both the hardware and software of their products, I'm feeling a little skeptical about these rumours regarding the release of new rMBPs by June because I feel like Apple wouldn't ship their new laptops without a new version of OS X.

But then again, the Retina MacBook was released last year without a new version of OS X sooooooooo idk haha:rolleyes:

This!

It's almost a given that they will be released together as both OSX and MBP's go hand in hand for developpers and proffesionals.

And last year was just a petty Force Touch and SSD update, a silent release.
 
This!

It's almost a given that they will be released together as both OSX and MBP's go hand in hand for developpers and proffesionals.

And last year was just a petty Force Touch and SSD update, a silent release.
I just hope it doesn't mean that we will have to wait till like the end of this year to get new laptops :/
 
You are trolling and nit-picking at this stage.

Hahahahahaha. No.

Do you guys think Apple would release the redesigned MacBook Pros without this year's version of Mac OS? If I recall correctly, the last time the MacBook Pro got a redesign (back in 2012), it was released with a new version of OS X (Mountain Lion) which happened to be ready for release around the time of the rMBP announcement during WWDC. And since Apple takes pride in creating both the hardware and software of their products, I'm feeling a little skeptical about these rumours regarding the release of new rMBPs by June because I feel like Apple wouldn't ship their new laptops without a new version of OS X.

But then again, the Retina MacBook was released last year without a new version of OS X sooooooooo idk haha:rolleyes:

That's actually a good point, and it brings back memories of circa page 150 haha.

Mountain Lion was necessary for the rMBPs, because it was the first version of OSX to natively support retina screens, ergo if they hadn't done things that way, we would have had beautiful screens with a crappy-looking OS that didn't scale up to retina.

Personally this means that if an OS update is necessary, it'll be related to major hardware changes. Fingerprint sensor? (please no) OS update. Touch screens? (oh god no) Likely a necessary OS update, and so on.

Hopefully we won't be needing OS X to be updated at the same time as the rMBPs ;)
 
Sorry guys, but...No I'm not sorry, this tablet is gorgeous. :p

couldn't resist. The tax refund money blow torching a hole in my pocket finally went though.

Picked up 8/256/i5 SP4 today. Beautiful tablet. I really have to give it to Microsoft. I felt like I was unboxing an Apple product; the quality is amazing.

This will be a great replacement for my iPad Air 2 and supplement for my rMBP.

Have fun guys.

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that is a tablet? or a laptop replacement? it has a laptop OS, and not a tablet os
 
Sorry guys, but...No I'm not sorry, this tablet is gorgeous. :p

couldn't resist. The tax refund money blow torching a hole in my pocket finally went though.

Picked up 8/256/i5 SP4 today. Beautiful tablet. I really have to give it to Microsoft. I felt like I was unboxing an Apple product; the quality is amazing.

This will be a great replacement for my iPad Air 2 and supplement for my rMBP.

Have fun guys.

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It's a great device, I actually got the i7, near twice the performance on the iris 540. Alas, I ended up returning mine due to lack of imessage, Apple Mail and abysmal battery life.

Be sure to visit r surface on Reddit. Download the CPU limiter reg key for Windows and make sure you limit the CPU to 60-70% on battery so the fans don't constantly kick on and kill your battery.

Also, use Nylus N1, best apple like experience if you used apple Mail. I'll be here waiting for a redisigned rMBP.
 
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what gpu has surface pro 4? hd 540 ?
HD 520 on i5 and below, and iris 540 on the i7. The i7 is near on par to the iris 550 that Apple would use on the 13in. It's a pretty awesome igpu, and I'm sure Apple can get even better performance due to the 540 being only power throttled on the SP4.
 
so the 540 from upcoming 13" MBP can outperform the one from surface pro 4/?
Well either the 540 with no power throttling or the 550 will outperform the iris 540 on the SP4. The SP4 is limited to 15w due to form factor, where rmbp uses a 28w tdp. Either or, Apple typically thermally throttles, not power throttles their pcs. So there would be better performance for sure.
 
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