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Serban said:
but hey you cannot deny the big differences between 2006 macbook pro and the upcoming one. Its night and day from every aspect
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I know you are right ... but regardless of technological advances, I really do believe that the overall quality did suffer.
By the way, I also own a 2011 17" MacBookPro which I LOVE for its screen size.

It is heavy as hell but still beautifully built, no jiggly ports, no damaged display coating.
It also runs cooler because of all the material.

But yes, you ARE correct, HOWEVER a modern Skylake 17" Pro with all the ports would have SOME buyers.
A good 15" will have to do, but I don't have high hopes regarding the quality.

PS: TrueTone display for photo or video editing ... no way ... I bet Apple will sell it to us like the best invention for Laptops.
 
t0mat0 said:
Schiller on the Mac lines at
https://backchannel.com/exclusive-why-apple-is-still-sweating-the-details-on-imac-531a95e50c91
Apple seems to align to this way of seeing the iPad, notebooks, iMac, desktop.


Display - make the display DCI-P3, Truetone
Processor - use Skylake with Iris Pro
eDRAM as a memory side cache, power savings, improved integrated graphics
Memory - move to DDR4
Storage - keep improving (like last update)
Size and Weight - refresh and improve size, thickness
Graphics and video support - improve dual display, video output
Use a 14nm instead of 28nm process dGPU
Connections and Expansion - bring TB3
Wireless - bring 802.11ac second wave (if not already there?)
Audio - improve speakers aka MacBook 12"/iPad Pro 12.9"
Battery - tweak battery

And Apple doesn't know what they could do? The above hits pretty much every tech spec of the MBP. Everything could be improved.
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And they should improve most of that list... The competition is gaining, if not passing, on Apple in most areas. Personally I'm most interested at keeping the build-quality, improving the display quality (P3) and Thunderbolt 3. I could care less about a 14nm GPU (like most people who use it for work) as long as I can expand it with fast storage, eGPU (if I want to game at home) and a VGA port in cases I need to.
 
pmau said:
I know you are right ... but regardless of technological advances, I really do believe that the overall quality did suffer.
By the way, I also own a 2011 17" MacBookPro which I LOVE for its screen size.

It is heavy as hell but still beautifully built, no jiggly ports, no damaged display coating.
It also runs cooler because of all the material.

But yes, you ARE correct, HOWEVER a modern Skylake 17" Pro with all the ports would have SOME buyers.
A good 15" will have to do, but I don't have high hopes regarding the quality.

PS: TrueTone display for photo or video editing ... no way ... I bet Apple will sell it to us like the best invention for Laptops.
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yes i know there are a lot of people who will buy a 17" MBP. i think for many is the all in one mac and no need for extra monitor or imac or whatever. But i think apple will combine the 15" with 17" and make a 16" MBP.
Yes true tone for mac makes a less sense, and i don't think apple will adopt unless they can manage to only auto activated when you launch safari or ibooks and for the rest of the time be disabled
 
WRONG said:
Nope. This thing is terrible, and goes against the design principles Apple (and you too) praise so long.
Also, with the end of the Moore's Law and the lack of real technology improvement, I think we're going to face new release times, longer than before.
Just think at all the mess and delay Intel made with Skylake.



So you don't care about the performance of your computer?
Why so?
Whatever Apple put in a laptop, that fit for you?
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I do care about "performance". What kind of performance are you talking about? I'm concerned with power balanced performance for my portable computing needs. I care more about design, reliability, battery life and aesthetics than I do about GHz and dGPUs.

Skylake (and eventually Kabylake) is the perfect chip to meet these high level aims.

If I want raw performance for the lowest cost, I'll phone Supermicro and buy a dual Xeon E5 16-core and an NVIDIA Tesla and install CentOS on it.
 
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Oppenheim said:
I care more about design, reliability, battery life and aesthetics than I do about GHz and dGPUs.
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This is exactly the issue of todays world. Everything has to be an object of art and design.
Everyone needs a new status symbol to own.

You probably don't like my comment, but this is my honest opinion.
Look at the phone market and realise that Apple decided to do the same with the Mac.

Redisign to make it sell, not to improve.
And no, I don't buy the portability argument.

If you sit at StarBucks or in meetings you need to have the latest and greatest throw-away gimmick.
At least it sounds like that.

I hear all the time "I need to work on the subway", but the only thing people do is watch movies or surf the web.

Look at "rose gold" and you see where we are heading.
 
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What are the odds we'll get price drops for the following? A 1 TB SSD is like $150.

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wakka said:
It's true, the number 1 problem on Earth today is that people like things that look nice.
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Even if you wrote is as joke, it is true. People had no resources to produce loads of stuff that is "just nice".
Ask your parents about the cars they drove. (or considering the demographic, probably your grand-parents)
 
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everybody knows, today DESIGN and ART is sold, cars tech houses etc
today even the services must live from our products repairs
so we are not living in the 80 or 90 where a mercedes can last for a decade without any big repairs etc..
so design sells and services must live from our products repairs
 
Serban said:
everybody knows, today DESIGN and ART is sold, cars tech houses etc
today even the services must live from our products repairs
so we are not living in the 80 or 90 where a mercedes can last for a decade without any big repairs etc..
so design sells and services must live from our products repairs
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Oh, I'd love to see a new rMBP coming with options for easy upgrade (two SSD slots, RAM), 16" with even bigger, heavey-duty casing (so the heat wouldn't be a problem)... a workhorse, machine built to last for years. Like mercs you mentioned... but that's the past I'm afraid.

I think that rMBP line should be pro and should avoid all that design features as much as possible. There is MB line for people who care about the looks. Same with Air. MBP should be all about performance with stability, i/o and portability with all above. For example if need MBP for music engineering, I want to be able to go outside and do some recordings with my machine fully equipped with important ins and outs. Desktop won't do the job. From my standpoint I'm more about performance with portability. Last thing I care is the thinner look.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea that it can be both great looking and great performing laptop. But if the look needs sacrifices in performance and stability or time the unit will last, well then I say hell no.

just my five cents to the discussion.
 
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I'd imagine availability may be an issue initially - doesn't make sense for Apple to have production capabilities much higher than their anticipated future week to week production levels just so they can have a minimal backlog on launch - they won't don't like having too much inventory stockpiled. Depends if you're buying a stock machine or a Built To Order one too - that'll likely have a 1-2 week delay just for the shipping, barring any backlog.

Processor, storage will have options, but will they have an option for more RAM for the 15" equivalent? Currently the 13" can be upgraded to 16GB, but the 15" all have 16GB (raised previously because they didn't have much to refresh the rMBP with I guess).

Curious - which would be more painful for the 15" - a release nearer September than June, or for Apple to release 15" without Polaris GPU? It just seems like that feature might make a decent upgrade for the 2nd Skylake rMBP.

Be surprised if any analyst brings it up at earnings call next week, but it'd make a good question to Tim - "Are you killing off the Mac, as shown by lack of updates." They could quell the nerves of quite a few waiters, if they wanted to (ala the statement about the nMac Pro update being confirmed).

EDIT - 100 pages in a month lol - this threads could hit 200 more pages before WWDDC :D
 
Dydegu said:
What are the odds we'll get price drops for the following? A 1 TB SSD is like $150.

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the best you can hope is base 512GB for the 15/16",
i expect the 13/14" to come still with base storage of 256GB.
hopefully they'll reduce price for bto, my wild guess is:
256->512 for 200$,
512->1024 for 400$.

a 2TB bto would also be sweet, maybe in 1-2 years (too expensive for now).
 
does anyone know why the 2016 rMB still uses (LP)DDR3 RAM? motherboard incompatibility? Apple can't be stuffed upgrading?

at any rate (geddit?), it looks like to me that Apple won't be using DDR4.
 
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PKBeam said:
does anyone know why the 2016 rMB still uses (LP)DDR3 RAM? motherboard incompatibility? Apple can't be stuffed upgrading?

at any rate (geddit?), it looks like to me that Apple won't be using DDR4.
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core m cpu doesn't support ddr 4 and thunderbolt 3. but hey we have faster ram at 1866gz
 
pmau said:
Even if you wrote is as joke, it is true. People had no resources to produce loads of stuff that is "just nice".
Ask your parents about the cars they drove. (or considering the demographic, probably your grand-parents)
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The Hanging Gardens of Babylon and the Cistine Chapel beg to differ, as do the beautiful gold-embossed Bibles produced in the Middle Ages. Oh, we're not looking that far back? How about the mansions built in the 1920's (think Great Gatsby here). But oh, you mean the 1950's? Like "Greased Lightning" 1950's with the beautiful hotrods which are still collected and kept up to this day?

The 1970's were ugly, no question there. But I think the majority of human history has been littered with humans focusing on beauty over functionality.
 
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PKBeam said:
does anyone know why the 2016 rMB still uses (LP)DDR3 RAM? motherboard incompatibility? Apple can't be stuffed upgrading?

at any rate (geddit?), it looks like to me that Apple won't be using DDR4.
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Skylake Y (core m) does not support DDR4.
the cpus likely coming to the pros support both.
 
Haters gotta hate... I always thought Apple products were about getting tech to integrate with the human condition... Not having humans having to adjust to the will of tech...
 
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The Hanging Gardens of Babylon and the Cistine Chapel beg to differ, as do the beautiful gold-embossed Bibles produced in the Middle Ages. Oh, we're not looking that far back? How about the mansions built in the 1920's (think Great Gatsby here). But oh, you mean the 1950's? Like "Greased Lightning" 1950's with the beautiful hotrods which are still collected and kept up to this day?

The 1970's were ugly, no question there. But I think the majority of human history has been littered with humans focusing on beauty over functionality.
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Sorry, but Cistine Chapel? That's 99% form and 1% function. A multistorey carpark is 99% function and 1% form. An Apple computer is 50/50 in my view.

From a utilitarian point of view, Macs are tools for creating high quality software efficiently. I cannot create and inspire others using Ubuntu (though in fairness, a lot of the tools aren't available there for various reasons). I can probably do the job on a PC/Ubuntu, but it will take me a lot longer, will involve a lot more tinkering with stuff that doesn't matter to the end product and something won't "look" right about the end result. Any painter can paint a horse, and 99% of painters will paint horses that don't look right. A horse is very difficult to paint and it should just fall onto the canvas and look effortless. The worst type of painter is the one who paints a horse that doesn't look right and thinks he's fantastic. Worse again are those who get offended when you point it out.

Macs also inspire me. When I buy a Mac, I get access to the work of the best designers on the planet, the smartest engineers on the planet and exquisitely unified hardware/software.
 
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