Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[NJPT]

Embargo lift on Skylake chips tomorrow 9:00pm PDT. It looks like we might still have to wait a little longer to hear about Xeon, Iris, and Iris Pro chips though.

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-s-mainstream-desktop-processor-lineup-launching-september-1/

 

[mafaky]

If there won't be a chip for the 13" this year, is it possible that they do a 14" with quad core instead (and possibly a 16")? They changed the size of the MacBook.

IMHO, whatever rMBP comes with Skylake, they will appear in early-2016 (March-April). Also, I don't yet see any hope for 14" and/or 16" screens although I would really love to see them around...

 

[haagz]

IMHO, whatever rMBP comes with Skylake, they will appear in early-2016 (March-April). Also, I don't yet see any hope for 14" and/or 16" screens although I would really love to see them around...

If they appear in March/April 2016, over a year will have gone by between updates. Not ever has the mbp (13") gone that long without being updated.

Besides, it would be pretty dumb of apple to not release a laptop when the hardware is available (for the 15").

In recent years, Apple has always released updates 1-3 months after the processors have been launched. So why would they chose not to, this time?

Also, it's not like them to split releases like they did earlier this year, and I doubt that's a trend that they will continue with, as they will probably lose buyers to other producers if they for example only update the 15", and not the 13".

So the only logical thing to do is to make a 14" with quad core and release it in October!

 

[The Leafs Fan]

They might not be removing ports, but I definitely see them (USB, HDMI, DP) being changed to USB-C ports since they are smaller and support everything. By doing this they could probably add 1 extra port and still achieve a smaller volume. HDMI/USB3 is huge in comparison.

The Age of Adapters is coming.

 

[adamchris123]

If you look at the buyers guide, the days between releases range from 220 to 280 days. I predict we'll have to wait until early next year to see the redesigned mbp.

 

[Vdx]

In my opinion the redesign rMBP will be introduced at the next wwdc as has happened in past. No reason for a separate event in April/March just for the rMBP... It might also come with the second generation of skylake given that apple wants to lead the industry !!! As for October event a update to MBa and Mac mini seems possible.

 

[w4rm]

The Age of Adapters is coming.

No adapters needed. Just purchase male USB C to male (HDMI, USB 3 etc.) and use that cable with your existing device.

Only adapters needed would probably be for USB sticks.

 

[Muizon]

Male USB C to "whatever" is an adapter, so he is right, if they only use USB C ports its "the age of adapters".

 

[Jetship]

Male USB C to "whatever" is an adapter, so he is right, if they only use USB C ports its "the age of adapters".

But does this "age of the adapters" really matter if they're cheap? to me I view it as just being a normal USB cable just with 2 different ends doesn't matter to me how they look/work as long as they work, and honestly it wont take long for companies to switch to USB-C. IMO.

 

[Cindori]

Male USB C to "whatever" is an adapter, so he is right, if they only use USB C ports its "the age of adapters".

USB-C is a totally new connector. Of course there will be a period of using adapters. But that is not exactly unique to the MBP, it will happen across all PC hardware. It's necessary for technology to evolve.

But I wouldn't call a cable an adapter. If that was true, I'm already using 100% adapters on my PC because my keyboard is USB->MiniUSB, my mouse is USB->MicroUSB, my monitor is DVI-HDMI, my iPhone is USB-LP...

 

[w4rm]

Male USB C to "whatever" is an adapter, so he is right, if they only use USB C ports its "the age of adapters".

Adapter =

Cable (Male USB C to Male HDMI) =

No 'age of adapters'.

Just swap out the existing cable and you're all set.

 

[Patrick-Photo]

Hey folks;

As a mid 2010 15" Macbook Pro user I 'feel' like I belong to this camp. I use my computer both for work and personal use, I've swapped the now-useless Superdrive for an SSD and did the "Fusion Drive" thing with a new Mac installation using Terminal back in 2012. That gave my computer a long life.

After almost 5.5 years, I still use it daily, carry with me everywhere and am sort of happy with it. Obviously I change computers on long intervals so when time for next purchase comes, I want to make a good choice.

At work, I work a lot on Excel spreadsheets. I use VBA, Macros, big data sheets and so on.
For personal stuff, I browse the web a lot, do lots of reading, maintain a blog/website, use occasional movie editing and Photoshop. Although my Mac currently gets the job done, it shows its age.

Would you wait for the Skylake if you were me? I know nothing but that Skylakes will consume less battery life. A new case design possibility excites me, yet we all know first gen. Apple designs aren't the best with manufacturing quality. (I remember first gen retina Macbook Pro issues) Anyone to inform me on this matter? I'd also love a 14" MBP as I kind of don't like my current Mac's footprint on tabletops yet I don't want to compromise too much on screen real estate.

TL;DR: I sort of need a computer although not very urgently both for work and personal use that I carry with me 24/7. (basically office-work) I use computers for a long times and want a new computer to commit to.

If it still runs why not wait a bit like Krivetko mentioned... I'm doing the same with met 15" late '11. It still works but not for too long I guess (the sleep-sensor is sketchy, so is the SD reader and I'm on my third logic board... I do quite a lot of work with the GPU so that wears the lifespan in this model quit a bit!)...

I don't think Apple will remove any ports on the MBP any time soon. They had to do it on the Macbook because space was just too scarce, but

So long as your current one gets the job done, I don't see why you shouldn't wait and see what the new one will have to offer.

+1 Agreed.

If there won't be a chip for the 13" this year, is it possible that they do a 14" with quad core instead (and possibly a 16")? They changed the size of the MacBook.

Maybe the will return to the 12", 14" line-up they had earlier (in the time of the iBooks and ProBooks). They could easily fit a 16" screen in the current 15" lid (judging by sight, looking at the big borders). A new Retina resolution would be needed though, 3220 x 2000 is I guess. Love to have something like that! or a 14" Quad-core with Iris Pro....

 

[The Leafs Fan]

Adapter =

Cable (Male USB C to Male HDMI) =

No 'age of adapters'.

Just swap out the existing cable and you're all set.

I doubt most people will replace cables when they can buy an adapter for less. Hence the term Age of Adapters, which will probably end after a few years when USB C becomes the de facto connector.

 

[w4rm]

I doubt most people will replace cables when they can buy an adapter for less. Hence the term Age of Adapters, which will probably end after a few years when USB C becomes the de facto connector.

I mean, for USB C to USB 3.0.

Adapters are around $10
http://www.amazon.com/Type-C-Cable-...9&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+type+c+to+usb+3+adapter

Cables male to male around $8
http://www.amazon.com/BasAcc®-Super...333&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+type+c+to+usb+3+cable

Not much difference in pricing, even though the adapter is more expensive.

Also considering that most people's devices would need to USB, 'Age of Adapters' bares no legs.

Not sure about HDMI and other formats, though but even if the cables were more expensive, it would be negligible considering you'd be saving desk space.

From my light research adapters seem to be more expensive in general.

With this, I see no reason why Apple wouldn't cram as many USB C's into the upcoming MBP, at least I hope so.

 

[PFKMan23]

I mean, for USB C to USB 3.0.

With this, I see no reason why Apple wouldn't cram as many USB C's into the upcoming MBP, at least I hope so.

I have no issues with your economic analysis, however I think the number of ports will be similar to the current generation of products. The question I would ask would be the distribution. For instance, I doubt that all posts will be USB C, as I still think there will be a few legacy ports out there. Of course, I think that if the release is pushed back to around March of next year, then the likelyhood of retention of legacy ports decreases in my opinion.

 

[w4rm]

I have no issues with your economic analysis, however I think the number of ports will be similar to the current generation of products. The question I would ask would be the distribution. For instance, I doubt that all posts will be USB C, as I still think there will be a few legacy ports out there. Of course, I think that if the release is pushed back to around March of next year, then the likelyhood of retention of legacy ports decreases in my opinion.

I think legacy ports are possible, but unlikely.

In terms of economics. It makes more sense to have all ports USB C. Larger orders means lower prices for parts.

And Apple likes higher profit margins. Since USB C is a new technology it makes more sense to bring prices as low as possible by increasing scale.

And because USB C does what all legacy ports do there's no reason to keep them.

There's really never been something like this in the history of computing. That effects so many configurations at such scale.

Also Apple has a habit of not making things more convenient for people's current set up, they like to ride the move with the times or get left behind bandwagon.

I think the sooner we all get on USB C the better.

 

[Niarlatop]

I think legacy ports are possible, but unlikely.
[…]
And because USB C does what all legacy ports do there's no reason to keep them.

There is a very good reason to keep legacy ports on the MacBook Pro line.
The Intel Alpine Ridge controller, which brings Thunderbolt 3 to the table, will be available in two flavors :
- The first will have 4 PCIe 3.0 lanes, resulting in 2 ThunderBolt 3 ports
- The other with be limited to 2 PCIe 3.0 lanes, and so only 1 ThunderBolt 3 port.

I can't imagine a MacBook Pro with only 2 ports, furthermore when one of them would be used to charge the computer.
They could perhaps add "regular" USB 3.1 Gen 2 ports to the build to bring the total to 4, but it would lead to a strange situation where some USB-C are TB3 compatible where the others are not.

So my guess is we'll still see legacy ports on the new design. They can already make a thinner rMBP with HDMI and USB 3, look at the curvy part above and under the computer :

 

[Serban]

intel is not supposed to show the skylake cpu today ??
anyone knows something?

 

[Niarlatop]

The Skylake CPUs announced today are from the S line, for desktop computers.
We have to wait a bit more for mobile parts.

 

[Patrick-Photo]

There is a very good reason to keep legacy ports on the MacBook Pro line.
The Intel Alpine Ridge controller, which brings Thunderbolt 3 to the table, will be available in two flavors :
- The first will have 4 PCIe 3.0 lanes, resulting in 2 ThunderBolt 3 ports
- The other with be limited to 2 PCIe 3.0 lanes, and so only 1 ThunderBolt 3 port.

I can't imagine a MacBook Pro with only 2 ports, furthermore when one of them would be used to charge the computer.
They could perhaps add "regular" USB 3.1 Gen 2 ports to the build to bring the total to 4, but it would lead to a strange situation where some USB-C are TB3 compatible where the others are not.

So my guess is we'll still see legacy ports on the new design. They can already make a thinner rMBP with HDMI and USB 3, look at the curvy part above and under the computer :

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Left side: Mag-Safe 2 or USB-C power-port, Dual TB3 ports, in the form of USB-C with an Headphone-jack in front of that.
Right side: Dual USB-C ports, HDMI (maybe) and SD-card reader.

I wouldn't be surprised. We'll see either way...

 

[Serban]

The Skylake CPUs announced today are from the S line, for desktop computers.
We have to wait a bit more for mobile parts.

link of the event or something? desktop are ok too bec are for imac/mac mini

 

[Ries]

link of the event or something? desktop are ok too bec are for imac/mac mini

Their keynote is in 12 hours.

How to watch Intel live stream at IFA 2015
Be sure to bookmark this page and come back tomorrow, Wednesday 2 September 2015, just before 8am (UK time) when the event is scheduled to start.

 

[OSX7]

Ok now, something is really weird. The full HQ and U lineup were announced and there is no mention of the GT3e making an appearance on the HQ lineup. The only ones with GT3e are the ones with the U designation (Macbook Air/rMBP 13"). All HQs have been downgraded to a pathetic GT2 and there's only ONE Xeon with GT4e with a 45/35W TDP (Just like the current rMBP 15"). That leaves Apple in a situation in which the will have to use that particular GT4e Xeon or use the other HQs paired with a dGPU :/.

 

[Serban]

Intel Announces Skylake Proccessor Family – 4.5W to 65W Skylake-S, Skylake-H, Skylake-U and Skylake-Y CPUs With DDR4 Support

 

[Frenchiex]

I saw this on a website:

"
Intel Skylake-U Series Lineup and Details:
Now we did detail the Skylake-U series lineup a few days ago but surprisingly, we have found two more chips that will be included in this lineup. The first chip whose name is “TBD”, comes in a dual core, multi threaded package that features clock speeds of 2.4 GHz (base), 3.4 GHz (boost) and has 4 MB of L3 cache. The second model with similar specs has different clock speeds of 2.0 GHz base and 3.1 GHz boost. Both of these models have two things in common, they feature the GT3e class iGPU and 15W TDP."

http://wccftech.com/intel-announces...-skylake-h-skylake-s-skylake-u/#ixzz3kWj3iIj3

15w seems low for a 13" mbp no? I mean I don't even know when these come out so it may not even make a difference for us consumers. If they come out in 2016 then there is no point in Apple using these versus the other GT3e. If these do come out in 2015 then Apple could use these for the 13" and they would use the Xeon and HQs for the 15". Maybe an October launch for the 13" and 15" rMBP is still possible?