Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[Serban]

Very smart, but we will see at Wwdc.
And yes for somebody who asked, it was a quad core
And yes apple has to test these things since december, at least here in our dep because intels own qa reported a lot of issues with the heat with specifics cpu.

 

[Mattsasa]

I rarely post in these threads. I am a PC user for home use and always will be, the TL;DR is I can make a better PC workstation then the Mac Pro.

Anyways - I purchased a Macbook 2015 last year to use as a mobile editing station for photos when traveling. After a long trip of 2 weeks I really need something more powerful.

I hope they make a 14" with quad core and a 970M GTX as a min for content creation. Also reduction of weight would be really nice to about 3 lbs. Not sure what others are thinking.

There is no way they will put a 970 in their MacBook pro. And they shouldn't it would be a horrible decision.

I think an E GPU is a funny concept. I will always have a main rig at home and a travel rig. I realize that is not possible for some but is a good option for those.

I would never buy the Razer Blade Stealth with 2 cores and stick a EGPU with it.... that Titan X would be bottlenecked to hell.

Wrong. For gaming anyways. People buying eGPUs for gaming. And a dual core mobile cpu, plus a titan x is not a major bottleneck. I have tried it myself. With the alienware graphics amplifier. And will be doing it again, as soon as those Razer cores are available.

An i7 desktop CPU + Titan x plays games only a tiny bit better and sometimes not better at all, than a weak dualcore Mobile cpu + Titan x.

If you are playing games on a mac you should already have bootcamp going

I was playing XCOM in OSX for a while and decided to switch to the Windows version...holy **** what a performance increase

Agreed

Geekbench are in for 6770HQ

https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/search?q=i7-6770hq

compared to mid 2015 with almost same clock - rather disappointing

https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/search?dir=desc&q=mid+2015&sort=multicore_score

2015 - 3700 - 14000
2016 - 3700 - 13900

Granted, this is also Mac vs Windows and just 2 samples for the Skylake but still...

We are looking for gpu performance, that is what we have been waiting on.

i dont get it, what he is saying ?
[doublepost=1463169184][/doublepost]
yes 100% same event ! every unit was pulled by Apple until June, starting next week we get some new stuff, and its not iOS device for sure

Omg, I am just dying to know.

So you'd be willing to let the macrumors staff verify you right?

No stop, we do not want to call any attention to him. <3 serban

Found some preliminary FPS benchmarks for the 580 as well....

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/pcm8hm3/213078/pcm8hm3/164225

Obviously this is not a full 3dgpu benchmark, but compared to the R9 370x the 580 is about HALF the performance of the current gen dGPU in the MBP

Hopefully this will finally put to rest that Apple will be dropping a dGPU since people were claiming that the 580 would have better performance than the 370. This pretty much confirms that even though the 580 is pretty impressive, it will come no where near any dGPU parts (current gen), and any next gen dGPU parts will blow it out of the water.

There is no way in hell apple will introduce a new MBP that hasn't been updated in over a year, and only have a GPU part that is same or less performance than last gen MBP.

...at least I hope so, otherwise it will be the first time in 20+ years of owning macs i will consider jumping ship.

I question the validity of this, and this is not a very clear benchmarks, so many factors that could be skewing results.

Wait until we get proper GPU benchmarks of iris 580

Yea I did the wrong comparison...the equivalent of the M370X is the HD 7750 (exact same GPU just desktop packaging).

This pulls an average of 70 FPS in the casual gaming benchmark...so still stands that the 580 has way less performance than the current M370X in the MBP.

http://www.3dmark.com/pcm8hme/21074

These results are definitely misleading.
Iris 550 is faster than these results for 580.
Something is not right

The whole discussion a couple hundred pages back was that it would be faster or just as fast as the current dGPU...which was the whole bases of the "Apple will drop dGPU" argument. I was arguing that there is no way that an iGPU with shared memory will come close to the M370X performance, which is proved right.

So it stands that its almost impossible apple can market a new 15" MBP with no dGPU unless its planning on shooting itself in the foot.

Also, there is no comparison between the 580 and polaris dGPUs...they will have at least a 3x advantage over the 580 if these preliminary benchmarks hold up.

Your wrong, iris 580 pro will be faster than the current dgpu in the MacBook Pro.

Apple will be releasing a new MacBook Pro without a dgpu. And it is the correct choice to make.


Update: jsnuff's results and conclusions are innacurate. It's past midnight and I am graduating tomorrow. When I have time tomorrow I will organize and post my evidence.

 

[Wowereit]

Zero rumors one month before WWDC, that's not exactly a good sign as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Seed101]

Zero rumors one month before WWDC, that's not exactly a good sign as far as I'm concerned.

Getting deja-vu...all over again
£120 off Dell XPS in UK again...stay strong..

 

[Yuuta]

Iris pro 580

Performance is expected to be atleast on paar with 940MX which is in the Surface Book.

3DMark Firestrike graphics score: 1826 (about 1/2 that of a 750)

3DMark 11: Graphics score 3225 (about 66% of 750)

Compare to 945M:

Not too bad considering the driver is pretty new for the 580 and a total CPU/GPU TDP of 45w.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38223571&postcount=171

 

[Mattsasa]

Iris pro 580

Performance is expected to be atleast on paar with 940MX which is in the Surface Book.



http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38223571&postcount=171

Iris 550 is about on par with the 940MX

 

[Yuuta]

Iris 550 is about on par with the 940MX

The Iris pro 550's 3D mark 11 is only about 2585 on average, so i don't think that's true

 

[augustya]

So what is the rumour mill churning out the news is there gonna be a announcement made by Apple at the WWDC next month on the rMBP 15" Skylake Models ? I am more particularly interested in the rMBP 15"

 

[jsnuff1]

3DMark Firestrike graphics score: 1826 (about 1/2 that of a 750)

3DMark 11: Graphics score 3225 (about 66% of 750)

Well if those are true then the 580 has almost the same performance as the current M370x

http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu/AMD+Radeon+R9+M370X/review

I still wouldn't trade a polaris dGPU for a "thinner and lighter" MBP that has the same performance as a 1+ year old laptop. Hell, my current 2012 MBP with its 650M has a score of 2200 on 3DMark...that would only be a 1.5x speedup from a 4 year old laptop (and probably even less on the CPU side).

 

[Federico87]

Getting deja-vu...all over again
£120 off Dell XPS in UK again...stay strong..

So true...the XPS 13 is getting more and more attractive every day we spent without actual rumors.

Not to knock Serbian down, but I can't completely trust these "rumors", since they seem to me like speculations (and trolling maybe).

Many would say that the same happened with the new rMB, but that was a new product..we're talking about a refresh/upgrade here

 

[Brad9893]

Just because there are no rumors doesn't mean that Apple isn't getting ready to release a new MBP in a month. Remember, this isn't an iPhone where they produce 50-60 million a year. The chances of getting actual rumors for the Mac are always far, far lower. And we've had a "real" rumors anyways; it was even published by MacRumors. It stated that Apple was getting ready to launch new, thinner 13" and 15" MacBooks at WWDC.

We've all waited so long at this point...years even (as shown by how long this thread has been chugging along)! I don't see the point in throwing in the towel after all this time for a Dell XPS when we only have four weeks left. What if you buy the XPS right now and Apple releases fantastic new MBP's next month? It's not worth it IMO. However, if WWDC comes and goes with no word about the MBP? Or they release a new one and it stinks? Then I'd go ahead. This is just my perspective, of course. I'm determined to hold out until the end, whatever it may be.

 

[vatter69]

We are looking for gpu performance, that is what we have been waiting on.

While i agree that and am also most interested in the GPU performance bump, it's kind of disappointing to see a 2 year old CPU with 100 MHZ less outperform the just released pendant.

 

[Federico87]

Just because there are no rumors doesn't mean that Apple isn't getting ready to release a new MBP in a month. Remember, this isn't an iPhone where they produce 50-60 million a year. The chances of getting actual rumors for the Mac are always far, far lower. And we've had a "real" rumors anyways; it was even published by MacRumors. It stated that Apple was getting ready to launch new, thinner 13" and 15" MacBooks at WWDC.

We've all waited so long at this point...years even (as shown by how long this thread has been chugging along)! I don't see the point in throwing in the towel after all this time for a Dell XPS when we only have four weeks left. What if you buy the XPS right now and Apple releases fantastic new MBP's next month? It's not worth it IMO. However, if WWDC comes and goes with no word about the MBP? Or they release a new one and it stinks? Then I'd go ahead. This is just my perspective, of course. I'm determined to hold out until the end, whatever it may be.

You're talking about the XPS as it was a piece of garbage which anyway is more that can be said about something hypothetical and rumored.

That said, I never said I'm going to buy a XPS before the WWDC, but that if at WWDC we won't see nothing or nothing special (simple CPU upgrade, better SSD performances, etc..), the Dell machine would become a much more viable option..to me at least.

I'm a medium-long time mac owner (started w/ the MacBook black) but then years later, I found myself switching to much more affordable machine and now looking for a new entry point.
BUT, if they're going to release something their competitors can give me for a lower price...well it won't be an easy choice for me.
The only regret I might have is OSX, I personally love the OS and love a little bit less W10

 

[Seed101]

Just because there are no rumors doesn't mean that Apple isn't getting ready to release a new MBP in a month. Remember, this isn't an iPhone where they produce 50-60 million a year. The chances of getting actual rumors for the Mac are always far, far lower. And we've had a "real" rumors anyways; it was even published by MacRumors. It stated that Apple was getting ready to launch new, thinner 13" and 15" MacBooks at WWDC.

We've all waited so long at this point...years even (as shown by how long this thread has been chugging along)! I don't see the point in throwing in the towel after all this time for a Dell XPS when we only have four weeks left. What if you buy the XPS right now and Apple releases fantastic new MBP's next month? It's not worth it IMO. However, if WWDC comes and goes with no word about the MBP? Or they release a new one and it stinks? Then I'd go ahead. This is just my perspective, of course. I'm determined to hold out until the end, whatever it may be.

I agree...'we've come so far' etc...still, if they are announced at WWDC I'll weigh up the options/price re: getting the new rMBP or the XPS+iPad Pro!

I'm guessing the top end rMBP will be around £2.5k.

Having said that I'll probably end up forking out and just buy the rMBP...then a 'drawing device'...probably iPad Pro to keep it all Mac...but for the first time in ages, I'm actively considering the options instead of simply just 'buying a Mac'

 

[ShadovvMoon]

Isn't Serban the troll that appeared in the Mac Pro thread on page 80?

 

[Serban]

Maybe you don't know the definition of troll
[doublepost=1463220460][/doublepost]Or you are just rude

 

[Brad9893]

You're talking about the XPS as it was a piece of garbage which anyway is more that can be said about something hypothetical and rumored.

That said, I never said I'm going to buy a XPS before the WWDC, but that if at WWDC we won't see nothing or nothing special (simple CPU upgrade, better SSD performances, etc..), the Dell machine would become a much more viable option..to me at least.

I'm a medium-long time mac owner (started w/ the MacBook black) but then years later, I found myself switching to much more affordable machine and now looking for a new entry point.
BUT, if they're going to release something their competitors can give me for a lower price...well it won't be an easy choice for me.
The only regret I might have is OSX, I personally love the OS and love a little bit less W10

I must admit that I'm really not fond of the XPS, and I've always been extremely clear about it. I think it's extremely overrated. After reading about all of the problems that people had had with it on the Dell subreddit, I'd stay far away. There is coil whine, problems with the keyboards, problems that necessitate numerous BIOS updates, among lots of other things that I can't remember off of the top of my head. I'm also not impressed by the NostrilCam they added, either. It's a feature I can do without, and it drives my OCD crazy! I never ever even use webcams, but I could never ever buy that machine. There is just something about the XPS series that turns me completely off.

I know that you never said you were going to buy the XPS. I was just giving out my two cents.

 

[bfid111]

I must admit that I'm really not fond of the XPS, and I've always been extremely clear about it. I think it's extremely overrated. After reading about all of the problems that people had had with it on the Dell subreddit, I'd stay far away. There is coil whine, problems with the keyboards, problems that necessitate numerous BIOS updates, among lots of other things that I can't remember off of the top of my head. I'm also not impressed by the NostrilCam they added, either. It's a feature I can do without, and it drives my OCD crazy! I never ever even use webcams, but I could never ever buy that machine. There is just something about the XPS series that turns me completely off.

I know that you never said you were going to buy the XPS. I was just giving out my two cents.

Please.... no dell xps. Yes, it has a good overall design but the reviews make me cringe

 

[OSX7]

AMD Radeon 400 Series Mobility GPUs Confirmed – R9 M485X, R9 M470X and R9 M470 GPUs Rebranded GPUs Confirmed

So can we finally accept that the next rMBP will lack a dGPU. No mobile dGPU from either Nvidia (mobile pascal isn't coming anytime soon) or AMD suitable for a thinner rMBP has surfaced. I mean, unless they want to use Cape Verde (M470X, M370X) again, but Iris 580 would be faster in compute so.... I can totally see Apple removing the dGPU to shrink the logic board and reduce the cooling capacity making an overall thinner laptop. Sir Jonathan Ive will be pleased others not so much.

 

[ShadovvMoon]

Maybe you don't know the definition of troll
[doublepost=1463220460][/doublepost]Or you are just rude

Both are probably true, but I wasn't wrong.

So are you a woman?
I guess your standards are pretty low if you consider the gear s a woman thi g
[doublepost=1461782708][/doublepost]I bet you 10000$ and ask 100 women between a samsung gear s and that gold apple watch what they preffer to wear daily
[doublepost=1461782788][/doublepost]You have no orientation for fashion im sorry
[doublepost=1461782908][/doublepost]And something made of solid gold is 100% an luxury thing

In the same forum you also ask about what Apple is doing in regards to the Mac Pro/mini, which is strange if you claim to be an Apple employee working in a related section. A quick scan through your posts suggests that you are just as clueless as the rest of us are as to what Apple is going to release at WWDC.

Maybe I'm just paranoid though.

 

[Serban]

Both are probably true, but I wasn't wrong.


In the same forum you also ask about what Apple is doing in regards to the Mac Pro/mini, which is strange if you claim to be an Apple employee working in a related section. A quick scan through your posts suggests that you are just as clueless as the rest of us are as to what Apple is going to release at WWDC.

Maybe I'm just paranoid though.

When i was saying apple emplyee?? When i was saying that my team is working on a mac mini/pro?
Plz stop, an intelligent person should wait until the release and than make those statements
Because a solid gold 38mm watch is better looking and well build for a woman than that gear s that is just an electronical device makes me a troll?!? Ok now i know what kind of person you are. Have a nice day

 

[intelligence]

Tuning down my expectations for a new MBP for WWDC, it does not look good.
Probably more likely to be a fall release like early speculations figured. Damn it!

 

[koyoot]

AMD Radeon 400 Series Mobility GPUs Confirmed – R9 M485X, R9 M470X and R9 M470 GPUs Rebranded GPUs Confirmed

So can we finally accept that the next rMBP will lack a dGPU. No mobile dGPU from either Nvidia (mobile pascal isn't coming anytime soon) or AMD suitable for a thinner rMBP has surfaced. I mean, unless they want to use Cape Verde (M470X, M370X) again, but Iris 580 would be faster in compute so.... I can totally see Apple removing the dGPU to shrink the logic board and reduce the cooling capacity making an overall thinner laptop. Sir Jonathan Ive will be pleased others not so much.

Why would it lack? In AMD lineup there is complete lack of GPUs between M470X and M485X and above the last one GPU.
There will be Polaris GPUs released for mobile, soon.

 

[Serban]

Tuning down my expectations for a new MBP for WWDC, it does not look good.
Probably more likely to be a fall release like early speculations figured. Damn it!

Why? The only reason for a fall release is only if apple wants to ship mbp with dgpu

 

[OSX7]

Why would it lack? In AMD lineup there is complete lack of GPUs between M470X and M485X and above the last one GPU.
There will be Polaris GPUs released for mobile, soon.

Nah, expecting something higher than M470X would just be wishful thinking, but I think you already know this or at least suspect that's the case.