That's 2 generations different so I'm sure something is a rye. Super small sample size thus far?
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They will be forgiven if they can pack the current performance in a smaller package. If you need more power than the rMBP 2015, then you are in the desktop segment and their sales number has been stable since forever. Building a faster computer than the current i7 offerings doesn't make sense. You are asking for a server by demanding more cores and more RAM. Give me battery time and a better screen.
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So you'd be willing to let the macrumors staff verify you right?
Found some preliminary FPS benchmarks for the 580 as well....
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/pcm8hm3/213078/pcm8hm3/164225
Obviously this is not a full 3dgpu benchmark, but compared to the R9 370x the 580 is about HALF the performance of the current gen dGPU in the MBP
Hopefully this will finally put to rest that Apple will be dropping a dGPU since people were claiming that the 580 would have better performance than the 370. This pretty much confirms that even though the 580 is pretty impressive, it will come no where near any dGPU parts (current gen), and any next gen dGPU parts will blow it out of the water.
There is no way in hell apple will introduce a new MBP that hasn't been updated in over a year, and only have a GPU part that is same or less performance than last gen MBP.
...at least I hope so, otherwise it will be the first time in 20+ years of owning macs i will consider jumping ship.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/pcm8hm3/213078/pcm8hm3/164225
Obviously this is not a full 3dgpu benchmark, but compared to the R9 370x the 580 is about HALF the performance of the current gen dGPU in the MBP
Hopefully this will finally put to rest that Apple will be dropping a dGPU since people were claiming that the 580 would have better performance than the 370. This pretty much confirms that even though the 580 is pretty impressive, it will come no where near any dGPU parts (current gen), and any next gen dGPU parts will blow it out of the water.
There is no way in hell apple will introduce a new MBP that hasn't been updated in over a year, and only have a GPU part that is same or less performance than last gen MBP.
...at least I hope so, otherwise it will be the first time in 20+ years of owning macs i will consider jumping ship.
Uh....
That's the desktop card... What are you expecting? That is comparing a desktop processor with a mobile processor... And an integrated mobile graphics solution with a desktop graphics card...
Yea I did the wrong comparison...the equivalent of the M370X is the HD 7750 (exact same GPU just desktop packaging).
This pulls an average of 70 FPS in the casual gaming benchmark...so still stands that the 580 has way less performance than the current M370X in the MBP.
http://www.3dmark.com/pcm8hme/21074
This pulls an average of 70 FPS in the casual gaming benchmark...so still stands that the 580 has way less performance than the current M370X in the MBP.
http://www.3dmark.com/pcm8hme/21074
Nobody said will be faster, but close enough for apple thinking about ditching the dgpu, but yet again this is the new igpu that should be compared with the upcoming polaris mid range dgpu
The whole discussion a couple hundred pages back was that it would be faster or just as fast as the current dGPU...which was the whole bases of the "Apple will drop dGPU" argument. I was arguing that there is no way that an iGPU with shared memory will come close to the M370X performance, which is proved right.
So it stands that its almost impossible apple can market a new 15" MBP with no dGPU unless its planning on shooting itself in the foot.
Also, there is no comparison between the 580 and polaris dGPUs...they will have at least a 3x advantage over the 580 if these preliminary benchmarks hold up.
Oh dear god. Apple couldn't give two ***** about graphics benchmarks (have you seen their offerings?!). The only thing they care about is OPEN CL, the very reason why all macs have been moved to Radeon GPUs. They went with AMD dGPUs since Nvidia was pushing its CUDA API. Iris 580 is rated at 1.152 TFLOPs whilst the M370X at 992 Gflops. Iris pro 5200 is more than adequate for Final Cut Pro (go see reviews, even beating the dGPU models in some tests), Iris Pro 580 even more so. Again they care about COMPUTE, not graphics. If they drop the GPU,which I still think they will given the lack of appropriate chips and nothing official from AMD concerning mobile polaris on June, they will do it to shave thickness and decrease logic board area substantially like they did with the rMB. People forget that it's not only the dGPU chip which takes space (which is relatively gigantic), there are GDDR5 chips to solder too. HBM equipped mobile dGPUs would have solved this problem.
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Hang on. Let's wait until some proper benchmarks come out, then let's see. You are jumping the gun here.
Before I say anything I'd just like to say that neither do I trust Serban nor do I distrust him? I really am neutral.
However, I doubt that Apple would in the testing stage for their MacBook Pros. That are meant to be unveiled in 1 month, and on sale in 2 months. At this point, if WWDC is a sure for nMBP, they're probably working on marketing material (e.g. videos, images)and surely have locked in design and specs. They're probably being produced in FOXCONN factories as we speak.
I highly doubt they'd be testing battery, thermal regulation, display settings this late into the development cycle. And 3 prototypes at this time is just not a possibility. Perhaps Serban is testing a product meant to come in 2 or 4 years the next next rMBP refresh?...or maybe it's a different notebook line altogether.
However, I doubt that Apple would in the testing stage for their MacBook Pros. That are meant to be unveiled in 1 month, and on sale in 2 months. At this point, if WWDC is a sure for nMBP, they're probably working on marketing material (e.g. videos, images)and surely have locked in design and specs. They're probably being produced in FOXCONN factories as we speak.
I highly doubt they'd be testing battery, thermal regulation, display settings this late into the development cycle. And 3 prototypes at this time is just not a possibility. Perhaps Serban is testing a product meant to come in 2 or 4 years the next next rMBP refresh?...or maybe it's a different notebook line altogether.
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Think about it in terms of Apple preventing the leaks. Neither of the alleged three teams employees can say anything for sure because they do not know if their model is the chosen one.
And for company as big as Apple it would be quite cheap to maintain three small teams instead of one for several more months in order to prevent leaks.
I'm not trying to defend @Serban. I'm taking his words with a grain of salt as well.
But it still could be true.
Just read through that. I have read that before. There is a lot riding on this for apple esp. with the decline of their inflated stock and the markets response to that. If they don't recreate the cool factor and keep the people who spread the word about their computers happy chances are we will continue to see the decline. The Market right now is predicting a continuation of the decline so lets hope they are wrong.
There are many better options right now as someone who has always been a macbook pro / macbook user I must say I enjoy their mobile platforms a lot. However they are currently lacking and their Mac Pro system is a joke. My 5 year old Sandy Bridge E system blows their 6 core system out of the water when clocked properly which is sad as I find it somewhat sluggish for content creation today and looking to rebuild once Broadwell E hits, will probably go with a 2687w v4 at this point anyways.
To me, I am just disappointed like many people in that article I have convinced family, friends, and work to go Mac. Now most are switching to something else as power and scale is far greater then the stale cool factor.
I am hoping for something special since I can longer stand the retina Macbook or my Surface pro 4 (not a viable replacement for a full scale laptop for content creation in my opinion).
Based on what Serban stated, he's seen all 3 prototypes. So I get your point, but each team has seen all 3 prototypes at some point in time. Otherwise how would Serban know about one prototype having all USB C and another retaining some legacy ports. So I don't think Apple has 3 prototypes circulating to prevent leaks...if each team has seen all 3 of them.
Anyways regardless of what prototype releases, I just hope they update the previous design with Skylake processors as they did in 2012 - just in case I don't like the new one.
Any rumor on memory? Currently the maximum option is 16Gb, which I wish could be 32Gb for next rMBP. My development environment runs on lots of docker containers, requires tons of memory!
So in your case Skylake-C is always welcome.
#i7 5775C, overclockable with iris pro 6200...
That's Broadwell-C, not the Skylake-R's with Iris Pro 580 but suppose 5775C will work. I'll have use DDR3 RAM and a Z97 MB though...
Sure, what I mean is there will be potential of a 6775C w/ iris pro 580...
Z97? Alright, iris pro 6200 is already pretty beefy...
Just a passerby here but @Serban has mentioned that Apple already locked the design on their end and that is the reason why he's 99.9% sure the release is happening this time around..?
Not that I completely trust him though. I am too careful to trust anybody who gives me any type of hope on the internet
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