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Serban said:
why not all of them to be usb-c thunderbolt 3? i think this will be the case
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Because - as has been stated before - alpine ridge (the Intel controller for thunderbolt 3 and USB c) comes in two flavors: 1 port, or 2 ports. Having more than two thunderbolt 3 ports would mean multiple alpine ridge controllers, that would need more space and power. And - most importantly - more pcie lanes, which will be limited already.
 
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senthor said:
Because - as has been stated before - alpine ridge (the Intel controller for thunderbolt 3 and USB c) comes in two flavors: 1 port, or 2 ports. Having more than two thunderbolt 3 ports would mean multiple alpine ridge controllers, that would need more space and power. And - most importantly - more pcie lanes, which will be limited already.
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Yes one port for each side so all usb-c tb3
 
bxsonic said:
Same here. 2011 MBA, 128 GB. I dread every time Xcode gets an update. Only 48 more days...
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*deletes symbol files to make room*
*hooks up device and waits for symbol files to install*
[doublepost=1461729214][/doublepost]The redesigned MacBook Pros back in 2013 were at WWDC so I see this redesign being at WWDC.
 
Oppenheim said:
In other words, a tradition argument. Not a reason on its own to keep inferior things around. Especially in the tech sector.

And btw, USB-C is an evolution of legacy USB. It also incorporates Thunderbolt and gives features such as high power, reversibility, good tactile feel and amazing bandwidth. Only a Luddite like yourself would insist on a legacy USB port on the new MBP, a design which has to last until 2020.
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God damn it. Oppenheim you are such a troll and also, I'm sorry to say that, a ****ing idiot.

As I and others have explained time and again...
USB-C DOES NOT incorporate TB3. Not in any single sense or case.
USB-C has absolutely NOTHING to do with TB3. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.


TB3 requires it's own microcontroller. This is what handles the signal, and just like TB1 AND 2 before it let TB3 make use of many different protocols. One of them being USB.
Additionally TB3 moved the connector port from mini DisplayPort to a plug that LOOKS like USB-C. It also happens to be electrically compatible. A day because of said microcontroller you can plug USB-C devices into TB3 ports.

The other way round it DOES NOT WORK. NO SINGLE USB-C port in the entire world can or will ever be able to handle TB3 devices. Ever.
 
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Mikeeeey said:
I don't know why people are getting so hyped about this WWDC 2016. You're honestly just getting your hopes super high ready to be crushed like a teenage love story. I said it earlier in the post like 40 pages back, you can literally get a Dell XPS 15 with double the specs of the 15" MBPr for Less. I kid you not. (Yes 1TB PCIe SSD, 32gb ram, stronger dGPU, CPU, screen for less money).

I realistically think for the 13"
- 10% faster CPU
- 15% faster iGPU
- 1 hour more battery
- TB3/USB-C
- Slightly faster SSD
- DDR4 ram

And probably a stupid higher price, I doubt we'll get any color options, entire new redesign and I doubt Apple will cure every disease either.

The 15"
- 10-20% faster CPU
- 15% faster iGPU
- 25% faster dGPU
- TB3/USB-C
- Slightly faster SSD
- DDR4

It'll probably be another dGPU that is equivalent to a $500 gaming notebook, honestly its pathetic to charge $3799aud and ship me with an R9 M370x. My brother payed $1399 AUD for an Alienware 13 with a broadwell i7 and a GTX 860m, a dGPU double the performance of Apples top tier Pro lineup (don't let the Alienware scare you its actually a fairly light and thin gaming notebook) Either way, thats just what I personally think is going to happen. Apple has let me down far too many times and the only reason I hold onto this is for OSX in my web development field is a near must since Windows doesn't offer UNIX tools like OSX and Linux is like a 3 year old baby with ADHD, always wanting attention whether its fixing your unsupported bluetooth or why it won't sleep when you close the lid (Yes I still use a Thinkpad with ubuntu, these still exist).

At this rate, if Microsoft honestly gets back the targeted audience of people like me who use OSX purely for its UNIX goodness with that new Linux subsystem being built inside Windows 10, I can see my self buying the new 14" Razer Blade, (or the 12.5" stealth) since that seems to be the dream machine everyones been asking for.

Its no surprise Apples recent release on iPhone sales dropping profits by 23% happened, Apple just has far too much competition that 3-4 years ago were nothing compared to Apple but now there really isn't a reason an iPhone 6s Plus 64gb should cost $1379aud when a flagship Android like Nexus 6P 32gb costs $619aud.

I really want Apple to strive, I'm glad theres competition, but not to the point where Apple becomes the next Blackberry. I have no issue with spending a lot of money on technology that I use everyday and am willing to see it as an investment, but I hate being ripped off.

/rant over
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I'd be elated if what you said is what Apple ends up doing. Still better than paying for (now) a 2 year old CPU and 4 year old hardware. With tb3 and perhaps the new keyboard...itll be future proof imo.
 
radus said:
are there any rumors a touchscreen is coming for the expected rMBPro s ?
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Nope, the only rumor we have is that some analyst predicted that new MacBook Pro's are coming at WWDC/before second half of the year.....

If I were to take a guess, it's not going to happen
 
nicovh said:
Nope, the only rumor we have is that some analyst predicted that new MacBook Pro's are coming at WWDC/before second half of the year.....

If I were to take a guess, it's not going to happen
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Second half of the year, according to Digitimes.
 
TheralSadurns said:
God damn it. Oppenheim you are such a troll and also, I'm sorry to say that, a ****ing idiot.

As I and others have explained time and again...
USB-C DOES NOT incorporate TB3. Not in any single sense or case.
USB-C has absolutely NOTHING to do with TB3. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.


TB3 requires it's own microcontroller. This is what handles the signal, and just like TB1 AND 2 before it let TB3 make use of many different protocols. One of them being USB.
Additionally TB3 moved the connector port from mini DisplayPort to a plug that LOOKS like USB-C. It also happens to be electrically compatible. A day because of said microcontroller you can plug USB-C devices into TB3 ports.

The other way round it DOES NOT WORK. NO SINGLE USB-C port in the entire world can or will ever be able to handle TB3 devices. Ever.
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Actually, according to the below link, it actually IS a usb-c port. So you're right that a dedicated usb-c won't be able to handle TB3 but a TB3 will be able to handle usb-c. Again like you said it's a difference of controllers. https://thunderbolttechnology.net/tech/faq
 
Argh. For the seventh time...

USB-C is physical connector.
USB 3.1 gen 1, USB 3.1 gen 2, Thunderbolt 3 are (maybe not the best word) logical interfaces.
All of them share the same connector but provide different capabilities.

USB 3.1 gen 1 is the slowest - 5 Gbps.
USB 3.1 gen 2 is nearly the same as gen 1 by capabilities except double the speed - 10 Gbps.
Thunderbolt 3 has much more capabilities - it is a non-USB interface but it can emulate USB 3.1 gen 2 along with some other interfaces (like DisplayPort) and quadruple the speed - 40 Gbps.
 
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j1104638 said:
Argh. For the seventh time...

USB-C is physical connector.
USB 3.1 gen 1, USB 3.1 gen 2, Thunderbolt 3 are (maybe not the best word) logical interfaces.
All of them share the same connector but provide different capabilities.

USB 3.1 gen 1 is the slowest - 5 Gbps.
USB 3.1 gen 2 is nearly the same as gen 1 by capabilities except double the speed - 10 Gbps.
Thunderbolt 3 has much more capabilities - it is a non-USB interface but it can emulate USB 3.1 gen 2 along with some other interfaces (like DisplayPort) and quadruple the speed - 40 Gbps.
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We never learn. Providing actual information in this thread is useless. Trolls will keep on trollin' whether we do or not ^^
 
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guys end this. thunderbolt 3 can be used through the usb-c port (same 100% port dimensions) through a bridge and apple has no excuses not to build those into the MBP since they have more room than the 12" Mb
 
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radus said:
the company who brought touch displays to the masses is not able to equip their own computers with that technology -- that is awsome ... bad
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They're *able* to. They just don't want to. Reasoning below. If you wanted a touch display machine, the iPad with a keyboard does.

There’s one thing, however, that is conspicuously not in the new iMacs — a touch screen. While Microsoft and others now believe that multi-touch should extend to the desktop display, Apple believes this is dead wrong. “From the ergonomic standpoint we have studied this pretty extensively and we believe that on a desktop scenario where you have a fixed keyboard, having to reach up to do touch interfaces is uncomfortable,” says Schiller. “iOS from its start has been designed as a multi-touch experience — you don’t have the things you have in a mouse-driven interface, like a cursor to move around, or teeny little ‘close’ boxes that you can’t hit with your finger. The Mac OS has been designed from day one for an indirect pointing mechanism. These two worlds are different on purpose, and that’s a good thing — we can optimize around the best experience for each and not try to mesh them together into a least-common-denominator experience.”
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Very true, even using the ipad pro with smart keyboard, when you are reaching to the display to use your finger ,after a little time you get tired
The best way is the trackpad For macos
 
I would prefer to have both trackpad and touch display, from time to it is fun and easier to rise the hand i.e. using a calculator without an extended keyboard ...
And I am sure if apple could, the would deliver us a laptop with touch display, but as long as their operating system is not able to handle this - they don't want, of course
 
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