Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[freitz]

There is no way they will put a 970 in their MacBook pro. And they shouldn't it would be a horrible decision.



Wrong. For gaming anyways. People buying eGPUs for gaming. And a dual core mobile cpu, plus a titan x is not a major bottleneck. I have tried it myself. With the alienware graphics amplifier. And will be doing it again, as soon as those Razer cores are available.

An i7 desktop CPU + Titan x plays games only a tiny bit better and sometimes not better at all, than a weak dualcore Mobile cpu + Titan x.


Agreed


We are looking for gpu performance, that is what we have been waiting on.



Omg, I am just dying to know.




No stop, we do not want to call any attention to him. <3 serban



I question the validity of this, and this is not a very clear benchmarks, so many factors that could be skewing results.

Wait until we get proper GPU benchmarks of iris 580




These results are definitely misleading.
Iris 550 is faster than these results for 580.
Something is not right




Your wrong, iris 580 pro will be faster than the current dgpu in the MacBook Pro.

Apple will be releasing a new MacBook Pro without a dgpu. And it is the correct choice to make.


Update: jsnuff's results and conclusions are innacurate. It's past midnight and I am graduating tomorrow. When I have time tomorrow I will organize and post my evidence.

Damn that was a long message to quote and to lazy to try and weed out all the stuff.

TL;DR - that weak dual core will bottleneck that GPU. All I need to say and I know this for sure, a desktop i3 will bottleneck a titan. Not sure why you would question this just because you tested it and it gamed fine doesn't mean it would not perform better on a quad core...

Thats great they are releasing a macbook pro without dgpu, but the loss of power and the lack luster performance of the said chip someone posted in here means I will take my 3k to another company for a true portable workstation. Not a 3,000 dollar facebook machine. Not because the Iris gpu can't perform, It barely performs faster then the current gen. So new Gen, no speed/ performance bump on multi-core applications and no dgpu... I sure hope your wrong for the stake of apple stock.

Also there is nothing wrong with the 970M chip. Personally I just need the new Macbook pro to be able to perform on content creation. I couldn't give a rats ass about gaming performance on a macbook pro, that is what my monster machine at home is for. I need a portable workstation. With the less power hungry skylake chipset there is plenty of room for a 970m even in a newer slimmed down version that doesn't exist.

 

[jsnuff1]

Say the Polaris gpu is like 10% faster than 580.. At the very most.

Dropping the dgpu would make the laptop cheaper, and enable a smaller design, which we know Apple wants to do. And only use half as much power, during heavy load. Meaning twice the battery life (when at full load, probably rare this is actually happening) and more space in the laptop to put batteries.

The vast majority of MacBook pro buyers will not even benefit from that 10% or less increase.

So no rational company would build their MacBook pro. With a dgpu.

Don't get me wrong, I would be thrilled to see a dgpu in my new MacBook pro. But I just know what's really going to happen

A polaris dGPU would add at least a 2x increase over current 370x with the same tdp...thats a huge increase and not 10%.

The only way they can justify skipping it across the high end MBP would be to drop at least 500 bucks off the line...but then your left with a huge gap in power in the MBP lineup and would essentially be buying a 1+ year old laptop in terms of performance.

I don't see apple skipping out on their high margin expensive products, but of course with their current track record in the "pro" segment I wouldn't be surprised if they finally put the nail to the coffin.

 

[freitz]

A polaris dGPU would add at least a 2x increase over current 370x with the same tdp...thats a huge increase and not 10%.

The only way they can justify skipping it across the high end MBP would be to drop at least 500 bucks off the line...but then your left with a huge gap in power in the MBP lineup and would essentially be buying a 1+ year old laptop in terms of performance.

I don't see apple skipping out on their high margin expensive products, but of course with their current track record in the "pro" segment I wouldn't be surprised if they finally put the nail to the coffin.

I agree this will put the nail in the coffin. I really don't know if they would do it or not, but I know for sure if they do lots of pissed off people.

 

[vbedia]

Say the Polaris gpu is like 10% faster than 580.. At the very most.

Dropping the dgpu would make the laptop cheaper, and enable a smaller design, which we know Apple wants to do. And only use half as much power, during heavy load. Meaning twice the battery life (when at full load, probably rare this is actually happening) and more space in the laptop to put batteries.

The vast majority of MacBook pro buyers will not even benefit from that 10% or less increase.

So no rational company would build their MacBook pro. With a dgpu.

Don't get me wrong, I would be thrilled to see a dgpu in my new MacBook pro. But I just know what's really going to happen

Polaris 11 should be no match for Iris pro 580, let alone 10% faster, if the latest leak is to be true. The single precision floating point performance between these two is more than double. Only this alone makes me think the difference is gonna be more than a mere 10%.

Another question is whether Apple decides to implement it in the MacBook Pro. Personally I think they will. What would be kind of pointless is using a rebrand old 28nm dGPU along with the Iris Pro 580.

 

[dallegre]

I agree this will put the nail in the coffin. I really don't know if they would do it or not, but I know for sure if they do lots of pissed off people.

I think you're right on that. If there is pent up demand for the next release I don't think it is pent up demand for a slight performance bump from the current gen or something that is a couple mm thinner. It seems like many people here expect and want something between a MB and what I would consider a competitive MBP...more like a MB Plus or something. That would make a lot of sense, but there are also those of us who really want a higher end portable product from Apple.

Polaris 11 should be no match for Iris pro 580, let alone 10% faster, if the latest leak is to be true. The single precision floating point performance between these two is more than double. Only this alone makes me think the difference is gonna be more than a mere 10%.

Another question is whether Apple decides to implement it in the MacBook Pro. Personally I think they will. What would be kind of pointless is using a rebrand old 28nm dGPU along with the Iris Pro 580.

At times like these it would be really nice to see some sort of roadmap. I can almost predict what's going to happen:

1) Apple releases boring, slightly thinner MBP at WWDC (in Rose Gold, mind you!)
2) I go out and buy at $2000 Windows laptop
3) Apple releases MBP of my dreams in Q3 or Q4

 

[koyoot]

Polaris 11 should be no match for Iris pro 580, let alone 10% faster, if the latest leak is to be true. The single precision floating point performance between these two is more than double. Only this alone makes me think the difference is gonna be more than a mere 10%.

Another question is whether Apple decides to implement it in the MacBook Pro. Personally I think they will. What would be kind of pointless is using a rebrand old 28nm dGPU along with the Iris Pro 580.

There is no truth in rumor saying that Polaris 11 GPU will have 896 GCN cores and 2.5 TFLOPs of compute power.

AMD already launched GPU with that amount of cores, but it does not have 2.5 TFLOPs, and it is not based on Polaris.

 

[freitz]

I think you're right on that. If there is pent up demand for the next release I don't think it is pent up demand for a slight performance bump from the current gen or something that is a couple mm thinner. It seems like many people here expect and want something between a MB and what I would consider a competitive MBP...more like a MB Plus or something. That would make a lot of sense, but there are also those of us who really want a higher end portable product from Apple.


At times like these it would be really nice to see some sort of roadmap. I can almost predict what's going to happen:

1) Apple releases boring, slightly thinner MBP at WWDC
2) I go out and buy at $2000 Windows laptop
3) Apple releases MBP of my dreams in Q3 or Q4

True. A Macbook Plus might fit most peoples need but to be honest the M7 maxed out chip fills the need of a macbook plus. I do fine with photo editing its video that sucks, and content creation. I need a MBP workstation...

 

[killawat]

They could blow everyones minds and drop the price of the Mac Pro.

It'll be very hard for me to consider the top end MBP if the entry Mac Pro is the same price. Do I want to be chained to my desk....

 

[freitz]

They could blow everyones minds and drop the price of the Mac Pro.

It'll be very hard for me to consider the top end MBP if the entry Mac Pro is the same price. Do I want to be chained to my desk....

Honestly their biggest issue is their current Mac Pro offering is a joke... But that is for another thread.

 

[viper4011]

True. A Macbook Plus might fit most peoples need but to be honest the M7 maxed out chip fills the need of a macbook plus. I do fine with photo editing its video that sucks, and content creation. I need a MBP workstation...

Lots of people need workstations. Apple's always had pro and consumer laptops. The question is, how much of an improvement the pro will receive. Given the long gap, and that the last redesign (2012) was a significant performance bump, I'm hopeful.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

As much as I like the portability, I find most portable tasks I can do on my iPad. What I'd really want is a Mac Mini with a dGPU and a quad-core processor. You know, like it used to have before they "dumbed it down". Unfortunately my guess is just going to be a discontinuing of the Mac Mini altogether...

 

[Serban]

if they have a mac mini that can drive 4k displays @60hz i dont see why it should be discontinuing ?!
its clear they need to discontinue something in the mac line up is the macbook air and the classic pro and make their own 4k thunderbolt display

 

[vatter69]

This - dont forget the absolute necessary pricecut for the 12" Facebook Macbook so people dont cry too much about 1 Usb-c only.

if they have a mac mini that can drive 4k displays @60hz i dont see why it should be discontinuing ?!
its clear they need to discontinue something in the mac line up is the macbook air and the classic pro and make their own 4k thunderbolt display

 

[mjs402]

This - dont forget the absolute necessary pricecut for the 12" Facebook Macbook so people dont cry too much about 1 Usb-c only.

Facebook MacBook? Wow, really? Lol. It's a very capable machine. Where do your remarks come from?

http://barefeats.com/macbook2016e.html
http://barefeats.com/macbook2016.html

I can't wait for Apple to kill USB-A and get on with it. Apple killed the SuperDrive (DVD-Drive) and sold you an external SuperDrive while you weaned off. Apple is now selling adapters for USB-C to lightning and USB-C adapters which read "Connect your Mac with USB Type-C port to USB devices, HDMI devices and USB Type-C cables for charging." located on the side sticker of the box for the USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter.

 

[vatter69]

Slighty offtopic but

4-5k Thunderbolt display with TB3/USBc
Discontinue 11.6 Air and 13" classic MBP
MacMini and all iMacs go SSD only
MacPro with serious hardware and pricecut

Plus of course the Skylake upgrades of the 13/15 MBP

Anything less and Apple is loosing it imho.
[doublepost=1463256137][/doublepost]@mjs402 Ok Facebook Macbook is maybe a bit too much but for the (european) price of it i can almost buy 2 13" Airs. Thats simply wrong.

 

[mjs402]

Slighty offtopic but

4-5k Thunderbolt display with TB3/USBc
Discontinue 11.6 Air and 13" classic MBP
MacMini and all iMacs go SSD only
MacPro with serious hardware and pricecut

Plus of course the Skylake upgrades of the 13/15 MBP

Anything less and Apple is loosing it imho.
[doublepost=1463256137][/doublepost]@mjs402 Ok Facebook Macbook is maybe a bit too much but for the (european) price of it i can almost buy 2 13" Airs. Thats simply wrong.

Yeah, I won't argue the price of the thing is a bit high.. I don't know about Europe, but they are being a bit greedy here. They can afford to cut it $100-$150, but I don't know how they price things.

 

[vatter69]

Its 1449€ for the base and 1799 for the big one. You can get the Air for 899 if you're lucky.

 

[koyoot]

Polaris architecture launching at Computex.

 

[vatter69]

When does this take place?

 

[koyoot]

May 31 - June 4.

 

[Panos90]

How much do you predict the new rMBP with iGPU will cost?

 

[bfid111]

How much do you predict the new rMBP with iGPU will cost?

Probably $2000.

 

[mjs402]

How much do you predict the new rMBP with iGPU will cost?

More than a 12 inch MacBook but less than a current MacBook Pro 15 inch with dGPU maxed out.

Honestly, no idea. Most likely around the same price range. +/- $200 I would imagine, if Apple doesn't get too greedy.

 

[Aditya_S]

Since the 13 in doesn't use a dGPU anyways, can we expect the same price, or could it go up or down?

 

[freitz]

I sure hope they figure out how to put a dgpu and a quad core in 13".