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You emphasized performance.
Well so far most "mini" products have featured lower performance. But that's secondary to the name "mini" - size is obviously the constraint on performance in those cases. If Apple can fit the same performance in a smaller size they will.
 
True, but in that case I would argue that it was a smart decision.

They didn't have a product in the smart watch category, wanted to pounce and get the biggest market share. They pre-announced, got people excited, and therefore people started holding off on buying smart watches (i.e. killing part of the competition's sales) and create a massive hype around the product when it launched for sale.

I don't know if this was the strategic thinking at Apple, and don't claim to. For all I know, they may have been experiencing major manufacturing difficulties that stopped them from launching the watch on schedule.

But what i do know for sure is, they have never pre-announced the sales launch of one of their existing products, because they know that it would immediately kill off all sales of said product until the new version is released. It makes no sense whatsoever for Apple to announce the rMBPs in June, and launch them in september.

Either they announce at WWDC and launch within a 2-week to 1-month window, or they wait until the product is ready to announce it.

Totally agree. The phenomenon of announcing an update to a product and having it kill sales of the current version even has a name: the Osborne effect. Which, as you said, is why it made sense to pre-announce a brand new product category (e.g. Apple Watch), as there were no current sales to adversely affect, but why announcing a new rMBP and not selling it for months is poor business practice... and something Apple has never done.
 
The phenomenon of announcing an update to a product and having it kill sales of the current version even has a name: the Osborne effect.
I propose renaming it to Xperia X effect. Sony have a marketing team that's aggressively working on minimising sales.

If the new rMBP comes with a tapered front part – like Air now, it makes typing on your lap WAY less painful – and they don't come up with revolutionary ideas like "starting at €1999 for 8 GB RAM and 128 GB SSD, now with brand new butterfly keyboard", I'm probably going to switch.
 
Totally agree. The phenomenon of announcing an update to a product and having it kill sales of the current version even has a name: the Osborne effect. Which, as you said, is why it made sense to pre-announce a brand new product category (e.g. Apple Watch), as there were no current sales to adversely affect, but why announcing a new rMBP and not selling it for months is poor business practice... and something Apple has never done.

Nice! TIL!

I propose renaming it to Xperia X effect. Sony have a marketing team that's aggressively working on minimising sales.

Actually laughed out loud. That sounds like the easiest job in the world.
 
guys you think the macbook air and the macbook pro will be unite in just 2 sizes at WWDC? since the MBP will be lighter and thinner than there is no need for macbook air to exist (except the price point)
 
guys you think the macbook air and the macbook pro will be unite in just 2 sizes at WWDC? since the MBP will be lighter and thinner than there is no need for macbook air to exist (except the price point)

I mean we'll never know until the official announcement, but the way I see it MBA is becoming obsolete pretty soon. The fact that they still haven't update MBA to retina is just disturbing, but since they are going with lower power,low cpu performance and High overprice already shows you that they are pushing for MB 12 to be the next "thing". Which I hope it does not happen but.... the way apple is going.. i don't know.
 
I wish Apple just grew a pair of balls and made logical and bold decisions. Make the line-up simple and crystal clear & don't produce overly slacking products

You would be completely out of your mind to buy a non retina MacBook Pro now
 
i mean common, the just updated 12" Macbook beats any current Macbook air i5...maybe not in the gpu department but still
 
I wish Apple just grew a pair of balls and made logical and bold decisions. Make the line-up simple and crystal clear & don't produce overly slacking products

You would be completely out of your mind to buy a non retina MacBook Pro now

And that's, my friend, how was Apple, long time ago... (in a galaxy far far away)
Quick question just for talking: I don't understand why many people here are waiting for both MacBook Pro and MacBook Air.
At least, seems to me that many people are like "Meh, I don't know, maybe I'll buy a MacBook Air, maybe the Pro."
Why so? They are so different, I know for sure I'm gonna buy a Pro, I won't even consider buying an Air as alternative option.
 
i mean common, the just updated 12" Macbook beats any current Macbook air i5...maybe not in the gpu department but still

Beats how? I fail to see how this thing beats anything but maybe common sense. 1450 Euro as starting point - least in germany. I can almost buy 2 Airs for that, and get a load of ports in addition - oh its also faster. Seriously?
 
i hope but i think its a must for Apple to update both speakers from 13" and 15" MBP. I mean the speakers from 12" and ipad pro are better than any macbook air and 13" Macbook pro ! so i am wondering how nice will be the speakers from MBP! Other aspect making the same led key ilumination like in 12" Macbook. In the dark my MBP keyboard with its bleeding is looking so ugly beside 12" Macbook
[doublepost=1461256246][/doublepost]Yes on Macbook thread already people got the m5 and benchmark show that surpass the i5 from macbook air and the m7 is suppose to be very close to the i7
 
It's a great device, I actually got the i7, near twice the performance on the iris 540. Alas, I ended up returning mine due to lack of imessage, Apple Mail and abysmal battery life.

Be sure to visit r surface on Reddit. Download the CPU limiter reg key for Windows and make sure you limit the CPU to 60-70% on battery so the fans don't constantly kick on and kill your battery.

Also, use Nylus N1, best apple like experience if you used apple Mail. I'll be here waiting for a redisigned rMBP.

iMessage and Apple Mail aren't a big deal, since I will pretty much always have my rMBP (which will still be my main mobile machine) and of course, my iPhone which is what I use when I'm on my gaming PC.

I saw so many mixed things on Battery Life. 5-6 hours is what I saw online on average, which would be enough for my needs anyway, plus Microsoft rolled out string of firmware updates today. 5-6 is also what I would get if I was still using my old 2012 cMBP. Doing a search before I purchased, a lot of the issues seem to be with the i7 model, with a few reviews saying the i5 got the best battery life. We will see how it goes.
 
I wish Apple just grew a pair of balls and made logical and bold decisions. Make the line-up simple and crystal clear & don't produce overly slacking products

You would be completely out of your mind to buy a non retina MacBook Pro now

We have no idea of the internal debates, internal issues, the long term road plans, issues with vendors (e.g. see AMD interview with pcper - they couldn't give a fixed date for Polaris) - and what you want comes from them announcing Macs. It can be a bolder thing to hold fire and announce and deliver when ready?
 
My current laptop is at the point where it's very frustrating to use and I can't make my mind up about what to do.

I keep considering the XPS, Surface Book, MacBook, and of course waiting for the MacBook Pro update. I would absolutely prefer to stick with Apple for a few reasons, but I don't know. The MacBook is enough power for my needs, but the price for what you get overall leaves me feeling like it's a few hundred dollars overpriced. The MacBook Pro is still at least two months away and I just don't know if I feel like waiting anymore.

I don't upgrade often at all, I need something that is future proofed for a while with features more so than just power. I just don't know what to do. Lol
 
that is a tablet? or a laptop replacement? it has a laptop OS, and not a tablet os

Well, it can be laptop replacement. However, I wanted something more versatile than my Air 2 with a larger screen, and I couldn't see myself paying 1,000+ for a 128GB 12.9" iPad Pro with pencil, keyboard, and/or smart cover. Like I said, we will see how it goes.
 
Fingerprint sensor? (please no)

Hi Knassar, what is the reason you are against a fingerprint sensor? I kind of like the idea, but I have never used a laptop with one. I do like the new one on the iPhone 6s.
 
Hi Knassar, what is the reason you are against a fingerprint sensor? I kind of like the idea, but I have never used a laptop with one. I do like the new one on the iPhone 6s.
on an laptop the right choice is the retina scanner or face recon. like in an iphone, you open the display and its unlocked, thanks to the perfect place for the fingerprint sensor. on a laptop there is no such place, except the lid but..very hard to put there
 
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on an laptop the right choice is the retina scanner or face recon. like in an iphone, you open the display and its unlocked, thanks to the perfect place for the fingerprint sensor. on a laptop there is no such place, except the lid but..very hard to put there

Trackpad
Enter/Return Key
New Key
Space Bar
Close to or on the power button
 
Haven't been keeping up, I am guessing since the Apple March non-event nothing significant has come forward?

Yup. To be fair, nothing significant has come forward for several months prior to the March event!
Nearest known significant event coming up may be Skull Canyon release in May, where we see some Iris Pro Skylake benchmarks.
 
Trackpad
Enter/Return Key
New Key
Space Bar
Close to or on the power button
so when at sleep, you open the lid and its still locked, you have to press a key(so basically same idea of fingerprint for decades). so not same smoothness like on iphone. still face recon the best.
 
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I propose renaming it to Xperia X effect. Sony have a marketing team that's aggressively working on minimising sales.

If the new rMBP comes with a tapered front part – like Air now, it makes typing on your lap WAY less painful – and they don't come up with revolutionary ideas like "starting at €1999 for 8 GB RAM and 128 GB SSD, now with brand new butterfly keyboard", I'm probably going to switch.

The price is something I'm worrying about as well. The MBP got a huge price jump when it's updated to rMBP in 2012. External design aside, I'm pretty sure they will upgrade the screen as well, maybe a 4K screen on the 15" model? I also hope they will keep 16gb ram as standard across the 15". Finally the price, maybe a bump is inevitable but here's hoping it's not too much, it will be great if they maintain the current price. The current 15" rMBP is actually a pretty good deal if you ignore the slightly outdated processor.
 
The only way I see Air surviving is the 11" model with slight spec bump as Macbook Mini and no retina.

But why bother giving the 13" a RAM bump? I can see them nixing the 11", and keeping the 13" as is (sadly... I'm still hoping they'll give it a refresh). Then reduce the 13" MBA to $899 so it maintains a low cost entry-level OS X device. 5th gen processors are plenty going into 2017 for that device.

Then come 1-2 years from now... the iPad Pros will just keep getting better and closer to the functionality of a MacBook, and the rMB will reduce in price.

on an laptop the right choice is the retina scanner or face recon. like in an iphone, you open the display and its unlocked, thanks to the perfect place for the fingerprint sensor. on a laptop there is no such place, except the lid but..very hard to put there

Facial recognition is too clumsy, especially in low light, and I'm sure they can be fooled with an image. Fingerprints are immediate and more secure. I'm sure they'd find a spot for Touch ID.
 
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